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Do Long Range Models Carry Less Pax?

Airmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 368 posts, RR: 2
Posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 932 times:

Is it so that the "ER" and "LR" models carry less passengers than their normal counterparts, whats the seating capacity of the new 744ER and the 777-200ER and LR models?

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Donder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 924 times:

Difference between 772ER and 772LR is basically increased thrust for the 772LR.The LR also has wing-fences to improve take-off performance(a la 32X)but they will carry the same number of passengers(Boeing site shows about 5 pax less for the LR as flight lengths will be crazy so slightly bigger 1st+biz class seats.

TransSwede From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 993 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 919 times:

There is no difference in passenger capacity usually, although some cargo space may be sacrificed on ER conversions to make room for extra fuel.

ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 893 times:

While there's little/no difference in available seating area on IGW, LR, and A models.... you'll usually find that airlines will choose to offer fewer seats in the extended ranged aircraft for use in longhaul.

Ben88 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1093 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 864 times:

Actually, they often times have modified fuel tanks and rerated engines. The point of having an ER designation is to maintain (or increase) payload capabilities and increase range simultaneously.

ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 860 times:

Actually, they often times have modified fuel tanks and rerated engines. The point of having an ER designation is to maintain (or increase) payload capabilities and increase range simultaneously

I was speaking of seat number/arrangement, not payload in totality.

To get my point across... show me 3 or more airlines that actually fly a 772ER with 300 seats on scheduled trips more than 5000mi... and I'll show you a surprised face! Big grin

EK is the only one I can think of.

AA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13975 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 844 times:

What about an SP, they were shortened. I dont know if it was for range though.

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Donder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 839 times:

BAs non-ER 772s carry around 220 seats!Or did.

ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 798 times:

What about an SP, they were shortened. I dont know if it was for range though

The "S.P." stood for "special performance" and the 747SPs did have significantly long range for their time... however, like most shrink models, the 747SP was too proportionately heavy to be truly economical.

Airmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 368 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 750 times:

So it seems like PIA's plans to replace their eight 747s with 8 777 is flawed already.

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