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Do Long Range Models Carry Less Pax?  
User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 378 posts, RR: 1
Posted (11 years 9 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1438 times:

Is it so that the "ER" and "LR" models carry less passengers than their normal counterparts, whats the seating capacity of the new 744ER and the 777-200ER and LR models?


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User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (11 years 9 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1430 times:

Difference between 772ER and 772LR is basically increased thrust for the 772LR.The LR also has wing-fences to improve take-off performance(a la 32X)but they will carry the same number of passengers(Boeing site shows about 5 pax less for the LR as flight lengths will be crazy so slightly bigger 1st+biz class seats.

User currently offlineTransSwede From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1000 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 9 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1425 times:

There is no difference in passenger capacity usually, although some cargo space may be sacrificed on ER conversions to make room for extra fuel.

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 9 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1399 times:

While there's little/no difference in available seating area on IGW, LR, and A models.... you'll usually find that airlines will choose to offer fewer seats in the extended ranged aircraft for use in longhaul.

User currently offlineBen88 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1093 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (11 years 9 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1370 times:

Actually, they often times have modified fuel tanks and rerated engines. The point of having an ER designation is to maintain (or increase) payload capabilities and increase range simultaneously.

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 9 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1366 times:

Actually, they often times have modified fuel tanks and rerated engines. The point of having an ER designation is to maintain (or increase) payload capabilities and increase range simultaneously

I was speaking of seat number/arrangement, not payload in totality.

To get my point across... show me 3 or more airlines that actually fly a 772ER with 300 seats on scheduled trips more than 5000mi... and I'll show you a surprised face!  Big grin

EK is the only one I can think of.


User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (11 years 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1350 times:

What about an SP, they were shortened. I dont know if it was for range though.


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User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (11 years 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1345 times:

BAs non-ER 772s carry around 220 seats!Or did.

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 9 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1304 times:

What about an SP, they were shortened. I dont know if it was for range though

The "S.P." stood for "special performance" and the 747SPs did have significantly long range for their time... however, like most shrink models, the 747SP was too proportionately heavy to be truly economical.


User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 378 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1256 times:

So it seems like PIA's plans to replace their eight 747s with 8 777 is flawed already.


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