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Airbus-Indian Airlines Deal Finalised?  
User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 378 posts, RR: 1
Posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2499 times:

According to a news report Airbus Industrie and IC have finalised their deal for 43 aircraft at 2.2 Billion U.S Dollars, Boeing failed to convince IC to opt for their aircraft as the Airbus product was more economically suited to their needs. In another report some member states of EU are "very" angry with PIA for choosing Boeing over Airbus, apparently Airbus was also a more suitable type for PK.


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User currently offlineSabenapilot From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 2714 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2474 times:

If true that's good news for the world's leading aircraft manufacturer Airbus Industries once again!

As to PIA, Well Pakistan has to do something to make good their image in Washington....After all Pakistan is not a democracy, US flags are burned every day in the Streets of Islamabad and other cities in huge anti-American demonstrations, they supported the Taliban till the very end, etc. etc.

In this context PIA buying inferior Boeing planes iso Airbus is questionable but understandable. It isn't the first time something like this happened. (remember EL AL and the A330?)

Who said Airbus is built on government support?
If it wasn't for Washington's international domination, Boeing would hardly sell a single plane abroad....







User currently offlineIndianguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2467 times:

Without getting into the inferior/superior debate: IC choosing the Airbus has more to do with issues like fleet commonality etc. IC already operates an all Airbus fleet of 32+ A320's and 5-7 A300B4's and by all accounts are maha-pleased with them. So it makes better sense to go in for a mix of A319/320 and 321's since it brings fleet commonality benefits.

-Roy


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12480 posts, RR: 34
Reply 3, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2434 times:

Let's not get into this Boeing -v- Airbus thing; both make excellent aircraft and while both apply "diplomatic" pressure to acquire new aircraft, it also has advantages for the country/airline buying the aircraft.

As for India, now that IC has gone Airbus (and this assumes that the Indian civil service has finished going over it with a fine tooth comb), you can be pretty sure AI will go for the 777. After all, India wants to keep both sides happy. Notice also that the orders are pretty close in value; IC is spending about US$2.3B on A32Xs; 17 777s, including spares and training will cost . . . not far off that amount (about $2b, I'd say). That's also a lot of foreign currency and governments want to make sure they get as much as possible out of it, in terms of offsets, bilateral rights, trade and generally good political treatment.

"Nuclear tests aren't really so bad, George, eh?"

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User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2421 times:

Now that IC has gone Airbus (and this assumes that the Indian civil service has finished going over it with a fine tooth comb), you can be pretty sure AI will go for the 777

The AI board is meeting today to review the Technical Committee's reccomendations of Airbus 340-300 v Boeing 777-200ER and we should have an answer as to what the board's choice is by tomorrow. My understanding from sources is that there is likely to be a split order for 9 B777s and 8 A340s, but the final decision is up to the board.


User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2385 times:

Which routes is this AI order for?To replace the 742s and for expansion?Also,why not order just 1 type and if necessary have 2 different configurations?Or am I being too naive here?

User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 378 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2328 times:

Regarding the PIA case, the article stated its going to have adverse effects on Pakistan-EU trade, I feel PK should have ordered four 777 and four A340-300, or three 747-400 and five A340-300 to please both parties.


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User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2254 times:

-437B,

A mixed 340/777 order? Is that not counterproductive? Keep us posted.


User currently offlineAvObserver From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 2472 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2193 times:

Sabenapilot says:

"If true that's good news for the world's leading aircraft manufacturer Airbus Industries once again!"

This will be true only when Airbus has delivered more aircraft in a single year than Boeing and that hasn't happened yet. Airbus's order book was larger this year than Boeing but they haven't yet delivered more aircraft in an annum, though they undoubtedly soon will.

"As to PIA, Well Pakistan has to do something to make good their image in Washington....After all Pakistan is not a democracy, US flags are burned every day in the Streets of Islamabad and other cities in huge anti-American demonstrations, they supported the Taliban till the very end, etc. etc."

How would YOU know what PIA's motivations for selecting Boeing were? You're making an assertion based on nothing but your own gut feeling, a pretty flimsy basis for an argument.

"In this context PIA buying inferior Boeing planes iso Airbus is questionable but understandable. It isn't the first time something like this happened. (remember EL AL and the A330?)"

On what grounds do you consider Boeing's planes to be inferior? And again, how would you know? And quite frankly, if the U.S. pours billions into foreign aid for Israel, it's only right that we expect them to buy U.S. made products.

"Who said Airbus is built on government support?
If it wasn't for Washington's international domination, Boeing would hardly sell a single plane abroad.... "

Everyone KNOWS Airbus was built on government support, they'd be nowhere without it. Remember, they don't have to pay back their loans for the A380 project if it isn't profitable. If that isn't a sweetheart deal, I don't know what is. And Boeing was doing fine in international sales until recent years, when Airbus subsidized fire-sale prices were offered in competitions to grap market share. And it's also getting harder for Boeing to sell in Europe because of E.U. strongarm tactics, according to a U.S. congressional subcommittee investigating the decline of the U.S. aerospace industry. These tactics include noise regulations that unfairly target U.S. made aircraft, preferred landing rights for operators of Airbus aircraft, and creative financing for Airbus so that they can consistently undercut Boeing in price wars.








User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8018 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2179 times:

I'm not surprised that Indian Airlines will get more A320 Family planes. After all, the airline already IS flying a large number of them!

User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2114 times:

So what did the Board decide?
Or did they decide to create another board to ponder that decision?


User currently offlineTKMCE From India, joined May 2002, 841 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2106 times:

And what happened to poor Allaince Air's (IC subisdiairy) fleet renewal plans?
As far as I know they dont have any thing newert than 20 year old 737s and while the Patna crash was attributed to pilot error, "flying the world's oldest aircraft" while sounding good is not likely to help Alliance Air in any way.



User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2068 times:

The Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) of the Indian Government today passed an order to delay the fleet renewal plans for Air India and Indian Airlines while they set up a sub-committee to study the need for fleet renewal.

The sub-committee will appoint a technical committee who will work with the technical advisory committees from the two airlines to determine the exact needs for fleet renewal and report back to the sub-committee who will then report back to the Cabinet committee in time for the next committee meeting next month.



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