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User currently offlineVermeer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 447 posts, RR: 4
Posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1989 times:

I spoke with my travel agent in Italy and she told me that starting tomorrow BA will offer one way concorde from or to Italy and the other way club world for about 2100 Euro.

Bookings can start from March Jan 15 to March 15 and there are other restrictions. Booking class is D and - needless to say - I have shelled out the money and I am flying the big slender bird from LHR to JFK on March 4.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



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User currently offlineDesert_dweller From Canada, joined Apr 2002, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1878 times:

Are u sure? I doubt it... Remember why concorde only flies over the atlantic?sound barrier... And why would BA do that? It is too costly for them for such a short distance.

User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3175 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1871 times:

Obviously the LHR-Italy will be subsonic.

But what confuses me if the booking class. D = discount business.



14 year airliners.net vet! 2000-2013
User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1833 times:

Is this a charter? If this is true (I doubt it), any idea of other routes they might add in the future for Concorde?


"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1825 times:

any idea of other routes they might add in the future for Concorde

Concorde isnt going to fly any other [scheduled] routes besides CDG/LHR-JFK.... especially since AF now has 2 fewer than its original fleet of seven and BA has lost 1 as well.

Probably will be quite a few charters... ALS plans to resume their CDG-CDG dinner flights so I hear. Rex Travel also plans to resume their incredibly expensive [and equally famous] Concorde 'round-the-world trips as well... but to my knowledge have not gotten permission nor an aircraft with which to do so.


User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 5, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1820 times:

ConcordeBoy, thanks a lot for that info! Great to hear that they are getting back into the charters. I would love to see Concorde in Toronto again. I understand that it was a popular service when offered.


"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineBellerophon From United Kingdom, joined May 2002, 583 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1795 times:

Concordeboy

...BA has lost 1 as well...

Which one would that be?

..Concorde isnt going to fly any other [scheduled] routes besides CDG/LHR-JFK..

I was sure that I flew it on a scheduled flight to Barbados recently. Must have been mistaken!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Regards

Bellerophon


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks ago) and read 1766 times:

Bellerophon,

I wish I was mistaken, but I'm not  Sad

Sadly, Concorde "Alpha Alpha" (registration G-BOAA) will not be modified to return to flight. It was the oldest Concorde in BA's current fleet and suffered severe corrosion after the withdrawal of the fleet's CoA in August of 2001. The aircraft will be used for parts to further extend the life of BA's remaining Concordes, just as F-BVFD was for Air France's. RIP  Sad


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks ago) and read 1766 times:

I was sure that I flew it on a scheduled flight to Barbados recently. Must have been mistaken

Silly me, how could I have forgotten Barbados. Yes, LHR-BGI is flown (heavily payload restricted... also, only 80 pax) seasonally on a scheduled basis as well.


User currently offlineBellerophon From United Kingdom, joined May 2002, 583 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1625 times:

ConcordeBoy

No final decision has yet been taken about the future of G-BOAA.

So when you say that ...BA has lost 1 as well... and ...Sadly, Concorde "Alpha Alpha"...will not be modified to return to flight... this is not an established fact, but only your opinion.

Of course, in time, your prediction could well prove to be correct, but I would respectfully suggest that we should all be careful not to post opinions as if they were facts.

If it does happen that G-BOAA is not returned to service, like you, I shall be very sad.

If I may correct two other errors in your posts.

G-BOAA is not the oldest Concorde in the BA fleet, G-BOAC is the oldest.

Concorde's C of A was not withdrawn in 2001, it was withdrawn on 16 August 2000.

As for charter flights, there are no plans, at present, for BA to operate any - although we hope they may resume in the future - so I would assume that any Concorde charter flights currently being planned must be with Air France.

Regards

Bellerophon


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1604 times:

Concorde's C of A was not withdrawn in 2001, it was withdrawn on 16 August 2000

Typo, my bad  Laugh out loud


G-BOAA is not the oldest Concorde in the BA fleet, G-BOAC is the oldest

Here, I must respectfully disagree. G-BOAC had an earlier maiden flight than G-BOAA (due to the latter's ground testing at Filton) but it's not an older aircraft nor has it been owned by BA longer.

G-BOAA
STRUCTURAL COMPLETION: March 3, 1974
MAIDEN FLIGHT: November 5, 1975
DELIVERY TO BRITISH AIRWAYS: January 14, 1976
TOTAL HOURS FLOWN: 22,768 flight hours (combination BA/Braniff) at date of last flight-- August 12, 2000.

G-BOAC
STRUCTURAL COMPLETION: April 3, 1974
MAIDEN FLIGHT: February 27, 1975
DELIVERY TO BRITISH AIRWAYS: February 13, 1976
TOTAL HOURS FLOWN: 21,531 flight hours (combination BA/Braniff) at date of April 2001.*

*the latest info I have on the aircraft


User currently offlineVermeer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 447 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1586 times:

sorry everybody if I posted a language-challenged message...

what I meant is that there is this offer valid for passengers ORIGINATING from Italy.
Concorde will NOT fly between Italy and USA. The routing is through regular LHR and the only concorde leg is the 001/002 LHR-JFK and return!!!

so NO charterd flight, it is just a promotional offer for the regular flights and probably to boost up a sluggish season...


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13218 posts, RR: 77
Reply 12, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1531 times:

I t is unlikely at present that G-BOAA will reenter service, it has not suffered extensive corrosion and Engineering have been told not to do anything 'terminal' to OAA, (what do they think we'll do- saw a wing off for the fun of it?)


User currently offlineBellerophon From United Kingdom, joined May 2002, 583 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1529 times:

ConcordeBoy

Sorry, but I remain unconvinced, and we may have to agree to differ.

G-BOAC was started first, had the earlier production number, #204, and first flew on 27 Feb 1975.

G-BOAA was started second, had a later production number, #206, and first flew on 05 Nov 1975, nearly nine months later than G-BOAC.

As for quoting the structural completion dates, with respect, even if they are accurate, I think they are fairly meaningless, as traditionally the maiden flight date is used as an aircraft's birthdate!

The reason I suggest that the structural completion dates may not be accurate is that the dates you quote are actually the registration dates of the aircraft concerned. Not the same thing, and I would doubt that the aircraft were registered on exactly the same day they were completed.

If you obtained your figures from http://www.concordesst.com , Gordon Roxburgh's excellent website about Concorde, I wonder if you missed the following comment regarding the fleet ages?

If I may quote: ...As G-BOAC is the oldest Concorde in the BA fleet...

What's the expression in the USA? Close, but no cigar! Big grin

Seriously though, it's great to see such interest in Concorde coming from fans in the USA. Long may it continue.

Best wishes

Bellerophon


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