Vermeer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 447 posts, RR: 5 Posted (10 years 10 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1711 times:
I spoke with my travel agent in Italy and she told me that starting tomorrow BA will offer one way concorde from or to Italy and the other way club world for about 2100 Euro.
Bookings can start from March Jan 15 to March 15 and there are other restrictions. Booking class is D and - needless to say - I have shelled out the money and I am flying the big slender bird from LHR to JFK on March 4.
ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1547 times:
any idea of other routes they might add in the future for Concorde
Concorde isnt going to fly any other [scheduled] routes besides CDG/LHR-JFK.... especially since AF now has 2 fewer than its original fleet of seven and BA has lost 1 as well.
Probably will be quite a few charters... ALS plans to resume their CDG-CDG dinner flights so I hear. Rex Travel also plans to resume their incredibly expensive [and equally famous] Concorde 'round-the-world trips as well... but to my knowledge have not gotten permission nor an aircraft with which to do so.
Captaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 56 Reply 5, posted (10 years 10 months 4 weeks ago) and read 1542 times:
ConcordeBoy, thanks a lot for that info! Great to hear that they are getting back into the charters. I would love to see Concorde in Toronto again. I understand that it was a popular service when offered.
"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1488 times:
I wish I was mistaken, but I'm not
Sadly, Concorde "Alpha Alpha" (registration G-BOAA) will not be modified to return to flight. It was the oldest Concorde in BA's current fleet and suffered severe corrosion after the withdrawal of the fleet's CoA in August of 2001. The aircraft will be used for parts to further extend the life of BA's remaining Concordes, just as F-BVFD was for Air France's. RIP
Bellerophon From United Kingdom, joined May 2002, 581 posts, RR: 59 Reply 9, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1347 times:
No final decision has yet been taken about the future of G-BOAA.
So when you say that ...BA has lost 1 as well... and ...Sadly, Concorde "Alpha Alpha"...will not be modified to return to flight... this is not an established fact, but only your opinion.
Of course, in time, your prediction could well prove to be correct, but I would respectfully suggest that we should all be careful not to post opinions as if they were facts.
If it does happen that G-BOAA is not returned to service, like you, I shall be very sad.
If I may correct two other errors in your posts.
G-BOAA is not the oldest Concorde in the BA fleet, G-BOAC is the oldest.
Concorde's C of A was not withdrawn in 2001, it was withdrawn on 16 August 2000.
As for charter flights, there are no plans, at present, for BA to operate any - although we hope they may resume in the future - so I would assume that any Concorde charter flights currently being planned must be with Air France.
ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1326 times:
Concorde's C of A was not withdrawn in 2001, it was withdrawn on 16 August 2000
Typo, my bad
G-BOAA is not the oldest Concorde in the BA fleet, G-BOAC is the oldest
Here, I must respectfully disagree. G-BOAC had an earlier maiden flight than G-BOAA (due to the latter's ground testing at Filton) but it's not an older aircraft nor has it been owned by BA longer.
STRUCTURAL COMPLETION: March 3, 1974
MAIDEN FLIGHT: November 5, 1975
DELIVERY TO BRITISH AIRWAYS: January 14, 1976
TOTAL HOURS FLOWN: 22,768 flight hours (combination BA/Braniff) at date of last flight-- August 12, 2000.
STRUCTURAL COMPLETION: April 3, 1974
MAIDEN FLIGHT: February 27, 1975
DELIVERY TO BRITISH AIRWAYS: February 13, 1976
TOTAL HOURS FLOWN: 21,531 flight hours (combination BA/Braniff) at date of April 2001.*
Vermeer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 447 posts, RR: 5 Reply 11, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1308 times:
sorry everybody if I posted a language-challenged message...
what I meant is that there is this offer valid for passengers ORIGINATING from Italy.
Concorde will NOT fly between Italy and USA. The routing is through regular LHR and the only concorde leg is the 001/002 LHR-JFK and return!!!
so NO charterd flight, it is just a promotional offer for the regular flights and probably to boost up a sluggish season...
GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 12948 posts, RR: 79 Reply 12, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1253 times:
I t is unlikely at present that G-BOAA will reenter service, it has not suffered extensive corrosion and Engineering have been told not to do anything 'terminal' to OAA, (what do they think we'll do- saw a wing off for the fun of it?)
Bellerophon From United Kingdom, joined May 2002, 581 posts, RR: 59 Reply 13, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1251 times:
Sorry, but I remain unconvinced, and we may have to agree to differ.
G-BOAC was started first, had the earlier production number, #204, and first flew on 27 Feb 1975.
G-BOAA was started second, had a later production number, #206, and first flew on 05 Nov 1975, nearly nine months later than G-BOAC.
As for quoting the structural completion dates, with respect, even if they are accurate, I think they are fairly meaningless, as traditionally the maiden flight date is used as an aircraft's birthdate!
The reason I suggest that the structural completion dates may not be accurate is that the dates you quote are actually the registration dates of the aircraft concerned. Not the same thing, and I would doubt that the aircraft were registered on exactly the same day they were completed.
If you obtained your figures from http://www.concordesst.com , Gordon Roxburgh's excellent website about Concorde, I wonder if you missed the following comment regarding the fleet ages?
If I may quote: ...As G-BOAC is the oldest Concorde in the BA fleet...
What's the expression in the USA? Close, but no cigar!
Seriously though, it's great to see such interest in Concorde coming from fans in the USA. Long may it continue.