Mr Spaceman From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 2782 posts, RR: 15 Posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1681 times:
Hi guys.
I've been spending more time reading your posts in this forum lately (90% of the time I'm in the Tech forum), and I very impressed by the info being shared and learned. I also didn't realize how fast this forum moves....holly smokes!!!
Anyways, I've noticed that there's a good handful of members from Toronto and the surrounding areas in this forum, so the following questions have a great chance at being answered.
I have a new ICOM-R2 receiver that I've been listening to for the last month and a bit.
For the life of me, I can't figure out who's using these 3 call signs when they check in with Toronto's arrival controllers. They're not airlines on the GTAA's arrival schedule.
The call signs are...."Georgian" (or Georgia), "Sky Tours", and "Air Shuttle". I've even heard "Speedbird" a few times.
Any info about what airlines are using these call signs would be greatly appreciated.
Haveric From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1247 posts, RR: 5 Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1654 times:
Here is a pic of a 747 British Airways and flying over saudi arabia, and if u look closely to the caption u will read: "Wing View- From 'Speedbird 012' SIN-LHR"... I know someone already told u that speedbird is BA, but i just wanted to verify that with a picture.
Mr Spaceman From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 2782 posts, RR: 15 Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1599 times:
Hi guys.
Thanks for that information.
I had a feeling that Skytour was actually Skyservice because of how many flights they have in and out of Toronto and I was never hearing the word Skyservice, but, when I did hear a pilot use the word "Skyservice" yesterday, it made me wonder what the deal was.
I'm happy to know that Air Shuttle is USAirways Express and not a small operation that's flying C-208 Caravans or King Air's, etc, around Ontario.
Speedbird as a callsign is really cool sounding for any airliner. Now I know it's for British Airways.
Georgian, however, has got me stumped. The Greater Toronto Airport Authority's (GTAA) arrival schedule doesn't have one Air Georgian flight listed, and I hear a lot of them checking in with Toronto's ATC. Can someone tell me what type of aircraft they are flying. There's no photos of this airline in A.Net's database either, but, they're out there.
Desert_dweller From Canada, joined Apr 2002, 92 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1588 times:
Hey finally! I found out what the callsign georgian is for... It belongs to an Air Alliance, Beech 1900D.... The caption of the photo below reads "C-GZGA Taxying for morning takeoff rwy #17. Callsign 'Georgian'."
NorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2829 posts, RR: 40 Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1590 times:
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this should clear up Georgian for you:
B1900Ds, Air Canada-ish Colors, Air Alliance on the side Georgian operates as Air Alliance out of YYZ, thats why they arent listed... depending on where you're looking they will be listed as Air Alliance, Jazz or Air Canada (Air Canada Regional/Connection sometimes even, mostly on sites that havent been updated in a while or that have been mis-translated for whatever reason...).
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Slawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 10 Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1583 times:
Chris Air Georgian is the tier three carrier for Air Canada, their flights operate on behalf of Air Canada. The packing order in Air Canada Mainline, the Air Canada spin offs, Air Canada Jazz, and finaly Air Georgian. They will not be listed on tht GTAA site as Air Georgian. Their aircraft fly for AC under the Air Alliance banner....
"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
Slawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 10 Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1560 times:
OOOPs that should have read "pecking" order.
Aviationman, I think C3 still takes the SkyCircus award of the century Around here we call Skyservice Sky Hoores...(No offence to roots girl of course, or any SSV employee) Just sounds like tours
"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
Mr Spaceman From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 2782 posts, RR: 15 Reply 14, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1566 times:
Hi guys.
Wow, like I mentioned in my origional post....this forum is fast!!!
Thanks a lot for clearing up the callsign "Georgian" for me. Air Alliance's Beech 1900s are always flying over my home along with the rest of the gang. Now I know it's one of them when I hear the word "Georgian" over my receiver.
>NorthStarDC4M, you're correct about how the GTAA's arrival & departure schedule does not have Jazz or Air Alliance's flights listed under their own name. They are all listed under Air Canada, as you mentioned. I'll be able to differentiate between them though, because I've been making my own list of FLT numbers, and can tell when an Air Canada FLT on the GTAA's schedule is actually a Jazz (and now an Air Alliance).
Thanks to the link posted by FlyingTexan, I figured out who the heck is checking in with Toronto's ATC by using the callsign "Piedmont". It's US Airways Express's Dash-8s. I'm not sure if their ERJ-145 regional jets fly under the same callsign, but, the photo below proves that their Dash-8s do.
Slawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 10 Reply 15, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1553 times:
LY744 yes you are right Georgian has a couple of Cessna Caravans, and an B1900C that they use to fly mail/cargo around Ontario and the surrounding area, They also charter their a/c out from time to time when they are not being used for the Air Alliance operation. I heard last year that they may split the company in two and make the Alliance division a subsidiary, but so far that has not happened.
"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
FlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1549 times:
Mister Spaceman –
You are most welcome for the link. I always appreciate when other a.net users post links of interest and now that I am a user; I like to reciprocate the favor.
Some of the more unique call signs you hear in US and North American airspace are ‘Citrus’ for AirTran and ‘Jet Link’ for ExpressJet (COEX). The most recent iteration of National had the call sign ‘Red Rock.’
Clickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9463 posts, RR: 72 Reply 17, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1539 times:
Mr Spaceman From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 2782 posts, RR: 15 Reply 19, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 1474 times:
Hi guys.
I find the photo above of the Cessna 208 Caravan that LY744 posted very interesting.
The paint scheme on those 208s (which I see flying into YYZ and Buttonvile Municipal Airport -YKZ), is almost identical to the livery of long gone Canadian Airlines, accept that the dark blue is on the opposite part of the fuselage (Top vs Bottom).
Even the tails of the C-208 and Canadian's airliners have the same 5 silver stripes.
Question: Did Canadian Airlines once own these C-208s, and Georgian simply kept the colour scheme?
LY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 11 Reply 20, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 1465 times:
The CP-like livery is clearly no coincidence, and is visible on the vast majority of the Air Georgian a/c I see (cargo C208's and B1900's). I would imagine they were somewhat a part of the CP family, kinda like AC Jazz is to Air Canada.
Mr Spaceman From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 2782 posts, RR: 15 Reply 21, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 1483 times:
Hi there LY744.
Yes sir, I agree.
When you look below at the tail of the Beech 1900D, which is at Buttonville, you see it's identical to the tail of that Canadian DC-10. Even the blue paint is on the belly of the 1900D. So I believe they must have been connected.
Now this Georgian Beech 1900D is painted in it's new Air Alliance colours (but still uses Georgian for it's callsign...as you guys taught me yesterday).
Slawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 10 Reply 22, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 1456 times:
Before Georgian became Air Canada's Teir three operation they operated as Ontario Regional, on behalf of Canadian. They moved over to Air Canada just before the AC/CP merger. They adopted a CP-like scheme when they were still a Canadi>n Tier three operator.
"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
Buckfifty From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 1314 posts, RR: 21 Reply 23, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 1460 times:
I designed that Air Alliance tail during my past career, as Air Georgian used to be under the Canadian Regional brand. But they got rebranded as Air Alliance after CP got absorbed by AC. In fact, when the rebranding took place, there was already another Air Alliance in existence (out over in Quebec/Eastern Canada), though also under the AC regional banner. However, it's all academic now.
The first a/c that I went to see that got rolled out of the paintshop had a slight problem though. The 'Air Alliance' moniker on the port side fuselage was positioned incorrectly. And I designed the stripe around the maple leaf to be green (the common misconception is that the tail surface colour on all a/c aircraft is black, but it's actually dark green), not red. I only found out about the change when we went to do some official photographs of the a/c for the ad campaign. Doesn't really matter, it still is exciting when I went to Pearson to see the planes, knowing I had a hand in their creation.
The C-208's, incidentally, are used for cargo purposes mostly now. One of the things I heard they used them for is to ferry used checks from small towns banks across Ontario back to Pearson.
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The Greater Toronto Airport Authority's (GTAA) arrival schedule doesn't have one Air Georgian flight listed, and I hear a lot of them checking in with Toronto's ATC. Can someone tell me what type of aircraft they are flying. There's no photos of this airline in A.Net's database either, but, they're out there.
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