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UAL May Loose Some 777s Soon  
User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10654 posts, RR: 9
Posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4432 times:

To all who still think UAL wouldn´t part from their beloved 777s: The current "World Airline Fleets" issue mentions that some newer ones owned by Boeing Capital might be recovered by the manufacturer quite soon if UAL fails to fulfill its lease contracts under Chapter 11.

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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4256 times:

I'm still wondering why they havent offered some of their less-valuable 772As up for sale.... guess they're either paid for or no carrier is in the market.

User currently offlineThadocta From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 397 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4158 times:

Completely off-topic, but why is it that so many Yanks seem to confuse "loose" and "lose"? They have quite different meanings, and are certainly not interchangeable.

Dave


User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7991 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4099 times:

But how long ago was that article printed??? I'm sure that Boeing Capital has since the time the article was printed worked out better terms so the newer 777-200ER's will stay in UA's fleet, since the 772ER will become the backbone of UA's international operations in the future. Now, Boeing Capital buying back the older 777-200A's would make more sense since UA won't need such a large plane with much shorter range than the 772ER.

User currently offlinePicarus From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 299 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4109 times:

Na-

It's not quite that simple. Boeing can't simply "repo" aircraft under Chapter 11 proceedings. A petition has to be files with the Court; and that doesn't happen overnight.

Thadocta- Granted, we are a somewhat illiterate society, but not guilty of the charge in this case. Check out originator's profile.

Picarus


User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4087 times:

Continuing off topic, Na is from Germany! Maybe english isn't his first language. Overall though, his english is very strong, and probably better than your German, don't you think, docta?  Smile


"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineSpeedport From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4068 times:

You've missed the whole point.

The point is that United can not bank on cutting the lease rates on newer 777s by very much, like they are with older aircraft such as a 757, because newer 777s can easily be leased to other airlines, unlike older aircraft.

All the article was trying to point out is that United doesn't have much leverage in its renegotiation of newer 777 leases, and if they try by playing hard ball, Boeing could also play hard ball by pulling their planes.

It is knee jerk reactions like yours, which only want to see the worst happen to United, that gives the competition a bad name.


User currently offlineKaiTakFan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1588 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3811 times:

Dave, you see a spelling mistake and you assume it is an American? God how disgusting people can be with generalizations! That kind of attitude sure does no good to a great breed of people (aussies) on this planet.

User currently offlineMls515 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3076 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3777 times:



Loose and lose are easy ones to confuse. What I hate is when people confuse their, they're and there.

They're going over there to get their stuff........


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3762 times:

As far as loose and lose. I blame the spellchecker.


As far as airlines losing leased aircraft during bankrupcy. It can happen. GE did that to Markair with the 737's that they where leasing when the latter went bellyup in 1996.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineAAMD11 From UK - Wales, joined Nov 2001, 1059 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3532 times:

Can we please keep on topic here!

Placing a handful of 77A's cant be that hard, Air Algierie or whatever just got 2 Ex-BA -236's two aircraft which were, i beleieve number 10 or soemthing off the line, 1995 originals them -236's.

But as someone said, its the money that counts, if Boeing wants the ERs back to put with someone else then i'm sure they will do that.

A^A MD-11


User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3519 times:

Americans are not a race but a collection of races thus it is xenophobia not racism ,if anything at all.

UA could do with losing the non-ER versions IMO,if they have to lose some 772s,as they will help to eliminate a sub-type.However,I believe these are configured in the domestic lay-out so re-configuring some ER versions into this lay-out may off-set the saving made by reducing the sub-type.But do UA really need a domestic 777 fleet?Perhaps they could reconfigure some international 763s into domestics and then cut the 777 non-ERs?



User currently offlineRyanair From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3290 times:

Boeing will do all it can to keep UAL flying, if UAL want a discount Boeing will bend over backwards to help. Having UAL's fleet grounded and up for grabs would be a nightmare situtaion for Boeing, short term cheaper lease rates, even if that were to spread to other airlines (as it would probably to a degree) is a lessor evil.

User currently offlineUAL-Fan From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 374 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3257 times:

Unless Boeing is miffed about all of those A320's and A319's UAL is flying around in.

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 14, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3183 times:

60 777s is a pretty valuable order, and would cause ruin to the 777 line if they all suddenly became available.

I'd go so far to say that the 60 777s is probably worth a good fraction of what an order for 737-300s and -400s would have been, since that was all that was available when UA started ordering Airbus. I bet Boeing is perfectly happy with the business they got.

N


User currently offlineA330_DTW From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 371 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2941 times:

Thadocta,

Even more off-topic, English is a rather complex language which is why so many spelling and grammar mistakes are so frequently made.

For instance, the British penchant for placing the letter "u" in some rather strange places, such as in "colour", "flavour", "neighbour", etc.

"Our" is not pronounced as "er", so why throw that "u" in the middle of those words? Furthermore, "Lieutenant" has no "f" in it, and "settee" has two "t"s, so why is it pronounced as if there were none, i.e., "se'ee", where the " ' "is a glottal stop?

By the way, I've seen some Brits screw up "their", "there" and "they're" just as we "Yanks" do, as well as "your" and "you're".

Ah, I could go on and on [and on] but shan't.


User currently offlineAAMD11 From UK - Wales, joined Nov 2001, 1059 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2934 times:

It's OUR language, and so if we want to put a "U" in there, we can and we will!
 Wink/being sarcastic

Back on topic.
I do think it is in Boeings best interests to keep the 777s with United, they dont want the market to be flooded with used 777s that will damage the value of the new-builds, which are [apparantly] still in demand - they'd like to keep the production lines busy would they not?

A^A MD-11


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13517 posts, RR: 62
Reply 17, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2908 times:
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Ben-

It's OUR language, and so if we want to put a "U" in there, we can and we will!

But you're Canadian, according to your profile! What's up with that, eh?  Big grin







"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
User currently offlineAAMD11 From UK - Wales, joined Nov 2001, 1059 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2870 times:

NOPE!!
Sorry to dissapoint!
I'm a BRIT LIVING in Canada, in no way am i Canadian, only by residence.

Hope this clears things up
(I was born about 2miles from EMA in Castle Donnington, English all the way  Smile)

A^A MD-11


User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2856 times:

I hope you are just visiting because other wise you are a Canadian! (sorry to go off topic again) And it is Colour, not color, Flavour not flavor, neighbour, not neighbor  Smile


"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
User currently offlineMxCtrlr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2485 posts, RR: 35
Reply 20, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2744 times:

Since we are venturing WAY off topic here anyway, leave it to the Brits (and Canadian Brits as well) to put those pesky damn extra u's where they don't belong but remember folks, this is coming from the same people who cannot properly pronounce "aluminum"  Smile

MxCtrlr  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
Freight Dogs Anonymous - O.O.T.S.K.  Smokin cool



DAMN! This SUCKS! I just had to go to the next higher age bracket in my profile! :-(
User currently offlineFsuwxman From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 439 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2614 times:

I am 100% American, and I use the u's in the words, I think it looks better and have been doing it for years since back in middle school (+10 years). Yes, I did lose a few points in class for using them... but oh well, it looks cooler...  Nuts


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User currently offlineUal777contrail From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2561 times:

Wouldn't that be a kick, Boeing took back those 777er's and united went all airbus. a340's and all.

I wonder if Boeing is willing to loose the business?
It would be a lose fit for Boeing in the end.

just kidding.

ual 777 contrail


User currently offlineDynkrisolo From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1860 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2526 times:

Wow! People here are very imaginative. Firstly, Boeing Capital doesn't own all of UA's 777s, only the last few newly delivered ones in the past two years or so. Secondly, when the time comes that UA will need to ground all their 777s, it means UA would likely have to sell their trans-Atlantic and/or trans-Pacific ops. Then whoever that might pick up UA's international ops will likely pick up UA's 777s, just like UA picked up many of Pan Am's 747s when UA bought PA's LHR and trans-Pacific network. If UA collapses, the 777 in UA's fleet will likely be placed with other airlines much sooner than the other aircraft types in UA's fleet.

User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8894 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2428 times:

I wouldn't be surprised to see UA lose some 777s, even voluntarily. While they are new, getting rid of them could "cut some fat" off of overcapacitated routes.

And on the language front, I too, use the British spellings, even though I was born in NYC and have lived on the Eastern Seaboard my entire life. I just think that the majority of Americans have screwed another thing up, this being spelling.

Jeff


25 Post contains images AAMD11 : We may put u's in all our words.. but at least im not tempted to mis-spell QANTAS lol who ever heard of Quantas anyways??? morons A^A MD-11
26 CX747 : Isn't Boeing one of United's biggest creditors? If that is true, I don't think that they are going to be running to court to seize United's 777s. It i
27 Gigneil : Boeing is not UA's biggest creditor. Airbus is. Boeing wasn't even on the list of creditors for the Chapter 11 filing. I don't believe Boeing actually
28 Post contains images MxCtrlr : AAMD11, People mis-spell it Q-U-A-N-T-A-S because they are unaware that it is actually an acronym Q-A-N-T-A-S (Queensland And National Transport Air S
29 JBirdAV8r : I like the use of "s" in place of "z", myself, and I'm American. Specialisation, normalisation, capitalisation, etc. Almost sounds more sophisticated
30 ConcordeBoy : Queensland And National Transport Air System Actually, it's "Queensland And Northern Territories Aerial Service Ltd."
31 Post contains images MxCtrlr : ConcordeBoy, Thanks for the correction. As I stated, I wasn't too sure what it was but I was certain that it was an acronym. Thanks again. MxCtrlr Fre
32 Post contains images Dynkrisolo : ConcordeBoy was close, but it should be Aerial Services. He missed the plural part.
33 Cloudy : if/when they come out of Chap 11, future orders are for Boeings only? ---- If I remember correctly, exclusivity contracts are illegal now.I've got a v
34 ConcordeBoy : Airbus griped, and got them overturned No they didnt. Boeing agreed to release the airlines from contractual obligation as a prerequisite of taking ov
35 Cloudy : Thanks for the correction.
36 Gigneil : I was incorrect. Boeing Capital is a creditor. Its #20 of the top 20 creditors. Its claim is for about $2,000,000, and it's been disputed by United. A
37 Cloudy : Gigneil's data comes from the bankruptcy petition, I believe. This can be found at "the smoking gun". However, the picture is allot more complicated t
38 Post contains images JetTrader : "...this is to complicated a matter..." Erm...perhaps that should be "too complicated"...? Don't you just love it. Well you know what they say..."two
39 Bravo45 : I'm still wondering why they havent offered some of their less-valuable 772As up for sale.... guess they're either paid for or no carrier is in the ma
40 Dynkrisolo : Yes, PIA did consider to take three to five of UAL's recently delivered 772ERs. Those are the ones being financed by Boeing Capital. Boeing Capital ha
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