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Delta To Fly To HVN?  
User currently offlineLindy field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3131 posts, RR: 13
Posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2641 times:
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The campus newspaper today posted an article from the AP saying that the Tweed-New Haven Airport authority is negotiating with Delta to provide jet service from HVN to CVG. If all goes well, service could begin by summer.
New Haven, about an hour's drive south of BDL and an hour and a half from LGA or JFK, is currently served only by US Airways Express with four Dash-8 flights to PHL. United, United Express, and Continental Express served the airport until the mid-90s. United even flew in 737s in the 1980s. I'm sure that any new service to HVN would be with an RJ.

The airport is trying to expand despite opposition from East Haven NIMBYs. The FAA has approved expansion plans including a longer runway.

I'd previously heard that the airport was hoping for nonstop service to ATL.
Personally, I have my doubts that HVN-CVG could ever be a successful service, but maybe, given the absence of direct competition, it could work. Still, I imagine that many passengers will continue to fly from the larger airports in the region. Train connections from New Haven to Boston and New York are good, so Continental's code-share with Amtrak may be the most viable solution for airlines wanting to serve New Haven.

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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6733 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2596 times:

DL has had interest in HVN for many years. However, I had always believed that in order to get DL, HVN had to extend its runways. Anyone know if the ACA FRJ's can use HVN's runways?

I think HVN-CVG could work. There are plenty of people in the HVN area that would rather not drive to NYC or even BDL. If DL can offer some reasonable fares, they might do well. ATL-HVN seems to make more sense, but DL is trying to push more traffic through CVG, to improve the performance of the CVG hub.


User currently offlineBoeing757/767 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2594 times:

This might work with a CRJ, but with BDL so close -- with mailine jets on all flights -- I don't know if it would work. Would DL cannibalize some of its BDL traffic?


Free-thinking, left-leaning secularist
User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2571 times:

HVN-CVG could be served by an FRJ, its 641nm Great Circle. DL has been expanded a lot out of CVG lately (BGM, ERI, and a few others I forget), so I wouldn't be surprised to see HVN land on the list.

Jeff


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6733 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2567 times:

Here's a link to an article about the possible DL service:

http://www.tweednewhavenairport.com/airport_news.htm#sub1

Seems like Tweed is looking into a kind of travel bank to lure DL in.

I don't think adding service at HVN would necessarily cannibalize the BDL service. It might actually accentuate it and make DL more desirable to people who currently fly other airlines. For example, the guy who lives in HVN and drives to BDL so that he can fly BDL-ORD-DSM on AA. Now, he could skip the drive and just fly HVN-CVG-DSM on DL.


User currently offlineFrequentflier From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 422 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2512 times:

An addition of service at HVN would be a valuable addition to the city of New Haven. The trip from HVN to either BDL or NYC isn't exactly the quickest drive ever, and residents of Southern Connecticut would truly benefit from such a service.

User currently offlineLindy field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3131 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2394 times:
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I can vouch that the trip to BDL or JFK from New Haven is slow and expensive. It usually takes me two and a half to three hours to get to JFK via the Metro North trains and JFK shuttle bus from Grand Central. To Bradley, the shuttle buses run by Connecticut Limo are expensive, slow, and poorly driven. Furthermore, the Connecticut Limo terminal is located in the middle of nowhere.

I'd be very, very happy to have affordable air service from Tweed.


User currently offlineTheSilverBirds From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 92 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2336 times:

In that article, Lawrence DeNardis is the President of my University in New Haven. Ive known that he was a board member but there was no word of that news at all. I have visited Tweed a few times while at my school and it seemed dead. Even with the US airways Dash 8 service, were those flights filling up?? Bringing DL into Tweed is good thing. Its indirect competition between two airlines in a dead airport. I hope that Tweed starts doing well, bringing commerce into New Haven.

User currently offlineB764 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 758 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2315 times:

Interesting development. About a week or so ago, the major financier of US Airways (Retirement Group) was heading to Cuba on a trade mission for the State of Alabama. While there he's trying to lay the ground work for US Airways service to Cuba from CLT & PHL. Looks as maybe the govt. is going to ease some restrictions. Finally, maybe I can puff on a Cuban and not feel like a criminal!  Smokin cool

User currently offlineJohn From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1374 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2307 times:

UA was flying into HVN with 733/735 equipment up until about '98 or '99, I think. 4 flights a day, all to ORD. One of the flights were via HPN. It was sort of a test market for UA, because the service only lasted about 2 years from what I recall, if that long. It seems Southern CT residents weren't fully supporting the service, obviously, so UA pulled the plug. BTW, the single runway at HVN is quite short, only 5,600 feet.

User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2308 times:

Does Delta fly to HEL? Helsinki

You know the old saying, to get to Heaven or Hell, you have to change planes in Atlanta.


User currently offlineGoboeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2727 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2295 times:

I flew to KHVN on my long solo cross country flight last month! I think the terminal had only 1 gate, maybe 2 but no more than that. Seems like they'd need to expand that a little.

Nick


User currently offlineAfitch7881 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 816 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2204 times:

UA hasnt been in HVN since the early 90's. 91 or 92 was the year I believe. They came in to New Haven when they were trying to fly to all 50 states I believe. HVN has a small terminal with 1 Airbridge.



Eric


User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 13, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2176 times:

I really want someone to restart service to Bridgeport (BDR), and I think if advertised correctly (all throughout Fairfield Cty.) it would have a good shot at surviving. I believe US stopped flying 1900Ds in there in late 1999 from PHL and BWI (I remember flying ATL-PHL-BDR-BWI-CLT-ATL in 1999). There was also a time when 340s from BEX were flown to JFK and BOS. The only drawback is that the terminal is, excuse my language, a total dump...and basically a GA terminal. The airport is very convienient, especially for travelers in Westport, Fairfield, Stratford, Easton, and Weston--all very exclusive communities for the most part...this is especially true during rush hour, travelers would be going against the flow of traffic on 95 and the Merritt. Getting to HPN from Connecticut can be a big hassle during rush hour, especially during foul weather conditions.

I think that if Comair could perhaps pull off 14-18 weekly flights to CVG (with very few flights on weekends), and I think ASA might even have a better shot to ATL.

I really feel that if advertised well (the advertising is the key), BDR could have successful service...

I'm just throwing this idea against the wall...



America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16908 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2170 times:

CO used to fly into New Haven, Bridgeport, and New London from EWR with ATRs and EM2s.


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User currently offlineTcttx From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2098 times:

In the 80s, Air Wisc flew codeshare flights for UA on BAE146's to both HVN and BDR from ORD.



User currently offlineFrequentflier From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 422 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2090 times:

BDR as a commercial airport won't work

I live in Fairfield County, about halfway between BDR and HPN, an hour from NYC, and the people who live in those towns that Jcs17 mentioned would not use BDR over the New York airports. Service to BDR would obviously be with a very small aircraft to a hub airport, and it's not worth it to connect in PHL (as with US Air Express) when you can just fly nonstop from New York.

HVN would work because of A. business traffic to New Haven and B. other pax who don't have the time to drive the hour and a half or more to either NY or Hartford. BDR is just in an awkward spot for that kind of traffic.


User currently offlineBURules From United States of America, joined May 2000, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2066 times:

To echo Lindy, the worst part of my four years in HVN was getting to campus from JFK/LGA/EWR/BDL/PVD -- whichever one I ended up flying into.

Can't tell you how many times I sat in baggage claim at JFK waiting for CT Limo so that I could then stop in Stamford, Norwalk, Bridgeport and Milford on my way to the Have, all while crammed in the back of a van.

I know for a fact that UA was flying 73's from ORD as late as 1995. They stopped service in early 1996, I believe. The one drawback was a full 737 overwhelmed the baggage staff at Tweed.

I'd have to think that one-stop connections through CVG on an RJ would be viable, especially during the peak travel times. Lord knows I would have done everything go via that route.

Now if we could just get SkyWest to come back to BUR.


User currently offlineCPRjet From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2055 times:

I live in the area, and I recall flying the UA 735 service several times beginning in 1991. The service ended in 1997 because UA could not turn a profit in light of severe load restrictions with the short runway. The flights were often cancelled because of the tricky runway situation. I once got stuck in White Plains because the pilot refused to fly into HVN at night in windy and rainy conditions. The takeoff was always a rocket shot and I had one go-around. The normal landing pattern would take you over the city, over the monument at East Rock park with full flaps. There is, however, a demand for jet service and the RJ's are the logical choice for short services to mainline hubs, and this service will really blossom if the runway is lengthened.

User currently offlineLindy field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3131 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2031 times:
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Better yet would be if Tweed's runway were lengthened and Southwest decided to market HVN as a "New York area" airport in the way that they market Providence as a "Boston area" airport.  Smile



User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6637 posts, RR: 21
Reply 20, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1996 times:

I lived in New Haven, West Haven actually, if I recall UA flew 737 til about 94,95. Anyway I have long thought that Bridgeport & New Haven should build a joint airport. That would serve a population base of about 250,000 correct?


I feel woozy....what did you put in that Pudding Pop?
User currently offlineFrequentflier From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 422 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1987 times:

Southwest into Southern CT would be amazing. The New York area is probably one of their least-served regions (except for Islip) and a move into HVN would be HUGE for them.

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