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Does Ford Still Have An Airline?  
User currently offlineShankly From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 1470 posts, RR: 1
Posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2253 times:

I can recall in the 70's and early 80's that the Ford motor company had what amounted effectively to a small airline, comprising two BAC1-11's and a Gulfstream I, based at Stansted flying executives between the UK and Europe. The aircraft were UK registered, painted white and grey with a smart orange and blue stripe and orange tail and operated out of a hangar and offices at the southern end of runway 05.

With Ford manufacturing now substantially downsized in the UK, I was wondering if the airline still exists either in mainland Europe, in the US or perhaps South America?

I would assume that even if it does, the 1-11's and G.I are long gone.


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User currently offlineBoeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2248 times:

They had two BBJ's. I know they recently sold one of them and then turned around and bought a 737-700. (I still haven't been able to figure out why they did that) I don't know if they still have the second one. I imagine with those two aircraft that they may still offer such a service, but I have no idea.

User currently offlineJohnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2156 times:

yes, it does still exist. the operate a 737-700 at least twice daily between London STN and Cologne-Bonn CGN. don´t know if that´s the BBJ, or just a 73G with generous seating. got winglets, though.

cheers
daniel


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User currently offlineElwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2076 times:

With Ford manufacturing now substantially downsized in the UK, I was wondering if the airline still exists either in mainland Europe, in the US or perhaps South America?

Ford's UK manufacturing is off, but not as substantially downsized as you point out. They just introduced three new car types and still own Jaguar (among other concerns). True, things are off everywhere for F, but Ford is still a sizable company in the UK.


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User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2040 times:

At Detroit DTW, Ford has a corporate airline that flies execs around the country. They have two F-70s and a few Gulfstream Vs and some other corporate jets, I remember they used to have Convair 580s. These are the only two F-70s left in the U.S.

General Motors also has their corporate airline based at Detroit, they have 3-4 Saab 2000s (the only S2000s in the U.S.) and some Citation Xs and a few other small jets. Their hanger is right across Runway 21L and R from Ford at DTW


Daimler Chrysler, on the otherhand flies out of PTK which is Oakland County Pontiac International which is north of Detroit. They have an A319 and an A321 along with a few Gulf Vs

User currently offlineGAWZU From United Kingdom, joined May 2002, 235 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1996 times:

Up until mid-summer 2002, Ford UK operated two B737-7CP(BBJ) aircraft, registered VP-BFE (c/n 30753) and VP-BFO (c/n 30755), but these are now in service with the USAF/District of Culumbia ANG 201st Airlift. Today, Ford operates two ex. Braathens B737-705s (not BBJs), VP-BBT (ex. LN-TUB, c/n 29089) and VP-BBU (ex. LN-TUC, c/n 29090). The latter aircraft wear the colourscheme worn by the Ford MD-87s during the 1990s...


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...whereas the BBJs wore a different livery


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Hope this helps,
Adam

User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1977 times:

Actually the colorscheme that you show the non BBJ 737 wearing is the colors that Ford wears on their F-70s and Gulfstreams at DTW too.

User currently offlineB764 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 735 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1945 times:

GAWZU, excellent work on the new 737s for Ford Europe. In addition to these aircraft I believe they also have a Hawker 800.

Ford Flight Operations at DTW is making a change in their fleet as well. All 5 G-V's are up for sale and two have been sold. These I don't believe aren't painted in the Ford Europe colors. However their F-70's are. N322K & N324K.


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These fly daily shuttles to Ford Locations around the US. HII, SNA, SDF, LUK, CLE, & STL are the main cities served from DTW. In addition to the F-70's Ford's new fleet will include two F-900EXs (N326K & N327K) & two F-2000s (N329K & N330K). 326 & 329 are flying, but I haven't seen their paint job. Ford USA jets can be seen regularly @ EGBB.

As stated on the west side of the runway is General Motors' Hanger. GM has an extensive fleet as well. 2 G-V's (N5101 & N5102), 5 C750's (N5112 - N5116), 1 C650 (N5117), & 3 Saab 2000's (N5123 - N5125). N5125 was used as a NASCAR charter last year and 5123, 5124 are for sale.

DaimlerChrysler flies from PTK. Their US fleet was downsized about a year ago. Left are 2 G-V's (N910DC & N920DC) and 1 G-III (N960DC). DC has a A319CJ only and it's based with the German fleet in Stuttgart. It's registration is D-ADNA. In addition to the A319CJ, the German fleet has 1 Global Express, 2 CL-604s, 3 LJ60's, & 1 F-2000. Rumor has it that another Global Express is due to enter service soon. We will see.

I hope this is of interest to you.



User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 38484 posts, RR: 80
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1908 times:

Ford used aviation a lot in the advertisments.




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User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3582 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days ago) and read 1895 times:

Destinations Ford Air serves from CGN include STN, LUX and VLC.

User currently offlineGAWZU From United Kingdom, joined May 2002, 235 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1836 times:

@Vfw614 - To my knowledge, Ford Europe is based at STN... ?

Cheers,
Adam

User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4685 posts, RR: 48
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1816 times:

At CGN's Terminal 2 there is even a "Ford Airline" sign among the logos of the other companies operating from that terminal.



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User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3582 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1812 times:

@GAWZU

Yes, they are. Nevertheless they operate flights from CGN to a couple of European destinations (Cologne is the HQ of Ford in Germany).

User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7157 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1780 times:

Nice ad Superfly,***UGLY*** car,though..............what's the reg of those 741's?


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