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Air Canada To Layoff 300 Baggage Handlers In YYZ  
User currently offlineCessnapimp From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 1320 posts, RR: 20
Posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4113 times:

It is a sad day today for ground personnel here in Toronto. The news came out this evening from what I can tell...

Link to the article:
http://cbc.ca/cgi-bin/templates/print.cgi?/2003/01/17/aircan_030117

The article itself:

Air Canada cutting 300 jobs in Toronto
Last Updated Fri Jan 17 17:35:42 2003
TORONTO-- Air Canada (TSX:AC) said Friday it is laying off 300 employees at airports across the country as it tries to cope with reduced passenger demand.


Cutting jobs after warning of losses
The company told CBC Business News that it informed the International Association of Machinists on Thursday of its intent to issue temporary layoff notices to approximately 300 people who handle baggage. Those layoff notices were slated to go out Friday and take effect as early as Jan. 31.

The airline said the layoffs reflect current economic reality as well as reduced demand.

Air Canada shares were up four cents at $4.50 on Friday on the TSX.

On January 16, the company warned it will post an operating loss for the fourth quarter and the full year because of stiffer competition in the domestic market.


FROM Jan. 16, 2003: Air Canada warns of fourth-quarter operating loss

The company said its Q4 loss will be less than the quarterly operating loss for the same period in each of the past two years.
Air Canada issued the warning at the same time it released figures showing its passenger traffic in December was down from last year.

The company said it flew 0.6 per cent fewer revenue passenger miles in December 2002 than in December 2001, according to preliminary traffic figures. Capacity increased by 2.5 per cent, resulting in a load factor - the percentage of seats occupied by paying passengers -of 70.0 per cent, compared to 72.1 per cent in December 2001.


Written by CBC News Online staff
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Guys, I know how you feel, I've been there myself last year.  Sad


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User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4091 times:

I have to say I agree with this measure. Air Canada has a less than steller reputation for baggage handling, with lots of lost and damaged luggage. So what do you do about it? Get rid of the baggage handlers! That will solve the problem.  Big grin (Note: just a little sarcastic, in case somebody with a cucumber stuck where the sun don't shine is thinking of replying.)


"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineCessnapimp From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 1320 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4089 times:

I can't believe it!

Every day it's the same thing. A/C waiting to get marshalled in at the gate, letting their engines run 5, 10, 15 minutes because the crews are overstretched. With 300 less, I can't imagine what it's gonna look like on the first Monday morning after the layoffs. Sigh.

Can I get testimony from an AC pilot? Ramp?

This is very odd.


User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4086 times:

Shareholders don't see engines running. There aren't official reports handed to shareholders outlining the costs of having aircraft arrive, then have to wait a few minutes with extra idling, also departing late because of the overstretched ground crews, etc etc. What the shareholders see though are 300 people losing their jobs, which should help the bottom line (or so they think). Oh well. I hope there is a good reason for this though. I know some areas are overstretched, but I'm sure there are others that are underutilized. Maybe they are transferring people from one area to another.


"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineAC_B777 From Canada, joined Aug 2000, 809 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4072 times:

We sent home 8 station attendants today and another 5 got layoff notices this morning that take affect the first week of February.
It is hard to swallow. We see the flight attendants get a "no layoff for five years" clause in their recent contract. Yet, when the cuts come down, it always hits the ramp staff.
I guess we will soon see pilots loading the planes, flight attendants pushing them back, and the ticket agents de-icing.
Two years ago, I had 32 station attendants that were below me in seniority here in YYT. As of today with the 5 given notices, I now have three.
I realize that the world has changed since last year, but sometimes the cuts are too dramatic.
Cessnapimp, I agree with you completely. We have guys here that are tearing themselves apart working the flights. Trying to get the flights out on time, trying to please management, yada yada. It's just a crazy situation!!

AC_B777



In life, some days you are the bug..... some days you are the windshield!
User currently offlineLasbagman From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 367 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4066 times:

Air Canada has improved vastly in the past few months on PAWOBS in LAS.
I have handled AC for the last 8 years and have went thrugh some awful flights with out bags. The past 6 months AC has done great in YYZ and this news isnt good. More OT in the arrival stations I guess.


User currently offlineLymanm From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 1138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4153 times:

Cutting AC's lowest paid employees will not accomplish anything other than destroying already low morale. As Cessnapimp pointed out, those 5-10 minutes of ground idle is a huge, uneccesary expense...over the course of the year, I have no idea how much fuel that wastes, but I'd be willing to bet that it's far more than what will be saved by eliminating these 300 hard workers. If anything hire more bag smashers and get a prompt, efficient operation going.


buhh bye
User currently offlineAC_B777 From Canada, joined Aug 2000, 809 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4093 times:

Lasbagman,

PAWOBS have improved at most stations over the past year. I know a few times we achieved 100% here in YYT.
We have put a few programs in place to try and avoid passengers flying without their luggage. For the most part, it seems to be working. Sometimes, things are unavoidable and it doesn't work out, but, there has been a big improvement.

AC



In life, some days you are the bug..... some days you are the windshield!
User currently offlineLasbagman From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 367 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4055 times:

AC

You are right, AC bag handling has improved by far and arrivals bear no resemblnce to the past few years. I hope the quality will continue.

Lasbagman


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5906 times:

None of us can really speak to the necessity of this unless we can see the productivity comparison of AC baggage handlers to those at other airlines, whether WJ or the US majors.

If AC mgmt feels that the baggage handlers are not as productive as their counterparts at other airlines, this might be the right decision.

Although layoffs never play well in the press.....sometimes they're necessary.






Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineAC_B777 From Canada, joined Aug 2000, 809 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4123 times:

Hey Lymanm,

You are right, morale has gone for shit. When the same group of people keep getting hit with layoffs, it really gets to you. Then you see other groups with little or nothing happening to them. For the last while, ticket agents have had nothing happen, but next year, the axe is going to come down hard.
As I mentioned, the flight attendants are safe for five years. How can you negotiate something like that in this day and age?
Like you and cessnapimp said about engine idle, we had a memo come out last spring about unnecessary usage of APU's. It said the company was losing millions per year with the use of APU's. Crews would leave them running for extended times, thus wasting fuel and maintenance costs.
Ground power is to be used at all times now unless it is unavoidable to run the APU's. So, you can imagine what it costs to run two or more engines for long times while sitting on the ramp waiting for a gate to open up.

AC



In life, some days you are the bug..... some days you are the windshield!
User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4280 times:

I asked around and from what I can gather these are 300 temp positions, as was the case with flight attendants in the fall, so lets not make this more then what it is....While I think that the cuts should be made at more senior levels where abuse of seniority is very comon, and wages are much higher contracts, and unions do not allow for that, and so the cuts have to come somewhere...but like I said I am pretty sure these were temp positions with not long term jobs...Thoes 5-10min ground holds are not because of lack of man-power its the lack of efficient use of man power, and too much abuse from the more senior employees...Thats what needs to change....


"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
User currently offlineAC_B777 From Canada, joined Aug 2000, 809 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4031 times:

Slawko,

While I'm sure most of these positions may be temp in some larger stations, here in YYT, the 13 total that got laidoff were people who had been there for up to 3 years. There were only two guys that were temp, the rest were mainly permanent employees not on a temporary basis.
Things are run totally different in a small station compared to a large one. We do things here in YYT that would never be done in YYZ or YUL. For example, I have seen A319's worked here at peak times and with high loads with a crew of three (Average is 4). In YYZ, you wouldn't see less than 5-6 people on a 319.
In four stops at YYZ last year, I saw 8 guys working our A320 flights at a time. Here you might see 4-5. I realize that YYT can't be compared to YYZ, but we are still required to turn our flights in the given time with less manpower than big stations. Yet, we still get cut.
I don't know the answer, but cutting more and more jobs doesn't seem like the right thing to do.

AC



In life, some days you are the bug..... some days you are the windshield!
User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6014 times:

I too question the intelligence in negotiation no layoff clauses with the unions. It's hurt AC in the past, so why would they get into that again, especially for such a long time? So much can happen in 5 years.

From what I have heard, Air Canada is looking for a fairly strong summer, so it seems as though they will need the manpower. Hopefully these layoffs don't mean the opposite, or any negative change in the past little while. Another thing is, if Air Canada has improved substantially in the past year or so with regards to luggage and other customer service areas, they should be working hard to maintain that level, and not jeapardize it.

Good luck to those who got their notices though, it's not a good thing to have happen.



"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3958 times:

ACB777 I see your point, but these layoffs have been indicated by Air Canada as being temporary and only due to the slower winter season. I read in the star today that they should last between 3-12 months...I know that a year may be a long time, but if something isnt done soon it could be a lot more people for a lot longer period of time. The Toronto Star's business section has a bit of a write up about it...and while Ms. Pigg is not always the greatest aviation reporter this one was pretty good read.


"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
User currently offlineRamprat From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 188 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3833 times:

As AC_777 said, here in Calgary as well those people getting laid off are permanent full time employees, the temp got their notice back at the end of Aug. As well, here in Calgary we are laying off the groomers that we still had, so now, we have that much more work added to our plates and no less flights as far as i can see! And yet the comapny wants the same quailty and amount of work as before. I cant speak for how it is in other staions, but we are already bustin our butts here, and now more is expected, meanwhile the ticket agents and flight attendants cant be layed off, so they are tripping over each other, and we are stretched to the limit downstairs. Then the company wonders why there are so many injuries and accidents. Its not uncommon to go from flight to flight to flight, no breaks, exactly a 1/2 hour lunch, and flights scheduled one on top of the other. Guys get tired and fed up and just dont care anymore, which isnt good for the customer, but we are at our wits end here. Its especially helpful when managers and gate agents are there wondering where we are while the flight is waiting to be marshalled in and worked. Sorry for the ranting, but i just got off shift experiencing the above mentioned. In short, they are laying off the wrong people, and to the flying public, please be patient with the baggage handlers, i can assure you we are doing our best, but we can only do so much!

User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3825 times:

It's still amazing to me that airlines dont combine their ground staff into one unit... Northwest (in some stations) has it right...if you work on the ground then you work on the ground, everywhere...a gate agent can be working upstairs in the terminal one month, and outside on the ramp the next. This way everyone can do all the jobs, and you have a much larger pool to take from when you need to fill positions. I know that CUPE and the CAW would have something to say about that (probably not very nice) but when the alternative is unemployment I know what I would vote for....I agree with you guys that the wrong people are being layed off, there should be custs in all areas including management, flight ops, inflight, and ground. Unfortunatly some unions have more power then others...but if things are as bad as AC is indicating then I think all of the groups will have to come on side and make some cuts in one form or another, regardless of current contract, because the UAL alternative, I think, is not one that anyone wants....


"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
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