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Dock E At ZRH  
User currently offlineAviationMaster From Switzerland, joined Oct 1999, 2473 posts, RR: 35
Posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1938 times:

Yesterday several newspapers reported that the operator (Unique) of Zurich Airport will open the new terminal, Dock E on the 1st of September.

-christian

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User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5564 posts, RR: 37
Reply 1, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1914 times:

Yes this is correct. They will handle there almost all long-distance flights of Swiss International Airlines. Of course they will also have to open the Sky Rail for the transport of the passengers from and to Dock E. Dock E will have 19 to 27 gates depending on the size of the aircraft. They will also be able to handle A 380s. More Information on http://www.uniqueairport.com

User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 32
Reply 2, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1891 times:

If I recall correctly, all the longhaul flights will be operated out of Dock E, not only LX flights. Is that right?

Then, for security reasons I guess, AA, CO and DL will still be operated out of Terminal B, where they have individual security checks per gate. That's sad.

Regards
Gerardo



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User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5564 posts, RR: 37
Reply 3, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1879 times:

You are right Gerardo, the US airlines will remein at T B for security reasons. I think not all other long-haul will be at Dock E. As I read only Swiss and other ailines which don't belong to an alliance as Malaysia for example.

Regards Philipp


User currently offlineAviationMaster From Switzerland, joined Oct 1999, 2473 posts, RR: 35
Reply 4, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1852 times:

I think in the Tagesanzeiger it said that the North American and TLV flights will be handled at Terminal B until the new Dock can handle these flights, but i cant confirm this.

-christian


User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2358 posts, RR: 28
Reply 5, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1850 times:

@Gerardo: Why is it sad that other intercontinental flights will move to Dock E? There will be a second visitors terrace on top of Dock E which will be open to the public, so ZRH will even become more interesting for spotters.

Best regards
Thomas



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User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 32
Reply 6, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1823 times:

Thomas, that was poor wording from my side, sorry.

What I meant was, that it is sad, that the AA flights are still operated at the Terminal B. It would be better for the cooperation of AA and LX (and later perhaps Oneworld), if the AA flights would be operated from Dock E.

Regarding the terrace on Dock E, I heard, that the visitors acess would be with busses from the terrace at Terminal B. Any other news ragarding that?

BTW, we could meet at the new terrace, once it opens up.

Regards
Gerardo



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User currently offlineAirways From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 880 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1808 times:

I heard the same about the terrace on Dock E. And when I drove arround the new dock some days ago, I even saw the bus-gates for the visitors. And obviously, a transfer with busses from terrace B makes much more sense than anything else.

Anyway, I was really glad when I first heard about the new terrace on Dock E. Zurich has always been a great airport for spotters and it will be even more "unique" with the additional visitors deck.

Michael
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User currently offlineBlink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5476 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1798 times:

Shouldn't ZRH just make Dock E the International Terminal for ALL flights? For the US departures, they could simply have wands, or designate certain gates for US flights without having to build a US Customs Station in ZRH and cut off a US departures area like they do in Canada. How much extra would it cost?

blink



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User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 9, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1786 times:

In my opinion Unique is only going to open the Dock Midfield (E Terminal) because they can justify the increase of passenger taxes from 24.50 CHF to something like 36 CHF. The Swiss Government (BAZL) and the Travel Trade agreed to such an increase but only when the new terminal will be operated and the service delivered to the customer (which has to pay the taxes) are well delivered.

Unique is in some financial problems and the only way they didn't make loss last financial year seems to be the sale and lease back of a few parking houses.

There also have been several reports that airlines such as EasyJet asked for lower fees at ZRH or the intend to move to BSL or other airports. My self I don't doubt that ZRH is still a very attractive airport but at the current time Unique has to be very careful with their planes and strategies.



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User currently offlineILOVEA340 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1780 times:

Just about every flight from ZRH is international. Every flight requires positive Boarding and Passport control. The only difference in procedures of any flight at ZRH is teh USA and Israel flights which have a second set of metal detectors at the gate.

User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 32
Reply 11, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1760 times:

After Sep. 11, 2001, a ZRH spokesman mentioned the increased security measures and that the new Dock E wouldn't comply with them. He also mentioned, that it will of course be analized, if and how Dock E could be adapted to allow AA to be operated from Dock E.

Regards
Gerardo



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User currently offlineSpotterboy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1758 times:

Can anybody give me a list of all airlines wich will be operating from Terminal E?
Or is it Swiss Air Lines only?

thanks. Florian


User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 32
Reply 13, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1753 times:

So far, the only airline I definitely know, is SWISS (well, that wasn't too difficult Smile/happy/getting dizzy).

Seriously, there's nothing sure so far. But if all longhaul flights should indeed be operated from Dock E, then I would expect all Asian carriers as well as SAA to be transferred to Dock E, leaving El Al and the US carriers at Terminal B for the time beeing.

But as said, that a wild guess so far

Regards
Gerardo



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User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 14, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1747 times:

Well, I don't think Unique knows yet which airlines should be moving there and so do other airlines in Switzerland.

Especially Asian carriers could have "some" advantage when moving to Terminal E. Now when they arrived in ZRH in the early morning at the gate and passengers disembarked they have to pull the planes to an outer parking area and bring them back to the Gate a few hours later. Handling agents debit per push-back and the parking space has to be paid as well. The advantage aspect at the Terminal E could be, that the aircraft could remain at it's position during the whole stay in ZRH.

In my opinion it is very easy. Terminal A should be for Swiss, Terminal B für charter flights (including the flights from the current Terminal D) and Terminal E for all other Intercontinental flights.



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User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 32
Reply 15, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1736 times:

That's one possibility. Another one could be:
* Terminal A: SWISS and Oneworld airlines shorthaul
* Terminal E: Other Oneworld partners, specially longhaul
* Terminal B: The whole rest

Oneworld airlines would have their airlines better concentrated.

What about that?

Regards
Gerardo



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User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 16, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1729 times:

I don't see ALL other airlines in Terminal B only. This would mean that all charter flights and airlines such as AF, LH, MH, UL, SQ, AZ, OS, SA, EK, TG, QR (  Smile/happy/getting dizzy ), TP, all no-frills, SU, LO, SK, and so on would have to share Terminal B? I don't think that would work and as long as there are empty gates Asian carriers don't want to pay twice for push-back and see their planes at a remote bay.

Anyway Gerardo, about your possibility we could talk when we know into which direction Swiss finally will go ...



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User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 32
Reply 17, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1728 times:

You mean, perhaps SWISS will share its Terminal with other (drums rolling....) Star Alliance airlines?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Of course, my approach was more from SWISS/Oneworld point of view, yours more from Unique or the normal pax point of view.

BTW, I love the idea of seeing QR at ZRH .
Any news regarding that?

Regards
Gerardo

[Edited 2003-01-24 11:27:04]


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User currently offlineSwiss-airplane From Switzerland, joined May 2000, 591 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1716 times:

I heard that American Airlines will move to terminal A, effective April.
greets
Mike


User currently offlineAviationMaster From Switzerland, joined Oct 1999, 2473 posts, RR: 35
Reply 19, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1711 times:

Is QR Qatar Airways and are they coming to ZRH?  Wow!

-christian


User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 32
Reply 20, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1702 times:

I heard a long time ago (Swissair was still flying around.....), that AA would move to terminal AA. So far, nothing happened, and Terminal A can't handle flights of US airlines due to the severe security requirements. SO far, only Terminal B can handle this.

And yes, QR is Qatar Airways. It was rumoured a while back, that they would start flying to ZRH.

Regards
Gerardo



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User currently offlineSR3496 From Switzerland, joined May 2000, 792 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1693 times:

It was said that Terminal B would be for the 'alliance airlines', which means all airlines which are in either StarAlliance, Oneworld or Skyteam.
Terminal A is for Swiss (mostly shorthaul).
Terminal E would then be: Swiss (mostly longhaul) and all non-alliance airlines.

All this makes sense because of the lounges. In Terminal B they only need 3 lounges. Terminal A would still be the same as today and Terminal E would get a Swiss lounge and a lounge for all other airlines. When the airside centre opens in 2004 it could be another situation.
But I don't know how airlines like CO or ElAl would be handled...any ideas?

In the future (let's be optimistic for Swiss) it could look like this:
Terminal A: Swiss/Oneworld
Terminal E: Swiss/Oneworld (incl. AA)
Terminal B: all others

I was today in the new arrival part of the airside centre. There's an exhibition and you also have a nice view of the Skymetro arrival station. I can recommend a short visit there.

cu, bk


User currently offline717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1660 times:

AA will move to Terminal A as of April 03. Confirmed from the AA General Manager Switzerland in todays "Travel Inside" North America supplement.

User currently offlineILOVEA340 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1647 times:

I see little happening at B. And most of the carriers, except maybe AA will stay there while swiss takes over the terminal E for longer flights (maybe AA will move there once they get the whole security mess figured out)
The way it is now:
Terminal A: Swiss/TAP
Terminal B: Everything else including AA.

The way it might be:
Terminal A: Swiss/TAP/AA (most AA pax connect on shorthaul in ZRH)
Terminal B: All others minus AA (maybe BA would move to A if the oneworld thing happens)
Terminal E: Swiss (and other longhaul Oneworld if that goes through)


User currently offlineAviationMaster From Switzerland, joined Oct 1999, 2473 posts, RR: 35
Reply 24, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1638 times:

If Aerminal A is unable to handle US and TLV flights, why do LX's flight leave from Terminal A?

User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 25, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1630 times:

As per a Unique guy I met today he told me that Swiss and other intercontinental airlines (not US carriers and LY) will move to Terminal E. Guess he was talking about Asian carriers and maybe SA as well.

No news about QR, but looking forward to ...



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