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It's Official: CommutAir In CLE March 16th  
User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3253 times:

Read in our system today that CommutAir will start new service in CLE beginning March 16th, with the first cities being served as Kalamazoo (AZO), and Elmira, NY (ELM). Schedules will be available for sale Feb 1st. Don't know of the frequencies with the B1900 yet. More cities will follow as the year progresses.

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User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3228 times:

Well, son of a Beech!  Nuts

User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4612 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 3214 times:

Mesaba in TOL has been contracted to work 4 CO flights this year. No start date.

User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 3203 times:

Ouboy79, it's likely that TOL, SBN, FWA, LAN, MBS will be some of the cities to start-up this year. I was a little surprised that Elmira, never served from CLE, was a start-up city. I was told by a COEX pilot that it made sense because ELM is a MX base for Commutair.

I'm sure there'll be more surprises in what will be served with the Son of Beech out of CLE.  Smile


User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4612 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 3206 times:

TOL is a given from the plans Mesaba/NW have for TOL that I was made privy to tonight. Specifically stated was a contract being signed to ground handle the CO flights - 4 times per day. They, however, just haven't been told when. Staffing levels at this station are expected to increase dramatically...so it seems these two code-share partners are up to something.  Smile

User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 3179 times:

How will CommutAir successfully compete with CoEx Jungle Jets?

User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4612 posts, RR: 23
Reply 6, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 3170 times:

Why would they compete? Most of these routes were all dropped when runway construction started and the Beeches removed from CLE.

One note about AZO - this route will be subsidized through the AIR 21 federal loan program.


User currently offlineCO/ba From United States of America, joined May 2001, 399 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 3160 times:

Is there any word of furloughed CO or COEX pilots being able to fly for them?

User currently offlineJetskipper From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 3140 times:

All furloughed Exjet pilot were called a few months ago and offered positions at Commutair. They will not be replacing Commutair pilots, but however being added to support the demand from the extra service. They are all able to keep there COEX numbers and will be recalled as soon as posible...most likely by the end of 2003.

User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5560 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (11 years 10 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3089 times:

Just for history's sake, I believe Mohawk regularly flew CLE-ELM.


I love long German words like 'Freundschaftsbezeigungen'.
User currently offlineExpressJet_ERJ From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 834 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (11 years 10 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3060 times:

Hopefully they'll start CLE-PIT just like CoExp did with Beeches. Maybe even CAK?


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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 10 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3027 times:

ExpressJet_ERJ, I would rather see COEX start CAK-EWR service instead of CAK-CLE. For three reasons: 1. CAK-CLE becomes like "fodder" when there's maintainence problems-it's easy to cancel, and that never looks good; 2. Even with the new runways that will eventually increase traffic, CAK-CLE will always be succeptable to ATC problems because CAK does sit in the approach pattern for CLE. That was always a huge problem, and 3. CAK-EWR would be a nice counter to the AirTran service CAK-LGA that's starting in March, I believe. I think that AirTran service could lure some CO and AA New York travelers to CAK, and CO would be smart to counter this new service.

User currently offline777gk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1641 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (11 years 10 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2967 times:

CLE lost a chunk of traffic when we started removing the 1900s and shipping those passengers to DTW onto NW-operated flights (I've been lurking at FT for some time now, and I'm not going to use the ubiquitous term NW "metal" here  Smile). This has been a much anticipated move and should boost the amount of connecting traffic we have at CLE.

By the way, keep your eye out for a CLE-AMS nonstop with a 757 to be announced at some point in the near future. I hear once we start taking more 737-800 deliveries that we can replace a 757 in the schedule and that would be the aircraft we would operate that flight with. Just rumors, but I think this one has at least a leg to stand on with the KLM link and impending Skyteam entrance.


User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5560 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (11 years 10 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2935 times:

Could the 757's do CLE-AMS without regular westbound load restrictions? At 3921 miles, the route is almost at the limit of Boeing's 757-200 advertised range.


I love long German words like 'Freundschaftsbezeigungen'.
User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8341 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (11 years 10 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2926 times:

I don't think CLE-AMS could be a 757. Pilots flying the current CLE-LGW route complain enough as is about fuel limits and LGW is a bit closer.


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User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 15, posted (11 years 10 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2878 times:

Yay! Expansion at CLE! (even if it is re-expansion!)

Personally I don't think CAK-CLE is a good idea. In addition to the airspace problems, CO was losing money on people flying out of CAK "connecting through CLE" to buy cheaper tickets. They could use a bus like they do ABE-EWR.

I also don't think CLE-DTW will work on B1900s when NW uses DC-9s, A320s, and Mesaba 340s. All are more comfortable and more expedient than B1900s.

redngold



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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8341 posts, RR: 23
Reply 16, posted (11 years 10 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2857 times:

Is not CLE-DTW operated by ERJs and 737s? I know in the summers 737-300s make up a good chunk of the CLE-DTW route.


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User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4612 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (11 years 10 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2858 times:

CLE-DTW isn't part of the CommutAir deal...that is handled by ExpressJet and the rest.

User currently offlineNcflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 492 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (11 years 10 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2847 times:

The turbroprop makes a return to CO-- or a CO affiliate-- I believe these will be the only props in the CO system? A few years back CO made a big deal of saying CLE was moving to an all jet hub, but maybe that was a way of sugarcoating a big service cut.

User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 10 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2838 times:

Is not CLE-DTW operated by ERJs and 737s? I know in the summers 737-300s make up a good chunk of the CLE-DTW route.

737'S haven't made up a "good chunk" of the CLE-DTW service in 15 years. About 2 years ago, CO did operate one positioning 735 DTW-CLE-SRQ, I believe, but the 735 didn't run CLE-DTW. DTW has been all turboprop/RJ for the better part of a decade now, at the very least.

A few years back CO made a big deal of saying CLE was moving to an all jet hub, but maybe that was a way of sugarcoating a big service cut.

I don't see how it sugarcoated anything, since CLE was the first CO hub to go all-jet in November of 2001. There were cuts in some routes to smaller destinations, mainly because of the runway constraints at CLE-and it was the runway, since some markets like CLE-AZO, CLE-SBN actually were profitable.

I'm no big fan of the B1900, but, as Senior VP Jeff Smisek told us in November, if CO/COEX thinks it can make a few $$$ by bringing back the Beeches on some of these routes, then why not? In this day and age, the carriers are looking for every little advantage to squeeze extra revenue. The upside, of course, is if any of these markets do well, they can always be upgraded to COEX ERJ service.


User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4612 posts, RR: 23
Reply 20, posted (11 years 10 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2827 times:

NCFlyer said...

The turbroprop makes a return to CO-- or a CO affiliate-- I believe these will be the only props in the CO system? A few years back CO made a big deal of saying CLE was moving to an all jet hub, but maybe that was a way of sugarcoating a big service cut.

The Beeches are flown by CommutAir, which has been flying as Continental Connection for a few years now. Gulfstream Int'l in Florida is also another Connection carrier that flies the Beeches - so no, these will not be the only props in the system. They are no longer flown by Express Jet (Continental Express)...but they have never left the system.


User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 21, posted (11 years 10 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2844 times:

Continental Express still has its "Britt Airways" division which flies out of IAH -- and uses EM2's on some shorter routes (for example, ELF-IAH, LIT-IAH).

redngold



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User currently offlineLear777 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 290 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (11 years 10 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2822 times:

Redngold

Continental Express is all jet out of all of the hubs now...no more props from IAH.

Brian



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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8341 posts, RR: 23
Reply 23, posted (11 years 10 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2812 times:

Alpha1- I flew a 737-300 DTW-CLE last year and I know there was at least another one on the schedule at the time, too.


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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (11 years 10 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2791 times:

Redngold, Britt Airways was basically folded into COEX. It no longer exists as an individual entity, and hasn't for quite a while now. There used to be Britt North and Britt South.

And N766UA, as I said, there was one 733 DTW-CLE for a while, but there were not other 737's on the CLE-DTW-CLE run, and have not been for years. When I started in '87, DTW-CLE-DTW was operated exclusively by mainline jets, as there was not Britt/COEX in CLE in '87, but that was pared back in the early '90's, and slowly went all COEX.

I do remember one time, around 1990, when a CLE-DTW 733 was downgagued for a flight one day to a EMB-120. Only time I ever saw a mainline decommitted to an Express turboprop.


25 Jetskipper : Continental Airlines bought Britt Airways years ago and combined it with airlines such as Bar Harbor and other to make what is now known as Continenta
26 Dford757 : I am glad that another airline is showing interest in ELM. Since US Airways pulled mainline service out, things have been kinda slow there, but it see
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