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Lufthansa To Order The Boeing 717?  
User currently offline9V-SPF From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1375 posts, RR: 3
Posted (11 years 9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7637 times:

There´s an article in the newest issue of the german civil aviation magazine "Aero International" in which it is stated that Lufthansa might be seriously considering to order a "significant" number of Boeing 717´s soon.

What do you think of this rumour?

Personally I´m not really convinced of this being true (although I would love to see LH 717´s at FRA), taking into account that Lufthansa has just decided to pull some smaller planes out of service due to low demand. Those 717´s would probably be meant as a replacement for the older 737´s in LH´s fleet but as far as I know those 737´s are still quite profitable.

Daniel

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User currently offline717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (11 years 9 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7568 times:

LH is searching for a 100 seater, but it will be very big surprise if its the 717....

User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 2, posted (11 years 9 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7522 times:

Highly unlikely, given their current loyalty to Airbus. But then again, who knows...

User currently offlineTWAL1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (11 years 9 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7508 times:

It'd put a smile on my face.

User currently offlinePaulianer From Germany, joined Jul 2002, 875 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (11 years 9 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7469 times:

I don't think so, because it seems that Lufthansa is going to an all airbus fleet...


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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16307 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (11 years 9 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7458 times:

WHat if LH was considering the 717 for the Cityline fleet as a replacement for both the 146 and 735?




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 9 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7440 times:

LH CityLine is restricted to operate a maximum of 80 seats per aircraft, if so, B717 will fly at LH mainline. However, the A318 might win the competition.

LH is not going to operate an all Airbus fleet, the B747-400 won't leave soon, and LH might even look at the B747-400QLR since Airbus cannot offer a direct replacement for the regular B747-400. The A346 is too small, the A380 is too large.


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineSQ325 From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 1452 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (11 years 9 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7451 times:

LH is still searching for a DO728 replacement and the CRJ900 is everything else than a good choice, same for the EMB which are no longer an option for LH!
One point for the A318 ist the fact that LH operates A319/320/321 but it could be hard to earn money with the A318 because of its weight and the lousy engines.
The B717 instead is a very profitable aircraft and i wouldn't go that far and say LH will operate an all Airbus fleet in the future.
Bur maybe we all are facing into one of the biggest sensations!
I doubt it but i would die to fly the B717  Big thumbs up


User currently offlineSQ325 From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 1452 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (11 years 9 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7430 times:

Udo you are wrong!
We'll get 93 seats on our RJ85!
Transition is starting in march and it is planned to convert 2 Aircrafts per week!
So the scope clause is more or less ignored!!!


User currently offlineJohnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (11 years 9 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7365 times:

SQ325 is correct, the scope-clause, well, don´t know if it´s gonna be dumped are ignored, but the whole thing is about to be worked out, let´s put it that way.

ok, so the news is from the recent issue of Aero, well, not one of the most reliable magazines out there. but i have to admit that sometimes it pulls off some great and eventually true news. it was the same case with OZ joining Star, no one thought about it and when they posted the news, many people thought it would be crazy. and now they´re joining...

what really bugs is that the 735s, which should be the most probable type to be replaced if this rumour is true (due to similar capacity) aren´t that old. the ARJs might go along with 735s in the end, but there´s still some difference in regards to seat capacity.

and on a side-note. CLH, though operating more expensive than teamLH and EW, are still less expensive than LH. so i´m sure if they´d operate a fleet of aircraft to replace about 30 735s (don´t know the exact numbers) Weber and & Co. would be very pleased to let them operate such an aircraft.
please note, this is mere speculation on my part.

if this is true or not, and i´m very skeptical about it, i´d say they´d choose the 717 over the A318. don´t think so, for commonality reasons? on short legs, the 717 should have the edge over the Airbus...

and Lufthansa going all-Airbus, come on, that´s just silly. i mean, leisure carriers like LTU going for one manufacturer, yeah, makes sense, but such a big airline? politics do still play a part in today´s orders, and although LH is obviously very convinced of Airbus production line, there´s still room and need for other aircraft... there´s just not a tailored down fleet for one airline of such a size and such a huge network with such diverse markets from just one manufacturer. ok, just my two cents...

cheers
daniel



If only pure sweetness was offered, why's this bitter taste left in my mouth.
User currently offline9V-SPF From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1375 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (11 years 9 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7328 times:

I don´t think that commonality is such a big deal when it comes to decisions about future aircraft additions to the LH fleet. The Boeing 777 and the Boeing 717 (and of course some regional jets and russian airplanes) are the only modern aircraft types that are currently not flying for LH, LH cargo or Thomas Cook so LH somehow must be accustomed to dealing with a diverse fleet.

By the way, if you have not checked out the newest Aero issue yet, you should do so because there is also a very interesting report about SXM (St. Maarten airport), accompanied by some excellent photos.

Daniel


User currently offlineBigo747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 9 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7288 times:

Prime candidate to replace the cancelled 60 Dornier 728 order, I think.

User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (11 years 9 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7261 times:

Jürgen Weber has publically stated that LH will continue to buy aircraft from both manufacturers. Makes sense actually, as they can play out A & B against each other and get cheaper prices. They just didn't buy anything from Boeing in the last time because they wasn't a real opportunity, the 767 didn't stand a chance against the A330 because of commonality (Pilots can be qualified on both the A330 & A340 at the same time and training only takes 1 or 2 days to get the type-rating if you already hold one for the other aircraft.).

About the 717, I'd love to finally see a DC9-relative in the LH livery, but I doubt it'll happen as the 717 is probably not that well-fitted for the regional routes as the next-generation regionals. Imho LH still has a little hope that someone will buy & finish the Do728 as it was designed mainly with LH's needs in mind, but the chances are getting smaller every day. If the 728 is indeed dead, LH will probably go for the EMB-170 or the CRJ-900, although don't seem to really fit their needs.


User currently offline717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (11 years 9 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7123 times:

The 717 could replace the 735 and 733.....
They have the CR7 at LufthansaCityline...so perhaps they will replace the RJ85 with the CR9...


User currently offlineFly-K From Germany, joined May 2000, 3154 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (11 years 9 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7089 times:
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SQ325 why is Embraer no longer an option?
Then why did I just see Embraer salespeople this week on the LH base...?

K.



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User currently offlineJohnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (11 years 9 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6818 times:

9V-SPF,

would you be so kind and hint me at the page where to find this article about LH and 717? i´ve just returned home and took my Aero issue out of the mailbox and went through it, but i didn´t find a thing. i must be blind and haven´t looked closely enough.

thanks
daniel



If only pure sweetness was offered, why's this bitter taste left in my mouth.
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16307 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (11 years 9 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6801 times:

A 717 order by LH would add immense credibility to the 717 program & would likely spawn addl orders. Finnair has been reported to be evaluating the aircraft.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (11 years 9 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6761 times:

Interesting rumour.Could somebody please provide a break down of capacity of CRJs here?

User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (11 years 9 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6706 times:

Even if there was a scope claus that said that the Cityline aircraft couldn't have more than 80 seats, whats to stop them from getting the 717? So they get the 717 and just put 80 seats in it, make the seating 2-2 instead of 3-2, more comfort for the passengers.

User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4165 posts, RR: 36
Reply 19, posted (11 years 9 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6699 times:

For your info: Finnair will likely decide in favour of 15 F100 as far as I´ve heard the past days. Reason: they are dirt-cheap. Word is either a larger CRJ700/900 or EMB-190/195 order for LH, EW and posssibly 4U (sounds a bit strange IMO).

Regards
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User currently offline9V-SPF From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1375 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (11 years 9 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6631 times:

Johnnybgoode,

the article is on page No. 32 and its headline is "Trent Antrieb für LH-A330", so maybe it is this headline which made you miss the short remark about the supposed 717 order.

Daniel


User currently offlineJohnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (11 years 9 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6613 times:

thanks a lot!

you guessed right, i just turned the pages looked for something special and didn´t read through the Trent story, and that´s where it was!

cheers
daniel



If only pure sweetness was offered, why's this bitter taste left in my mouth.
User currently offlineLubcha132 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2776 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (11 years 9 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6575 times:

i think they would look good in the LH colors..but pretty much anything would.

User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24947 posts, RR: 56
Reply 23, posted (11 years 9 months 1 day ago) and read 6542 times:

I would say LH would go for the A318  Smile


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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (11 years 9 months 1 day ago) and read 6521 times:

I would say LH would go for the A318

The majority of the airlines involved with that aircraft probably pulled out for a reason.............  Laugh out loud


25 CX747 : It would definately be amazing if the 717 was ordered by LH. Obviously fleet commonality tilts the order to the A318 but in these times of dire financ
26 LGB Photos : I can see LH ordering the 717 for the following reasons. I know that there are more, its late and I cant think of them. 1. It is already in service an
27 717fan : The engines are produced in Germany....that could also be an advantage...
28 Mikkel777 : Is 170/190 out of the question? I've heard something about some Star Alliance members getting a deal together .. But 717 would be nice !
29 Cloudy : Didn't Lufthansa Cargo complain when Boeing stopped MD-11 production? If they now want the 717, that would be most ironic.
30 BR715-A1-30 : I still think it was pretty fu**ed up of SAS to launch the MD-95, and then turn around and cancel their order for the 737-600. They should have though
31 MD-90 : Well, it seems like SAS is regretting their decision. Too bad for them that they didn't go with the superior aircraft. Hopefully Lufthansa won't make
32 Fleet service : Highly unlikely the 717 enters LH service.However, the possibility of Boeing making a deal with the Devil to place more airframes into service with a
33 Airbus Lover : I would love to see the 717 goes into ops with LH, although I've only been on it once I can say that its a powerful yet quiet plane (like the F100)...
34 717fan : I am wondering how serious this article from Aero is....Do they really have inside LH information?
35 Post contains links Flying-Tiger : 717fan, ever thought why Aero International hasn´t the best reputation? They write a lot of wrong info and second-guessing. Info I have is that the c
36 LHMark : Now that I really think about it, the 717 seems very well suited to the German domestic market. The good short-hop economics and 100-ish seats make it
37 717fan : Interesting is what an LH offical said: That they will have both Airbus and Boeing planes in its future fleet..... The only future Boeing aircraft I c
38 LGB Photos : BR715-A1-30 - The reason why SAS cancelled their orders for the 717 was because it was at the time when Boeing took over McDonnell Douglas and the air
39 Srbmod : Racko, the 717 is ideally suited for regional flights. Qantaslink, AerBal, and launch customer AirTran use them on regional flights. AirTran has moved
40 Post contains links Flying-Tiger : a) As far as I know SK never had a firm order on the MD-95/B717-200. The B737-600 was ordered before ValuJet launched the MD-95 wiht an order for 50+5
41 Post contains images LHMark : Flying Tiger, that's what I get for naming midsized German cities off the top of my head instead of looking at actual data. Maybe I should have sugges
42 9V-SPF : Well, well, Leipzig International... The airport officials call their baby "the new major airport for central germany" but they seem to be the only on
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