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UAL Cuts European Service  
User currently offline764 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 623 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 6 months 5 hours ago) and read 4519 times:

Inside sources here in Chicago say that UA is going to cut European service drastically within the next five months. Here's what I've heard:

They will

discontinue 962/963 IAD-MUC
close MUC station
discontinue 950/951 IAD-BRU
discontinue 958/929 LHR-BRU
close BRU station
discontinue 946/947 IAD-AMS
discontinue 966/967 ORD-AMS
close AMS station
discontinue 960/961 SFO-CDG
discontinue 900/901 SFO-FRA
discontinue 930/955 SFO-LHR
start additional service FRA-ORD
start additional service LHR-ORD
start additional service IAD-ORD

Can anybody confirm this?



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (11 years 6 months 5 hours ago) and read 4465 times:

Every flight I've been on to AMS from IAD has been packed full.

Goes to show what I know.  Smile

I can't imagine that its a good idea to stop serving Europe from SFO.

But again, what do I know.  Smile

N


User currently offlineN777UA From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 6 months 5 hours ago) and read 4451 times:

I can tell you right now that the west coast to Europe flights won't be stopping, those are very popular flights. They could be downgaged from 777s to 767-300, but won't be stopped.

User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 6 months 5 hours ago) and read 4450 times:

So what??  Insane Wonder to know why United will be discontinued with some of European cities to BRU, FRA, CDG, LHR, MUC flight on UA and I do knew that was always flight is full on the route from FRA-SFO flight on B777 aircraft and LH was used service to FRA, too. SO what is need get expanded more flight out ORD? Please let us know! Thanks!

User currently offlineShamrock1Heavy From Ireland, joined Nov 2002, 250 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 years 6 months 5 hours ago) and read 4444 times:

When will they discontinue the SFO-LHR??? I am flying that in june!!!



when in hell, we'll do shots at the bar
User currently offline9V-SPF From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1375 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (11 years 6 months 5 hours ago) and read 4427 times:

A bit off topic, sorry, but I didn´t want to start a whole thread because of this:
I´ve seen a couple of UA B744s at FRA (yesterday there were two of them parked on the apron at about 10:30am). Does anybody know if they will continue to serve FRA with their 744s or whether it was just a substitution for some days?

Sad to see IAD-MUC go (although it might be the right decision, in contrast to stopping SFO-Europe flights, maybe LH would then start additional frequencies?)

Daniel


User currently offlineLfutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3333 posts, RR: 27
Reply 6, posted (11 years 6 months 5 hours ago) and read 4410 times:
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How full are the IAD-AMS and ORD-AMS sectors? Most likely they would probably downgrade EU svc.

Leo/ORD



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User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (11 years 6 months 5 hours ago) and read 4400 times:

So...did you make that up, or are your "inside sources" the janitors?

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L


User currently offlineRai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 6 months 5 hours ago) and read 4409 times:

I'm surprised they don't cut their Latin American routes...they probably lose more money.

User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (11 years 6 months 5 hours ago) and read 4387 times:

SFO-LHR being axed is unlikely IMO.IAD is the weakest of UA's 4 hubs so downgrading there would not be a surprise.

User currently offlineTom_eddf From Germany, joined Apr 2000, 451 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (11 years 6 months 4 hours ago) and read 4355 times:

9V-SPF: I think that all of UA's 744s to FRA were military charters to the US Airbase located south of the civil airport.

User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 6 months 4 hours ago) and read 4293 times:

eh, SFO-LHR is pretty intact.

I also ask who your sources are. My friends in Fleet Planning are laughing at this post. :P :P :P

-n


User currently offline764 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 623 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 years 6 months 3 hours ago) and read 4256 times:

As to my sources: They are within United, but they are not always completely reliable. I was surprised to see SFO cut that badly. Cutting BRU, MUC and possibly AMS seems reasonable though, as those could be served through London and Frankfurt respectively using LH and BD feeders. Actually that has been discussed before.

But thinking about SFO, maybe it'd make sense to have ORD strengthened as hub for European flights and possibly also IAD. I have heard people discuss a restructuring of the US network, having ORD as central hub, IAD for Atlantic flights only, SFO for Pacific flights and have a stronger link between SFO,ORD,IAD. Obviously that would reduce DEN's role in UA's route network. But this is just speculation.


User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (11 years 6 months 2 hours ago) and read 4187 times:

I seriously doubt that the IAD-BRU and the IAD-AMS flites will go to the wayside. These flights have been full for a long time as well as the IAD-MUC flites. I would wait and see if any news comes from WHQ anytime soon. I have yet to speak to any of my sources at UA so hopefully I will hear something soon.


I Don't know where I am anymore
User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (11 years 6 months 2 hours ago) and read 4170 times:

Apparently the DUS flight was full often but the yields were poor.Shame.

User currently offlineHaveric From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1247 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (11 years 6 months 2 hours ago) and read 4168 times:

The AMS cut may be related to a possible codeshare on US PHL-AMS. Of course, US cut their BRU fights many months ago...

Eric


User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 6 months 2 hours ago) and read 4152 times:

Full flights does not indicate high loads.

But if UA cuts it's 2 daily BRU flights, almost no direct flights to America are left anymore...

 Wow!

I hope this is not true...

/Frederic


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (11 years 6 months 2 hours ago) and read 4144 times:

discontinue 946/947 IAD-AMS
discontinue 966/967 ORD-AMS
close AMS station


This still leaves the AMS-LHR flight or has your insider forgotten that AMS has three daily flights to AMS during the summer months?

Anyway, KL, CO, NW and DL will be very pleased if UA leaves AMS (unlike most travel agents and travellers)


User currently offlineJosseposse From Netherlands, joined Jan 2003, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (11 years 6 months ago) and read 4040 times:

Cut all that European service? They could rather quit flying altogether, then. Crap and nonsense.

Indeed, UA has AMS-LHR flights, so either your source was inaccurate, or unreliable, and possibly both.

I'm a little biased, maybe. UA is my outmost favorite carrier from AMS towards the US. Would be a shame to see them leaving.


User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 6 months ago) and read 4006 times:

DUS died when they moved it from ORD to IAD. This was a pure money-saving move, as UA saw that 78% of all passengers on the DUS flight were coming from cities west of the 'River (mississippi) and figured they'd connect in IAD and NOT ORD...

but we know how bright UA Mgt really is....

finger paint anyone?

-n


User currently offlineCody From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1931 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3939 times:

As most of us already know, the face of United is about to change drastically. Sounds like the whole mission statement may be revised. So even though these rumors cannot be confirmed, nothing would surprise me. Throw in a war with Iraq and dropping the European routes may be the only option.

User currently offlineN777UA From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3903 times:

Cody is right, United is changing drastically. But certain things will not change. United will still be a full service worldwide carrier. We will still serve 5 continents, and will still be a member of the Star Alliance.

Europe and Latin America will be scaled back, but United will continue to serve the major cities such as London, Paris, Frankfurt, Amsterdam, and Brussels.

The core of the new United's international reach will be the Pacific, where along with NW, is the only US carrier with a rather sizeable structure.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 22, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3755 times:

SegmentKing-

West of the Mississippi? Seems if that were true, it'd be backwards logic to move it to the very East coast hub.

Not that I doubt they'd employ backwards logic.

N


User currently offlineBritair From United Kingdom, joined Aug 1999, 933 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3676 times:

Doesnt UA fly two flights LHR-SFO a day??....so that means they are only cutting one, not discontinuing the route altogether. Sorry to say it but if they dont do things like all the suspensions mentioned they are never going to survive. Sounds rational to me.

User currently offline764 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 623 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3656 times:

Yes, they are said to keep one LHR-SFO

25 764 : ... but they have now mortgaged some of their LHR slots. So who knows... Biggest mistake in my opinion.
26 Donder10 : Maybe they will add another ORD flight from the SFO flight being dropped?Will the 1 daily now get a 744? A few summers back we got 3 UA 744s a day!How
27 RayChuang : I think UA will continue SFO-LHR service using one 747-400 flight per day. People forget this is a very high-yield route like LAX-LHR.
28 ContinentalEWR : I think UA will maintain the LHR schedules pretty much as they are. These are valuable and money making routes. The CDG station will probably also rem
29 ContinentalEWR : What about UA's JFK-LHR route? UA has two dailies (down from three) plus one from EWR....but compared with BA, VS, AA, UA is not a big player in the N
30 Nickofatlanta : Unless Bermuda II is changed, I think UA would have to sell its LHR slots as a single package. Remember only two US airlines can serve LHR. Selling JF
31 Singapore_Air : "discontinue 930/955 SFO-LHR" OI! I might need that. Grr!
32 LJ : This still leaves the AMS-LHR flight or has your insider forgotten that AMS has three daily flights to AMS during the summer months? I've to correct m
33 Post contains links Capt.Picard : Very interesting article in today's Times (London), reporting UA's mortgaging of all its UK slots as collateral emergency funding, short excerpt : "UN
34 Bicoastal : Maybe we should look at this as less of a "United cutting back" issue and more of a "optimizing Star Alliance" issue. With the strong coverage by Unit
35 Post contains images PW100 : Bicoastal said: . . . if the cargo and passenger yields don't justify so many frequencies, then cut them. Full planes of people on cut rate tickets an
36 Bobnwa : Bicoastal, Please list what cities you consider as "first tier" and "second tier." I think Copenhagen is a stretch as first tier if Amsterdam is secon
37 Donder10 : OI! I might need that. Grr! Perhaps you should ring up SQ head office and ask them to help their alliance partner to maintain this service? LHR-SFO is
38 LJ : I wouldn't mind having to change planes in either London, Copenhagen or Frankfurt to get to Munich, Amsterdam, Brussels or other "second tier" Europea
39 764 : Well, I do not really see KLNW as an alternative for UA on any route. Just a few reasons: Economy Plus, In Seat Video, Curteous Service, etc. I person
40 Johnnybgoode : MUC isn't that much of a big destination market either i disagree on that one. although MUC cannot be mentioned in a sentence with LHR, CDG and FRA, i
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