Ual777contrail From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3497 times:
I was looking through the database and came across these old PAN AM pictures of LHR.
The thing that strikes me is that they are narrow bodies, so my question is this.
Did PAN AM have a domestic operation in the UK?
Did they operate these flights daily? I was kind of shocked to see this small a narrow body over there.
How big was PAN AM's operation over there?
Garuda From Indonesia, joined Nov 2000, 584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3463 times:
I know Pan Am used to have intra-Europe flights... The bomb that downed the flight 103 on Lockerbie was originated in Frankfurt, it was carried on board PA's B727 from FRA to LHR, then tranferred to the B747.
I'm sure the had lots of routes from LHR, but i'm not sure what the cities they served.
Skyhawk From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1066 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3411 times:
As a former Pan Amer, I can tell you that the routes that PanAm flew into and out of Germany were called their IGS routes(Intra German System). We flew into Stuttgart, Berlin, Dusseldorf, Hamburg, amongst others. All with 737's, the inflight service(in anticipation of the question) was a plastic bag with the snack inside that the passengers collected as they got on. If they forgot, then they didn't have anything to eat. The beverage was served inflight and beer and wine was comp. From what I remember, 727's weren't the IGS flights. Until 1982 US citizens were allowed to be based in Berlin as Flight attendants when(in June of that year) the German government said that no longer would they allow US citizens take the job away from a German citizen. At that point all US nationals had to transfer from the Berlin base to a base here in the states.
Clipper471 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 726 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3363 times:
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Further info on the routes operated from the LHR base... At the time of the sale of LHR routes to UAL PAA also trasferred routes from LHR to Amsterdam, Berlin, Brussels, Hamburg, Helsinki, Munich and Oslo.
Airchabum From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 769 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3234 times:
Re the point about not allowing local traffic, I think they did because my first scheduled flight was on Pan Am between LHR and FRA in 1984. We flew out on a 747 which was then going on to DEL or BOM, and flew back on a 737.
Mariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24635 posts, RR: 86
Reply 10, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3211 times:
Actually, local traffic was allowed, certainly out of and in to Berlin.
The only western airlines allowed to fly from West Germany over East German airspace to and from Berlin were French, British and US, as the occupying powers.
It was a financial gold mine for Pan Am - and misery for the pax. The flights were constantly over-booked, and on three occasions (out of four) I couldn't get on flights I had booked from or to Berlin.
Tango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3788 posts, RR: 29
Reply 13, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3092 times:
The point made by ContinentalEWR concerning United flight numbers on the LHR-EDI route, evokes another point. The route was indeed operated by British Midland -- UA's codeshare with BD for connections from LHR to EDI as well as several other points within the U.K. predates the Star Alliance under which the arrangement continues today. At no point did any U.S. airline operate services within the U.K., even on an "international connecting traffic only/no local traffic" basis.
Panamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4792 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3012 times:
Pan Am operated nonstop flights at varying points in the eighties from LHR to AMS, BRU, FRA, DUS, HAM, MUC, CPH, and FBU, whileTXL was served with one-stop service through HAM. At the time of the sale of the LHR slots to UA, only LHR to AMS, BRU, FRA, HAM, and MUC remained. Most of these were served with 727s and 737s except for FRA (multiple flights a day with a combination of 747s and 727s). PA could not carry local traffic on most of these routes except for the flights to FRA, HAM, and MUC.
FRA was another big hub, which not only had IGS service (as someone previously mentioned), but also nonstops to SVO, WAW, BUD, OTP, PRG, ATH, ARN, ZAG, BEG, DBV, IST, DEL, BOM, KHI, and even NBO for a short period. Most of these were served with 727s except for DEL/BOM/KHI (747s), and NBO (A310s).
MxCtrlr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2485 posts, RR: 36
Reply 15, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2915 times:
PA operated IGS flights with 727-100's up until "Fast Eddie" (Acker) came on board and brought his ex-UAL, ex-QH (Air Florida) 737-200's with him (along with Mrs. Acker's astronomical lease rates). As a sidebar to this story, the QH 737 that went down in DCA (QH90) had "stolen" Pan Am parts on it that, without the crash, PA would have never known were stolen in the first place since that aircraft (N62AF) was slated to transfer to PA just 2 weeks later. It was strange that, as soon as Fast Eddie was run out of Dodge, his 737-200's went with him!
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American 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3649 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2865 times:
Back in the late 80's, Pan Am flew A310's from LHR to BRU. But you're right, other that that, for a long time Pan Am flew 727's and 737-200's from LHR to BRU. I used to fly Pan Am quite a bit, I had always a 747-100 from JFK to LHR connecting on a 737-200 to BRU, if not a 737-200 a 727-200. My parents flew once on an A310 from LHR to BRU. Pan Am was in Terminal 3 in Heathrow. I remember very well.