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User currently offlineChi-town From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 971 posts, RR: 5
Posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4357 times:

I know that Southwest has hubs at Dallas-Love and Chicago-Midway. Do they have any others??

Thanks
Steve

PS...Which is their biggest hub?

Sorry! PPS...Any new cities that Southwest will be serving soon??

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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8309 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4350 times:

Technically, Southwest doesn't have any hubs.


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User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3529 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4344 times:

Actually, WN does not operate hubs. They operate a point-to-point network, with some airports having significant amounts of service, such as PHX, LAS, LUV, and LAX.

User currently offlineCoAir@IAH From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4338 times:

Sure, sure...blow off Houston like that.

Seriously, though, where does Houston rank on WN's daily flight movements?



User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4333 times:

WN is more of a 'Point-to-Point' carrier than one with a traditional 'Hub and spoke' system. WN Cities with large operations include HOU, LAS, PHX, and BWI.

I'm sure OPNLguy could provide copious insight on this thread.



User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4314 times:

From Southwest's site

PHX 181 daily departures
LAS 171
BWI 144
HOU 141
MDW 130
DAL 130
OAK 123
LAX 118
BNA 86
SAN 80


User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5154 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4298 times:

Guess you might say WN has rolling hubs....they don't schedule in banks but connections are available at many points throughout the US.


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User currently offlineAtcboy73 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1100 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4285 times:

Im hoping you will be able to add MCI to that list of top ten airports soon. They are taking over 6 or so gates and I believe they will have a total of 13. Could this translate into 130 flights a day for MCI.

At 130 flights a day could it be called an important station (hub) in the SW system?


User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4278 times:

What about TPA and MCO? They have a ton of Southwest at both of these airports

User currently offlineAtcboy73 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1100 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4266 times:

WOW


BWI already up to 144!


User currently offlineFlyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2282 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4261 times:

Southwest also has significant operations in STL.

User currently offlineGoingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4250 times:

MCI most likely will grow. They already route several connections thru here. Right now, it's just barely off their top ten cities.

User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6499 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4231 times:

No, TPA & MCO top pout at around 60


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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4224 times:

Dont forget about MSY.... aside from WN's previous 8 gates, they've just purchased 5 from CO and plan to take 8 from NW & US as soon as they can be facilitated in the west terminal! As that happens, MSY will rival PHX for most WN gates of any airport  Sad

User currently offlineAtcboy73 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1100 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4164 times:

How many gates do they have at PHX?

User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4157 times:

From Southwest's site

PHX 21 (# of gates per WN station)
LAS 19
BWI 21
HOU 15
MDW 14
DAL 14
OAK 13
LAX 12
BNA 10
SAN 9


User currently offlineLt-AWACS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4090 times:

here is the whole list link, this should answer all your questions.

From Southwest.com
[url]http://www.southwest.com/about_swa/press/factsheet.html[/url]

City/............Daily Deps/....#ofGates/..NonstopCities/ Year established
Phoenix ..................181....... 21....... 38........ 1982
Las Vegas ..............171...... 19........ 42........ 1982
Baltimore/Wash....... 144...... 21 ........34 ........1993
Houston Hobby ........141...... 15........ 25........ 1971
Chicago Midway........ 130..... 14........ 29........ 1985
Dallas (Love)............130....... 14....... 13........ 1971
Oakland................... 123..... 13....... 19........ 1989
Los Angeles (LAX).... 118...... 12....... 19......... 1982
Nashville ................86........ 10....... 28......... 1986
San Diego................ 80....... 9......... 14 ......1982

oh post edit: THis is as of December 5, 2002

Ciao, and Hook 'em Horns,
Lt-AWACS, Yankee Air Pirate




[Edited 2003-01-29 05:03:51]

User currently offlineFutureatp From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4091 times:

For those with questions or comments about southwest service at mci. mci used to be in the top ten. Southwest actually pulled back service a little or just stopped expanding while expanding else where. I think due to the fact they started transcon or at least longer segments with the-700. But with vanguard gone, and what appeared to me was reworking security at the southwest gates at mci to make connecting thier easier, I look for a southwest expansion at mci.

I was in terminal B 2 weeks ago at mci flying on delta. The newly redone terminal interior looks very impresive to me.

john


User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6305 posts, RR: 33
Reply 18, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4059 times:

I've known that PHX has been the busiest WN city almost from the start but BWI and LAS come as a bit of a surprise. I truly would have thought that HOU was still a close second. Oh well, I no longer have the time or desire to read timetables monthly. Do hard copies even exist anymore?


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User currently offlineLt-AWACS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4042 times:

They have printed sched.s at the ticket counters for SWA. They come out quarterly. You can get on a mailing list for them also or could in teh past.

Maybe SWA will get more gates at HOU when the construction is finished???

I know looking at some the earlier lists, like the one I posted above HOU was third for a while.

Ciao, and Hook 'em Horns,
Lt-AWACS, Yankee Air Pirate


User currently offlineAsianaAirlines From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 198 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4030 times:

I heard that in 5 years from now, Baltimore will be Southwest's largest city with the most daily departures. Southwest is for sure conquering BWI. I remember a couple of years back, they only had 2 or 3 gates!

User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3856 posts, RR: 34
Reply 21, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4017 times:

Maybe SWA will get more gates at HOU when the construction is finished???

Yes, they will. I keep hearing that their new concourse, which was originally supposed to have been completed in October 2002, should be opening in a few weeks. When Southwest moves over they will occupy all 24 gates.

LoneStarMike

User currently offlineElwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4014 times:

WN in MCI has 8 gates. If they are adding six, as previously stated, then it will bring them up to 14, which will be one of their largest (by gates). Currently, most WN flights at MCI are scheduled in banks of 4-8 aircraft, and they total at (last count I had) 78 flights per day.

In reality, all WN cities are hubs. Some are far more important, but others are not. The fact is, you can end up making a connection ANYWHERE on the WN system. So to say that WN is point-to-point is true, but in fact it is a "multi-mini-hub system". No small stations, just a bunch of medium-sized ones with a few large ones in strategic locations.



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User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4507 posts, RR: 34
Reply 23, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4007 times:

Southwest's BWI hub is a juggernaut that's going to grow a *lot* more in the next five years, as noted. A week or two ago LoneStarMike posted an article from a major WN-market newspaper about their growth strategy at BWI. BWI is building a 26-gate expansion for WN.

A big reason that BWI is slated to grow so much, is that there isn't another airport so perfectly suited to WN on the East Coast. It's located in a huge O & D market; it's excellently located for north-south and some east-west connections in a densely populated part of the USA; and finally, it's a big and underserved airport in a huge market.

Also not to be forgotten: the State of Maryland runs BWI, and has sunk big bucks to expand it for WN (US squatted for years on old Piedmont gates to thwart WN; MD gave them the finger and expanded WN's concourse). BWI also has far fewer NIMBY problems because of being state-operated.

Jim



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User currently offlineONT 737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 590 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3983 times:

With the new addition at BWI WN's gates will double in number. Now if BWI could just turn 15L/33R into a real runway so they could handle independant landings.....(its only 5,000x100 now)  Big thumbs up


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25 Gigneil : US used to have some decent service to BWI, and then of course there was the Metrojet failure. I actually flew Metrojet once or twice, when it had a l
26 RayChuang : I believe that PHX is the closest thing on the US West Coast for a WN hub because many WN passengers transit through that airport. I remember the old
27 Cloudy : On the definition of a "hub" It used to be said that for an airport to be a hub, it had to have banked flights. With banked flights, an Airline bring
28 Lgbguy : Hey don't forget us here at SNA (Orange County), we may be small 26 flights a day, but we make lots and lots of $$$$$$$$$ for the company. lgbguy SNA
29 OzarkD9S : Delta and Braniff had hubs in ATL and DFW respectively long before AA had a hub anywhere.
30 Nicksair : WN's Ops At SAN Are Now Up To 90 Flights A Day And 10 Gates All In The Eastern Part Of Terminal 1 Regards, Nick KSAN/KLAX/KSJC
31 FlyingTexan : In reality, all WN cities are hubs. Some are far more important, but others are not. The fact is, you can end up making a connection ANYWHERE on the W
32 DesertJets : At some point a thrid south concourse for Terminal 4 at PHX will be built, primarily for Southwest. This would net them ten additional gates, which wo
33 Fpdonald : FA Crew domiciles are at OAK, PHX, DAL, HOU, MDW, BWI and MCO so it could be argued that those are the hubs. LAS is still rumored, but doesn't look li
34 Skymileman : I don't know if you could call it a hub, but they have quite a few gates at slc. -LMP
35 Elwood64151 : Ozark D9S: You're correct, but AA was the first to really recognize the hub-and-spoke system for what it was and schedule it's flights to take advanta
36 Scottb : Actually, it could easily be argued that American's decision to depeak its hubs at ORD and DFW was driven by Southwest's success in operating its poin
37 Jsnww81 : It might have been mentioned before, but Southwest has definitely built up its operation at BNA since American scaled back (and scaled back again.) Fi
38 ONT 737 : Lgbguy, WN has definatly been becoming a big contender in SNA lately. They did a great job in picking up open slots after the 9/11 cutbacks. I remembe
39 STT757 : I've also read that WN has big plans for BWI, making it their biggest hub/station within the next few years.
40 LoneStarMike : I wonder which of the 59 airports Southwest serves could be considered "fortress cities", keeping in mind that the FAA defines a fortress hub as an ai
41 Post contains links FATFlyer : This file gives the 2001 market share for all WN airports. http://www.spiritmag.com/pdfs/enplane.pdf The airports where WN had over 50% of the enplane
42 Jjbiv : That MDW number looks very high -- either that, or things have changed rapidly since 2001 ended. ATA now leads MDW by quite a margin. joe
43 LoneStarMike : Thanks for the statistics, FATFlyer, although I'd have to agree with Jjblv that the MDW figure has changed since 2001. I know Southwest's market share
44 LV : Speaking of BNA and WN building up at old hubs....any expansion plans for RDU?
45 ONT 737 : According to the 2003 Aviation and Aerospace Almanac...... -ABQ 1.WN 52.5% 2.DL 8.5% -AUS 1.WN 36.6% 2.AA 23.7% -MDW 1.WN 44.4% 2.ATA 33% -BWI 1.WN 39
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