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My Friend Crashed His Rented Cessna  
User currently offlineFlyboy36y From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3039 posts, RR: 7
Posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2446 times:

Just thought I'd let you know my friend stalled at 500 feet on a go-around and hit a tree. The plane then hit some power lines and crashed. This most likeley happened because he did not do weight and balance. Him and his friends (3 friends) are alive, but some are hurt. This was a Cessna 172 in New Mexico.

Just a reminder.... DO YOUR CHECKLISTS, YOU NEVER KNOW WHICK FLIGHT WILL BE YOUR LAST (either cuz you die or you licence gets pulled).

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User currently offlineDuff From New Zealand, joined Oct 2001, 117 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2427 times:

Not sure you should make that post public just yet.

User currently offlineFlyboy36y From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3039 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2421 times:


hehe....


User currently offlineLamyl_hhlco From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 621 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2408 times:

it's just a warning and he's right, most of private pilots never use their check list and barely do a preflight and weight and balance. Accident happens of course , but you can avoid them at 90% if you do things as the regulation requires. For the story , I had years ago a flight out of Tulsa on a C152, and during my preflight check i've noticed at my left main wheel that the brakes disk was loose. I called my instructeur and he said he would never have noticed that if i didn't, we could have crashed at the landing. So just be carrefull when you fly and DO your preflight check all the time, it's Important!

Lamyl


User currently offlineLufthansa404 From Germany, joined Aug 2001, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2373 times:

Yep, totally worth it and it dont cost anything. Although it can cost your life not doing it  Smile


User currently offline707cmf From France, joined Mar 2002, 4885 posts, RR: 29
Reply 5, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2326 times:

Entirely agree.

Preflight is vitally important, so is weight and balance. (and the preflight also gives you the opportunity to talk to the plane and to hug it...)

Last crash at my airport (we don't have many, and that one a few weeks ago was kinda spectacular ) involved a single piston engine aircraft. The moron took of with frost on the wings (bad bad bad), 3 people on board (pilot + 2 pax) + 80 kg of luggage (that is a lot for a 120 HP engine) he exceeded the allowed load, and the gravity center was way too much to the rear. Sure enought, he stalled a few seconds after take off and crashed into a farm hangar (50 meters from a gas station !!!). I don't know where he picked his luck, but he is still alive (the way he crashed, nobody should have normally survived)...
How much you bet he hadn't done the preflight ?

BTW, I'm glad your friend did not die. I have just one comment to say about him. The simple fact that he went around proves that he is serious and hopefully will plead in his favour.

Antoine, always serious when doing his preflight



User currently offlineFlyboy36y From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3039 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2324 times:

I remember I did a preflight once on a plane that a kid before be just soloed. The alternator belt was half off, he missed it, but got lucky. I found it, did not fly that day, but slept VERY well that night.

User currently offlineSppl24 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2152 times:

I don't think this should of been posted until the report comes out. I know if I was your "friend" I would be pissed at you. That said the fact he was flying around makes it less likely that it was a weight and balance issue. 172s with the flaps down tend to pull up and require a lot of pressure to keep the nose down on landing you tend to have a lot of nose up trim. Also a 172 won't climb with full flaps. It could of been any number of things. Your not helping your friend any by posting this here.



User currently offlineJetguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2108 times:

I'm sorry to hear about your friend. Flying is a lot of fun and it's easy to let yourself become complacient. I'm afraid that your friend is about to learn yet another very important lesson...

If you are flying a rented, borrowed, or flying club aircraft make sure you understand your insurance and liability status. Verify that you are personally covered while you are flying the aircraft. In many cases, you are not personally covered when you fly other people's aircraft. In the event of an accident, if you are not personally covered, you may find yourself in a position where the insurance covers the aircraft and aircraft owner (the FBO) but not the pilot (you). In these cases, the insurance company will pay the owner for his covered losses and then go after the pilot (you) to recover the money that they paid out. This is called subrogation. Needless to say, this could be financially devastating for you and your family - airplanes, even trainers, aren't cheap. Fortunately, there are two or three aviation insurance companies that offer very reasonably priced “non-owner” aircraft insurance policies. Information on these policies is readily available at most FBOs, in most aviation magazines, or through your local aviation insurance agent.

Jetguy


User currently offlineLufthansa404 From Germany, joined Aug 2001, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2073 times:

"Also a 172 won't climb with full flaps"

Can anyone really confirm this. I mean it sounds logical someway, but no climb at all even with full power?

Whats the official procedure to do when having to go around at full flaps?

Thanks

Jan


User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2060 times:

it wont maintain a good climb at all. If you go around with full flaps, you have to decrease the flap setting gradually as you build speed. Of course, you don't want to take off all the flaps, unless you want to be a part of the scenery. With full flaps, there is simply too much drag for the aircraft to climb properly.


"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineDrewwright From United States of America, joined May 2001, 621 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2045 times:

On a 172 if you need to do a go around you apply full power. Once you reach about 70 kts you start putting up the flaps one notch at a time. NEVER throw up the flaps all at once or the plane will settle (or worse yet stall), which is just as bad as trying a go around with full flaps. If for some reason the flaps wont retract you better keep the nose down and trade altitude for airspeed. Cessna 172s will climb on full flaps but VERY slowly. I doubt with three people on board that the pilot in the post could even muster a climb at all. I hope that the pilot and passengers will be ok. It is too bad that he/she had to learn the hard way.

DRW


User currently offlineKevin82277 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1998 times:

Working as a baggage handler in CAE once, I noticed on at B1900 that the left main tire was flat. This is an airliner and the FO should have done a walk around. I pointed it out to the captain and the flight was cancelled. Just to show that it doens't always happen to in GA world.

Kevin


User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6202 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1933 times:

I hope your friend recovers soon.


Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
User currently offlineKAUSpilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1958 posts, RR: 33
Reply 14, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1904 times:

The 172 really doesn't climb too well with flaps 40, especially if you're trying to pull out of a descent. Will it climb at all with Flaps 40 and full power? This depends on your density altitude, but even then it will be at less than 100 feet per minute and it would take quite some time to transition from a 500 feet per minute descent to a climb with flaps 40. You don't have this much time and altitude to spare in a go-around.

However, if you attempth to retract the flaps all at once, the resulting decrease in lift will have a greater effect on your sink rate than the decrease in drag. In effect, you'll sink faster than you would with the flaps still at 40. On go arounds I first apply full power, and right after that I put the flaps up to 20 degrees. To determine when to take out the rest of the flaps, you watch the airspeed indicator. When you get up to about 55 knots go flaps 10 and at 60 go flaps 0.

The 1977 Cessna 172N POH gives the following checlist for a "Balked Landing"

(1) Throttle -- FULL OPEN.
(2) Carburetor Heat -- COLD.
(3) Wing Flaps -- 20 degrees (immediately)
(4) Climb Speed -- 55 KIAS
(5) Wing Flaps -- 10 degrees (until obstacles are cleared)
RETRACT (after reaching a safe altitude and 60 KIAS)

As far as weight and balance, it all depends on how much fuel was in the tanks and how much he and his friends weighed. With only half full tanks you can seat four 170 pound people in most 172's and still be within Center of gravity and weight limits, assuming no baggage. However, at gross the 172 is a bit sluggish on climbout.

I wish your friend a speedy recovery. Everybody makes mistakes, but maybe we can all learn something from your friends misfortune.

[Edited 2003-01-29 22:49:58]

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