Bobcat From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0 Posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 10042 times:
Should JetBlue be afraid of "Song" by Delta?
For one thing, I know a lot of my business associates
pick JetBlue for the fact that their planes have "live"
DirecTV at every seat... they sometimes even prefer it
over getting upgraded on a competing airline...
Will "Song" have TVs on the 757s for its passengers?
Bobcat From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 10013 times:
From what I've read in Song's press releases, they don't
have plans to go trans-con....(New York to LA/SF area)
Not yet anyway....
My girlfriend said she like the idea of the new airline...
(but she likes everything that's green) She was surprised
when I told her that Song is supposed to be a low fare
airline. I also think that the amenities available on Song
somehow make the regular Delta seem like cattle cars...
Sllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 9916 times:
I think Song is a recognition that LCC is the wave of the future. Anyone not looking to operate commodity-style, low fare, major market only service. Customers demand low prices and are increasingly unwilling to fly otherwise. I think Delta's wise to start moving itself away from a "conventional" carrier and into a business model that can make money.
Frequentflier From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 422 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9713 times:
Song will in no way kill JetBlue.
JetBlue has too strong of a reputation to be shot down by such a ridiculous business plan. Song is basically a carbon copy of JetBlue with one problem. As far as I know, all of the employees will be unionized and will, therefore, have certain demands such as pay scale, benefits and hours worked. JetBlue employees, as far as I know, are non-union. While they are treated very well by Mr. Neeleman, they still do not have the demands that a unionized work force has. Song sounds like it means to concentrate on bringing an airline down. Any venture set to shut down an airline is both a ridiculous bully tactic and a dumb business move. JetBlue has a niche in New York-Florida and is developing one on the West Coast. Song will not steal that niche from JetBlue.
Sccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5875 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9651 times:
At this point, I think JetBlue has achieved a degree of "critical mass" and, absent some dramatic and unexpected events, will be a part of the competetive landscape for the reasonably foreseeable future.
That said, Neeleman's plans rely upon wages and work rules which are dramatically less favorable (to employees) than most of its competitors; that will not last forever. Blue's challenge, then, will be to maintain the harmony through several wage negotiation rounds.
It is in vogue, now, to assert that traditional network carriers are dead behemoths, and indeed some are; but if Delta plans well and executes well, there's no doubt they can be a real force.
...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
727_Gal From United States of America, joined Sep 2002, 325 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9590 times:
I'm not going to play the funeral march for either jetBlue or Song just yet. Maybe these two can coexist in (relative) harmony? After all, B6 has been around long enough, and is the type of airline where it already has a fairly loyal customer base, I'd imagine. Probably those people will fly Song once to see what it's like, and then they'll either decide to stick with B6 or change over. After all, B6 and Song sound like relatively similar airlines, just like all the majors are, in essence, similar (at least domestically). The majors have managed to coexist, so I feel that these will too.
Ouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4646 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9553 times:
The features Song will have will be more extensive than JetBlue - for now. As stated...Song will fly paid off 757s with 199 seats and minimum staffing requirements. The comments about unions is totally incorrect and shows a lack of knowledge for Delta - one of the least unionized airlines in the nation. One good thing that may come of this...753s may find yet another home. Anyways...the general thought behind Song has been this will be the future of Delta's domestic mainline product - if it works out. Atlanta has enough "banks" in it right now to just run a rolling hub without the banks...then again Cincinnati isn't far behind, but it is mostly RJs - still between 6-9 flights per day on any one route.
The trumpets are sounding over Fort Widget for the first time in years. Time to see what the old southern belle has in her (most of us know you don't piss off a girl from the south, let alone Georgia. ).
Jrlander From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9491 times:
"JetBlue owns New York."
Well... that's a wee bit of an exagerration, now, isn't it? JetBlue is a strong presence in the marketplace, but has a market share that doesn't touch CAL's, AA's, and DAL's. It serves one airport in the city, the other's serve 3. JetBlue is, if I remember, the largest domestic carrier at JFK in terms of passengers, but AA and DAL both have huge international operations there.
JetBlue does not, nor will any one airline, ever "own" NYC.
Oflove13 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9447 times:
Song is going to use Furlouged delta flight attendants. these flight attendants will have to sign a contract for 2,3 or 5 yrs, but when they do sign on they give back there call back rights, but when there contract is up if there is an opening at mainline delta they will be able to go back.they were looking for 771 f/a's and they got over 2500. I dont think there will be a big turnover rate there, because if they leave they lose there chace to getting back in with delta.
As for unions last time i checked JB was not unionized either, i dont see a big turnover rate there. I think song will give JB a run for there money, ill fly song just because those air buses scare the hell out of me. either way this should be fun to watch