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Air Canada A340-500's  
User currently offlineSAA201 From South Africa, joined May 2001, 512 posts, RR: 2
Posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8302 times:

Hi all,

I recall reading some time back that Air Canada has postponed delivery of their A340-500's that were to have been delivered early this year. Can anyone confirm the new delivery dates for the aircraft now?

Also, what was the total amount of A345's ordered by AC and what routes will they be used on? What cabin config?

Many thanks

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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8218 times:

They ordered 2.

Who knows when they'll get them.

N


User currently offlineRP TPA From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8151 times:

AC's 2 A340-500,s should be delivered to them around April or May of this year. They were supposed to have been here late last year, but I believe due to a production delay at Airbus they were held up for a few months. AC will use them on either the YYZ-HKG or YVR-SYD route.

The 3 A340-600's were postponed until sometime in 2004. That was AC's choice, due to the poor airline environment.


User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8006 times:

I heard the A340-500's would be used to Korea (I think?). The Sydney flight was to use A340-300's and stopping in Hawaii, if I'm not mistaken. I could be way off, of course.


"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7971 times:

The likely routes are YYZ-HKG and/or YVR-SYD.

The proposed YYZ-SEL route would use the 343.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7903 times:

LOL Nuno!!

Airbus not Air Canada have delayed the -500's there are having some production/certification problems...AC doesnt mind cuz they can't afford them anyway  Smile They were pushed from October 2002 to March 2003, and now it looks more like May or June 2003...the -600 should still be around in 2004...that is if Air Canada still is  Big grin



"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7871 times:

Just saying what I heard, don't know if there's truth to it. Hong Kong makes more sense as it is further and arguably a more important route. I doubt Sydney will see the A345 though.


"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 7846 times:

Ya, I put my money on YYZ-HKG.

Of course, the 345 will be DELIVERED to YUL no doubt.  Yeah sure




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 8, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7750 times:

They filed for a variety of routes for it. YVR-SYD was one of them, as was YVR-HKG.

N


User currently offlineGmonney From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2159 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7736 times:

And if i can arrange it, when they opperate a revenue flight from YUL-YYZ, I want to be on it!!

I will do some more research soon,

Grant



Drive it like you stole it!
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4976 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7684 times:

Neil,

DONT COMPLAIN !  Big thumbs up

It will be special to know that the Montreal will be the last airport to see the A340-500 after the delivery flight ..


User currently offlineSamurai 777 From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 2458 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7587 times:

YYZ-HKG and YVR-SYD are apparently the top two contender. YYZ-HKG might be picked first, given that this is a business route. However, YCR-SYD might have a pretty goood chance, too, because then you can bypass HNL and those %@^%$&* security measures where you have to deplane, claim your baggage, go thru US Customs, then check your bags, then go through security, and finally back on the plane!

User currently offlineCessnapimp From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 1320 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7585 times:

Ahem Slawko....


Toronto (YYZ) - Hong Kong (HKG) v.v.

AC 11 345 1234567 29MAR03 24OCT03 YYZ 10:15 HKG 14:10+1

AC 6 345 1234567 30MAR03 25OCT03 HKG 15:55 YYZ

Vancouver (YVR) - Honolulu (HNL) - Sydney (SYD) v.v.

AC 33 76C 1234567 28MAR03 23OCT03 YVR 19:00 HNL 21:55
HNL 00:30+1 SYD 07:10+2
AC 49 345 1234567 28MAR03 23OCT03 YVR 22:00 SYD 06:40+2


AC 34 76C 1234567 30MAR03 25OCT03 SYD 09:30 HNL 23:20-1 HNL 01:25+1 YVR 10:00
AC 50 345 1234567 30MAR03 25OCT03 SYD 12:00 YVR


There ya goes...

Grégoire


User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7564 times:

Greg where is that info from...ACA website has no such flights on the schedule, and I have read from a number of different places including YYZnews that they are delayed...Air Canada is still the launch customer, but Airbus is pushing back the delivery to early summer....


"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 14, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7540 times:

http://www.iata.org.

Check the schedules filed at the conference for Air Canada.

The A345 is being pushed back for two reasons. #1 is either AC's or Airbus' decision to change the interior substantially from what it was, requiring additional certification apparently.

#2 of course is the insufficiency of the center main landing gear, as discovered on the 346. They're gonna get all the A345s repaired before the customer gets them, which is good policy.

N


User currently offlineSamurai 777 From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 2458 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7510 times:

I cannot find anything about skeds filed for Air Canada in iata.org.
Perhaps it might help for you to be little more specific?


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 16, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7498 times:

Sorry.

It was at http://www.iata.org/sked/schedules.asp

But they've disabled it to "enhance security".

You can request AC's draft schedule from sked@iata.org.

N


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7431 times:

A fleet of just 2 345's could not operate daily YYZ-HKG and YVR-SYD. It would have to be one or the other, or perhaps each route 3x/week with some connecting YVR-YYZ flights to rotate this massive fleet of 2 aircraft.






Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 18, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7423 times:

They will obviously only choose one or the other but not both.

They only filed for both so they could pick at a later date.

A fleet of 2 can barely operate YYZ-HKG. It can be done, but will cause very high utilization of the fleet. Which is fine, I s'pose.

N


User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4976 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7420 times:

Guys,

Dont put too much faith in the IATA draft..

Apparently for each sked, at least the majority of the proposals are slot blockers...

Mark


User currently offlineRed Panda From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2000, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7406 times:

YYZ-HKG is not a business route. There are many expirators of Hong Kong in Toronto; however, very few of them are big business people compared to those travelling b/n NY and HK, and YVR and HK. Many pax travelling b/n HKG-YYZ are for personal reasons like visiting relatives, families and friends. There are relatively few of them travelling for business reasons. Moreover, the profit margin for long haul flights like YYZ-HKG and EWR-HKG (e.g. CO 98/99) are thin especially if there is no sufficient business class travellers.

r panda


User currently offlineA340-Fan From Germany, joined Apr 2002, 252 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7343 times:

Didn' t AC decided to use the A340-600 on the YYZ-HKG, YYZ-NRT, YVR-HKG and YVR-NRT trips?
And on flights from Canada to LHR and FRA as a Jumbo replacement?

Then the two -500 could be used exclusivly for the YVR-SYD flight.


User currently offlineGuyBetsy1 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 840 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7213 times:

AC specifically bought the A340-500s to operate YYZ-HKG-YYZ year round, nonstop, with full passenger and cargo payload. HKG yields higher than SYD in terms of revenue and with such a service, AC would beat CX over their 1 stop to/from HKG flight.

User currently offlineRindt From Germany, joined May 2000, 930 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7200 times:

Possibly true, but if AC did YVR-SYD-YVR, they wouldn't face any competition on the route, like they would on YYZ-HKG-YYZ... it's gonna be a close call, as both routes have their pros and cons.

-Rob




What other people think of you is none of your business!
User currently offlineRamprat From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 188 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7054 times:

Well, did some browsing while i was ar work today and i found the inintial route for the 345's.

YYZ-NRT Flt 001
NRT-YYZ Flt 002

The earliest i can find them flying that route is June 1st, and all summer long by the looks of it. Looks like delivery will be sometime in May. Just thought I would let you know.


25 Ramprat : Sorry for the spelling in the last post. Also thought i would tell you that the comp shows 42J seats and 225Y seats.
26 Slawko : Looks like the AC website also indicates the 345 operating YYZ-NRT...
27 Gigneil : I'm sure its for the warm up period. N
28 Slawko : Sorry but what is Warm up period????
29 Gigneil : Time for the airline to familiarize themselves with the airplane. For example, CX flew their A340-500s HKG-TPE, and now HKG-LAX for some time. SAA is
30 Slawko : You are referring to Line Indoctrination or Line Indoc as it is known, where crew are able to train on the new aircraft and become certified to fly it
31 Samurai 777 : "Also thought i would tell you that the comp shows 42J seats and 225Y seats." The seating arrangement sounds closer to that of the A330-300 (44J/228Y)
32 Slawko : I checked today on their site for YYZ-NRT on June 1st and its a 345
33 Samurai 777 : Slawko, that does depend on which timetable you're using. So, I stand corrected, but only on the online booking section. It does say that the 345 is t
34 Cessnapimp : Guys, I have this funny feeling. I think AC is going to call it quits for now for the A340- 500, for HKG, SYD and quite a few more. I'm getting bad vi
35 Gigneil : Cessna- I don't believe Air Canada is leasing the A340-500s... and they can't quite cancel them now. N
36 Crj 900 : If those fools in YUL take delivery of ANY new aircraft when they are wanting us to take concessions there will be a war. AC doesn't need A345s or any
37 Yyz717 : At this late stage in the contract cycle, AC probably has no choice but to take the 345's. Given that, they should put them on new routes to maximize
38 Gigneil : Heh. Its always about war. N
39 SAA201 : Just a rumour, don't know how much truth goes with it: Apparently SAA may be considering taking over the Air Canada A340-500's. Like I said, just a ru
40 Slawko : Sure its not the -600's that SAA will/might pick up??? Thats the rumour I heard... All AC can hope for now is that Airbus finds something else wrong w
41 9V-SVC : IF the rumours are true , which SA's routes requires the range of the A345 ? Charles
42 Jbangert : I am not sure the A346 could fly Johannesburg-New York non-stop. The A345 could do it for SAA.
43 Jbangert : Talking about by-passing the troubles of a stop in Honolulu from Vancouver to Sydney, I wonder whether AC may be interested in launching a non-stop co
44 Yyz717 : I dont believe there is enough demand for YYZ- or YVR-SYD nonstops. The HNL stop enabled consolidation of flights from YYZ and YVR to feed the HNL-SYD
45 Gigneil : The A345 could definitely fly nonstop JFK-JNB and ATL-JNB as well... but I think those are very high volume routes for them. On their new plan they're
46 Yyz717 : SAA seems committed to the 346 and the new 343E. I haven't heard any mention of their interest in the 345. On the other hand, their short term lease o
47 Gigneil : AC isn't leasing the aircraft, I don't believe. They're buying them. So they could easily just sell them off. N
48 Slawko : Which also means they could just sell them and lease them back.....
49 SAA201 : SAA has been talking about starting services to Beijing and Japan. The A345's could be just the ticket for this. They may well also be used to boost f
50 Gigneil : SAA could make PEK easily with an A343 or A346. NRT is a different story. Who knows... maybe they'll put an A342 on the NRT route. I think it'd be gre
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