Kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 8537 posts, RR: 33 Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4738 times:
Preumably the 332 order is intended to replace the 762s?
By taking the 767 out of the fleet (after the 757s, which I believe have already gone), US will simplify their fleet further, with positive consequences for cost control.
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Ouboy79 From United States, joined Nov 2001, 2879 posts, RR: 30 Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4724 times:
There are still many 757s in the fleet, while only 11 767-200ERs. The 757 has a future at US a bit longer as they will be concentrated on low yeild NE-FL routes (just not as a seperate airline - i.e. Song).
Drewwright From United States, joined May 2001, 613 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4693 times:
US still does operate 757s as of 15 minutes ago when one flew past my window on approach into MCO. In fact, most of US Airways traffic into MCO is the 752.
USAFHummer From United States, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 63 Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4667 times:
US still has 34 757-200's (a mix of -225's and -2B7's)...interesting move...I agree...I think the 332 is going to replace the 762...wonder what US has planned for them...more Europe routes or domestic operations (transcons/hub-to-hub, high traffic routes) or a mix?
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Ryefly From United States, joined Jun 2000, 1349 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4647 times:
The A330-200 would be a perfect fit to replace it's 767 fleet as well has compliment it's A330-300 fleet. I always thought the jump from a 767-200 to a A330-300 was bold. The desire to have an aircraft with a capacity a little larger then the 767 but below the A330-300 will fill the gap nicely. They may not axe the 767, but with 10 orders, it looks that way in order to have just one wide body type of fleet.
Donder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6656 posts, RR: 30 Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4533 times:
Do US do any E-W trans-cons with the 752?If not,then they could replace it easily with the 321-2.I think that the new 321-2 with the heaviest MTOW can do trans-cons with a good payload.This would also help to eliminate a type(757)and replacing the 762 with 332 would again.Although,762 to 332 is quite a capacity jump!
Sllevin From United States, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 9 Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4511 times:
This doesn't actually rule out the rumors of US selling it's 333's off, possibly to NW (potentially the reason for NW reducing the capacity of it's order would be an expectation of buying capacity from US). One of the reasons I still give that credence is that I just don't see US having need for the additional capacity, and the 762's aren't going to bring an real value to US (i.e., everyone has them for sale).
However, US reducing its total capacity *does* seem to make sense.
Usairways85 From United States, joined Nov 2001, 2620 posts, RR: 9 Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4478 times:
The 332's will most likely replace the 762's on the European routes and the 321's will probably replace any domestic 762 routes. I would suspect that they are interested in more European destinations
US still has many 757's as stated, in fact 90% of the flights from PHL-MCO are 757's.
USAFHummer From United States, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 63 Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4452 times:
Most transcons have moved to the 319/320/321, I believe there still are a few with the 752 and 1 to LAX with a 762...the 757's have shifted to North-South routes primarily...
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DeltAirlines From United States, joined May 1999, 7296 posts, RR: 16 Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4422 times:
I must say that this was quite a good move on US Airways' behalf. I had a feeling that, should U make it (which it appears it will now), that they would fly the A332. It is the perfect aircraft for several of their European destinations, such as the new DUB/SNN route. It will also help to immediately open up some newer destinations (a lot of European routes have pretty good yields) and they could theoretically open up PHL-NRT. A smart move by U in my mind.
TransSwede From United States, joined Sep 2001, 993 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4349 times:
It does seem like US is planing to dump their 762's in favor of A332's. A good move in the long run.
But perhaps some of them would replace the A333's instead, to lower capacity. Although it does seem like a strange move, perhaps the A333 lease payments are so high that they want to dump them. Just a wacky theory.
TransSwede From United States, joined Sep 2001, 993 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4249 times:
Don't misunderstand - I certainly agree that the dumping of the 762 is the most likely option. An all A330 longhaul fleet seems most likely.
The A332 has a virtually dentical range to the 762 as well, so no routes will have to be dropped for range issues. And as others have stated, this opens up the possibility of new routes such as:
PHL-NRT, PHL-TLV, etc...
And imagine that - from zero to two U.S. A330-200 customers in just a few days! (NW and US)
Gigneil From United States, joined Nov 2002, 13883 posts, RR: 88 Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4228 times:
Actually, the article pretty specifically states that it will allow them to complement their existing fleet of A330-300s with the smaller -200, now that I read it again.
Wonder when they'll be delivered - certainly no sooner than 2004.
777d From United States, joined Jun 2001, 300 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4096 times:
US needsto fly the 330s or 767-200s domestically to tap the cargo revenue.
For example, LAX-PHL-CDG, they would not give up the potential for cargo revenue import and export from Europe. US needs to maximize every possiblity to generate revenue.
Gigneil From United States, joined Nov 2002, 13883 posts, RR: 88 Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4050 times:
I'm sure LAX wouldn't mind getting an A332.
But also, if I'm not mistaken, LAX gets the 762 from Charlotte. Not really the first choice for importing cargo... especially since CLT only gets 762s from Europe.
I find it interesting that about 20 A320s and 1 A333 is worth 10 A332s. Either A320s is expensive, or A332s is cheap.
ScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4011 times:
TransSwede,
How you know do that about this opens up new route from PHL-TLV or PHL-NRT flight. I don't think so that is not enough of the range or fuel saving on the Airbus A330-200/300. This really need given up on US Airways wants new Airbus A340-500 aircraft onto the route to TLV after completion of El Al from New York. It's should need get more than of Airbus A330 or A340. Well, catch ya later!
ContinentalEWR From United States, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 21 Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3933 times:
Good move. The A330's will surely replace the 767-200 fleet, which is getting old. Many routes to Europe operated by US still feature the 762, including the PHL-AMS/MUC/MAD, planned PHL-SNN/DUB, and CLT-FRA. They will also use the additional capacity of the A330 (pax and cargo) for Caribbean operations which are expanding rapidly at US for the winter travel season when traffic to Europe falls off and so do the seasonal routes (SNN/DUB).
HlywdCatft From United States, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 11 Reply 25, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3904 times:
I remember seeing USAirways fly in a 762 when I was at MCO last summer, the odd thing was it landed on the east runway too.
I believe it flew between CLT and MCO.
I wonder if they will use the A332 to MCO at all.
26 Gigneil: Scotty- The A332 has plenty of range for both PHL-NRT and PHL-TLV. PHL-NRT is only 5869 nm and TLV is only 5014nm. I'd think an A343 would probably al
27 Scootertrash: Good News! I was really kind of hoping for 767-300ERs, but the A330-200's will provide better economies of scale. It is extremely expensive to operate
28 TransSwede: A PHL-TLV route is pure speculation on my part - but since CO is apparently making a killing on their double-daily 777 EWR-TLV route, perhaps there is
29 Ba319-131: This is great news. One must remember that airlines derive a huge amount of revenue from cargo.What do you need for cargo?.....space,and the A330/340
30 Gigneil: Won't it be ironic if US emerges from bankruptcy... and UA doesn't? Then US buys all the valuable assets of UA? N
31 Ba319-131: That would be very ironic. I think US is very underated.Its staff during my travels were very motivated and helpful,which I thought was a great thing,
32 Ouboy79: Regarding NRT. Not sure exactly what it all allows, but US Airways did petition the DOT for authority to sell seats to NRT (and the rest of Japan) and
33 Godbless: A great move from US Airways. I was afraid they would replace the A333 for a new fleet of 767-300's. I just hope the airline will overcome the trouble
34 Gregg: I like the 767s, but nothing wrong with the A330s. Would be nice if US used the 767s to replace their old (eastern airlines) 757s, and possibly used
35 9V-SVC: A330 is a newer aircraft and in my opinion a better aircraft then 767 . Thats a wise move from USairways .
36 Ba319-131: It will be interesting to see if they put the 332 on transcons.What will they do at LAX,the 332 wing area is too large for terminal 1,at least I think
37 Hkgspotter1: Another Airbus order, great news. Whats the order status for this year ??
38 F.pier: It's quite interesting to realize that many of the Airbus orders go to the family 330-340. They can fit a lot of different needs and I think that it's
39 ContinentalEWR: Transwede, CO has only one daily EWR-TLV flight, not two. The second flight was dropped long ago.
40 LH423: Another Airbus order, great news. Actually, as it's already been pointed out, this is a conversion of an existing order. In fact, Airbus has actually
41 Gigneil: US only has 1 ex-Eastern 757 in their fleet at this point, I believe. The rest are much newer. The 762s could, of course, still be useful. They'd be t
42 Bobnwa: TranSwede, "CO is making a killing on their double daily 777 EWR-TLV route" Where did you get the information they are making a "killing?" I find this
43 Gigneil: I do wonder how the reduction of 18 narrowbodies will affect their fleet rationalization plan? They still have a good portion of 737s, which I'm sure
44 TransSwede: TranSwede, "CO is making a killing on their double daily 777 EWR-TLV route" Where did you get the information they are making a "killing?" I find this
45 Ouboy79: The 733s & 734s won't be going anywhere just yet. Dave has stated he has no problem picking up relatively new 733s & 4s sitting in the desert right no
46 HlywdCatft: How can US Airways afford such orders right now? Isn't Southwest even deferring orders for a while?
47 Gigneil: HlywdCatft- US is not placing new orders. They're restructuring existing ones. They still need to get rid of their older planes... especially older le
48 762er: just to point out, some of our 76's are ex piedmont birds and are very very old.
49 Mitchell Gant: "Very, very old"?!?! Wow, I didn't realize 1987 was an eon ago. Mate, what do you think about Northwest's fleet of DC-9-10's?
50 762er: old for 76s I meant although I know in comparison to dc-10s that's not too old. but they're certainly eons behind in efficiency.
51 Brons2: They still have a good portion of 737s, which I'm sure they're also quite ready to be rid of. It puts them in a strange position... they'll still have
52 Gigneil: Parking an aircraft doesn't mean you suddenly have to stop paying its lease payment. N
53 Ouboy79: Neil Yup yup. The leases on the Airbuses won't be broken...except for 29 give or take, which are currently in dispute. However, any Airbus aircraft th
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