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What Is Up With Air France  
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 51
Posted (11 years 6 months 10 hours ago) and read 5715 times:

These guys are clowns, seriously..

Tonight, is the 3rd time AF 347 needs to go to YMX due to delays..

Yesterday, AF345 came in 35 minutes late, and left after AF347.

Every day there is some crap with this airline, in either the delay/lost baggage/oversell departments........ I would seriously start to avoid this airline if you would like to get to your destination with your sanity level at a respectful rate..

Their on-time to Montreal at least, is far below the 50% rate (we are speaking of 45minutes and more in most cases)..



Mark

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User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (11 years 6 months 9 hours ago) and read 5675 times:

Maybe it's the snow in Paris which is causing all the problems (CDG was closed for a couple of hours this afternoon)????

User currently offlineAF Cabin Crew From French Polynesia, joined Sep 1999, 1040 posts, RR: 34
Reply 2, posted (11 years 6 months 9 hours ago) and read 5632 times:
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FLYYUL,

What should I call ANA who left London Heathrow with a delay of 8 hours a couple of days ago with passengers and crew on board ??????
Before you start with your comments on us can you check if CDG wasn't under heavy snow or fog ??? Of all the people you should know that when winter weather is bad, IT IS BAD !!!! No matter what, an aircraft can't go if the airport decide to close a runway or haven't got enough defrost engines to cater to all aircraft...
You must know that for a few days now Europe was under a heavy white blamket and that most flights were either delayed or cancelled !
Yet I do admit that we don't achieve a 100% on time departure rate but we are not that bad !

Happy Flying,

AF Cabin Crew.


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User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (11 years 6 months 8 hours ago) and read 5592 times:

AF crew,

Then CDG must have weather problems every day. Yes I do realize that a few delays of this magnitude are normal..

But almost everyday?

Mark


User currently offline2cn From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 648 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 years 6 months 8 hours ago) and read 5554 times:

I don't see what is so bad about ariving 35 minutes late anyways... its 35 minutes.. not like its 8 hours.... an hour, I'd be getting upset.. but 35 minutes isnt THAT much to get all upset about and start saying "fly another airline cause I don't know what is going on with them!"

User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (11 years 6 months 6 hours ago) and read 5514 times:

35 minutes is only a category..we are speaking of an average of 1 to 1.5 hours a day, almost enough for some misconnex..

Mark


User currently offlineAAMD11 From UK - Wales, joined Nov 2001, 1059 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (11 years 6 months 4 hours ago) and read 5443 times:

Many times i have flown YUL-LHR
and as the BA flight boarded the AF flight should normally be ready to depart. but several times myself and my dad would pass through to board the BA flight and there is still a long line-up at the AF gate... always!
And the AF flight was meant to leave 30 mins or so before the BA one, and on a couple of occasions, the BA a/c left the gate before the AF one.
So AF delays do happen at YUL, why i cannot say, but i have seen it myself many times.

A^A MD-11


User currently offlineSilver_wing767 From Japan, joined Oct 2000, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (11 years 6 months 4 hours ago) and read 5438 times:

Hey Mark it is not just AF.... I just got home from doing KLM it came at 1930 and left at 2300. And it is has been late for the past few weeks now,, it seems every other day it is late.... As well as BA was late tonight to.. And a few other nights as well......But this is good news for me..So I can get some over time on a pitiful pay check.. And also ay night the is no rush or crowd at those 2 small international belts...And if you were working tonight we would have seen us at gate 33(26a) we were all over with our cargo and baggage., even in the way of your CO.

User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (11 years 6 months 4 hours ago) and read 5436 times:

We are taking at least 1 significant delay for every 2 days..

Mark


User currently offlineFlpuck6 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2122 posts, RR: 30
Reply 9, posted (11 years 6 months 3 hours ago) and read 5375 times:

FLYYUL-

If only you knew the magnitude of the operations of an international flight.

CDG is an enormous hub, there are so many factors that can contribute to any delay...catering, mechanics, ramp personnel, boardings by bus, missing bags, rotation of the aircraft etc...

I personally coordinate the turn around of widebody international flights and it is always a race against the clock in trying to get the planes out on time.

Flights inbound from CDG spend very little time on the ground. Thus, the departure time out of YUL (or JFK or BOS or MIA etc.) is very much dependent on whether or not the airplane arrives on time from CDG. Usually if it arrives on time, it leaves early or on time. If it arrives late, it is turned around in less than 2 hours and makes up a lot of the minutes lost. So give the crew at YUL some credit.

-Chris



Bonjour Chef!
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (11 years 6 months 2 hours ago) and read 5361 times:

All credit is due to YUL crew, many ofwhom are personal friends, and need to deal with this crap daily..

CDG is a big hub, but I work for NW, yet NW knows how to get its act together, KL/LH/BA seem to know how to get their act together, why cant AF?

Now we are speaking, consistent delays daily..... Infrequent delays are acceptable, but consistent delays are unacceptable..

Mark


User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4627 posts, RR: 36
Reply 11, posted (11 years 6 months 2 hours ago) and read 5357 times:

Saying they're late because CDG is a big hub just doesn't cut it. All my NW flights to and from NRT were either on-time or a bit early. Now I'd consider NRT and rather large hub (understatement).

Kris,
YYC



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User currently offlineBen88 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1093 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5311 times:

All airlines lose luggage. All airlines oversell flights. All airlines have delays.

"Tonight, is the 3rd time AF 347 needs to go to YMX due to delays.."

Third time in how long? For what reasons were they delayed? Also, do you think you should be condeming an airline based on your *limited* experience at ONE of its stations. That seems pretty narrow minded to me. If you don't want to fly on AF then don't, but don't tell others they shouldn't when you yourself have probably never set foot on board one of our aircraft. If you ever want to non rev to France please take NW through DTW, i'm sure you'll have a much more pleasant experience than with AF.


User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2086 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5223 times:

I find it hard to believe that someone in the industry would condemn a huge, respected, international airline because he observed their (AF) flights arrive at his station late a few days. What about the decades track record AF has serving at YUL? What about NW--do you not think NW has some bad days and some poor performing flights? Since AF is a DL partner and SkyTeam member I have flown them dozens of times and have never been late nor had bad service. I think they are an excellent airline that like any airline has its share of bad days but most are GOOD.

User currently offlineAad665 From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5169 times:

Hi,

I am totally agreed with FLYYUL.

I survey AF flight for the last 2 years. They are more 50% late since two years!

Or if they are not late, your bagage never fmade the connaction me at CGD. NEVER! in 2 years!!!!

I completly avoid to use AF from YUL...as I always missed my connection at CDG. (fly trans-con every month in business) I still prefer AC to Fra...barely late!

However, AF has great cabin crew...lot better than AC/LH

Regards

aad665



User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5098 times:

Ok Ben88 and DL widget head,

I work beside many of my AF colleagues at YUL, and the situation has been out-of-control. So I fully know the situation at my station, enough for me and others in my city to render this situation almost as absurd.

Here we go again.. today:

AIR FRANCE AFR344 Paris 15:00 16:37 20030202 Delayed

1.5 hour delay

no info yet on AF346...

Whatever it is, AF is good airline, but there punctuality has a lot to be desired. Imagine for pax that are connecting to flights which have only 1 frequency a day.

AND if im flying non-rev, i;d love to take AF if I was going to CDG only, otherwise, i'd probably miss my connection....

Lastly, it IS unacceptable that AF now has been to YMX (this option is only used when AF will violate the YUL curfew) 3 times in the last month. (I could give you dates if you'd like). Given this, the AF crew in Montreal needs to charter 10 buses, send all the pax to YMX (45 minutes away!). In one year, you'll see this on a very infrequent basis, but it is possible. BUT 3 TIMES IN ONE MONTH?

Mark


User currently offlineFlpuck6 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2122 posts, RR: 30
Reply 16, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5032 times:

I'll say it again.

Most flights doing a turn around in North America spend very little time on the ground. It's not like the plane arrives at noon time and leaves at 6pm like a lot of other trans-atlantic flights do. The departure out of a North American station is pretty much dependent on the arrival from CDG.

FLYYUL, you may be in close contact with people who work for AF at YUL but until you actually have to work to turn around an A340 or a 777, do not go out lecturing how Air France needs to get its act together.

At least AF is PROFITABLE right now.



Bonjour Chef!
User currently offlineAussiestu From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 780 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5003 times:

Yes AF may be profitable but its still a state owned airline and we know how much that helps. Anyway if YUL is constantly delayed then does this show in their passenger counts using this flight....probably not as people are so easy to accept it and just get on the flight. AF and AC operate the only nonstop flights to CDG and unless you have a third competitor then they can both do what they want really. This can clearly be seen at any airport and any amount of airlines. It takes a third to really improve things. If AF serves YMX and YUL can someone explain????? Have operated to YUL many times and the terminal is dreadful!!! Any chance that this will change in the near future?

User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5001 times:

Flpuck6,

Right.... so why are these clowns always late from CDG on a greater than 50% basis??

Again today..

AIR FRANCE AFR346 Paris 18:00 20:15 20030202 Delayed

These guys are clowns.... honestly.


Mark


User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4997 times:

There are 4 competitors on YULCDG (TS, AF, AC, Corsair).

" It takes a third to really improve things. If AF serves YMX and YUL can someone explain????? Have operated to YUL many times and the terminal is dreadful!!! Any chance that this will change in the near future?"

-YMX is only used when AF will violate the YUL curfew. YUL is get a brand-new re-transformation. The terminal area is nice, the gate area is quite dreadful!

Mark


User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4989 times:

My CDG-YUL flight on Jan 3rd left at 1900 instead of 1330. We were delayed for almost six hours (on the plane).


Proud to be an Assyrian!
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4978 times:

Sounds like a normal day at AF..

Mark


User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4962 times:

And the second daily flight which is supposed to arrive at 1800 in YUL, arrived at 2040 (I remember checking on the arrivals monitor).

So that day one flight was delayed 5 hours and the other one was delayed almost three hours.



Proud to be an Assyrian!
User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4958 times:

However, having said that I must admit AF is an excellent airline. Very cheery F/A's and they are all classy/very good looking!


Proud to be an Assyrian!
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4936 times:

Are the AF flights late arriving at YUL? Mark, didn't you say that a high proportion of the YUL-CDG traffic transits thru CDG? Maybe AF is holding the YUL bound flights for connecting traffic?

CDG-YUL is one of AF most important intl routes. I doubt they are not concerned about on-time performance.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
25 FLYYUL : They are always late inbound from CDG. Even if they hold the dep. for the connex pax from CDG, they still have to worry about the misconnex's on the w
26 Flpuck6 : 02 FEB: AF 345 is scheduled only 20 minutes late at 18h00 for a scheduled 17h40 departure. The inbound AF344 ETA is 16h37. A one hour 23 minute turn a
27 FLYYUL : Excuse me sir, My hobby is to analyze and survey the daily operations of Dorval Airport (YUL!). As such, I know when things do not run of a normal ope
28 Flpuck6 : Don't worry, I do not feel like a fool and never will. I am personally responsible for the turn around of the planes at one of Air France's stations a
29 Flpuck6 : AF345 off blocs at 18h15. Exactly one hour and 45 minutes turn around. Bravo YUL. Very rarely are the delays actually the fault of the station. Most o
30 Silver_wing767 : Again todat at work both KLM and BA were late.. so it not just AF... but i did feel sorry for the ramp rats that did have to go to YMx yesterday...but
31 AirFranceJFK : First of all, let me say that if anyone were to check AF's overall on time performance rate, they would see its well above industry standards. Secondl
32 FLYYUL : Yes, I have worked with turn-arounds, in my 3 weeks session in Detroit. I have turned 747-400's around, so I am well aware. Was at the airport today,
33 Flpuck6 : FLYYUL, You worked 747-400s during your "3 week session" at DTW. To be completely blunt, 3 weeks vs. turning around a widebody on a daily basis...hmm.
34 FLYYUL : Again, If thats when the brake release was established, then that was a most generous release. Its ok, its happened to us. To preserve our on-time, th
35 FLYYUL : But I can confirm, that AF345 pushed just after 6:30p, and took-off runway 06L at 6:55p.Flightview is confirming this a 653p departure and a 14 minute
36 VonRichtofen : FLYYUL, I'm curious about your 3 week session at DTW. It's sounds pretty cool. What exactly did it entail and how'd you get the opportunity? Regards,
37 FLYYUL : Kris, My 3 week session in DTW was part training, part learning on the job etc. If you'd like to join NW, they always hire A TON of Temporary persons
38 Post contains links and images AF Cabin Crew : Ia Orana all... OK, you are stating that we are late constantly in YUL, now I want you to get the ontime record of all our flights for the past year,
39 FLYYUL : Again AFCabinCrew, Ive been monitoring the situation for quite some time now... I assure you that I am not exagerating anything, despite what you may
40 Teva : FLYYUL, May I assume you have some family in Marseille (Or some ancestors comingf from...) The marseillais are famous for exageration... More seriouse
41 Rupertvander82 : Why don't Americans/Canadians take a good look at the number of delays coming out from the North American airlines before criticizing others? Try gett
42 Luzezito : well, today 3rd February, there is a stirke called by most pilot unions and 1 out of seven birds are not flying!!!
43 Aad665 : Hi, well, I don't think that our friend FLYYUL is from Marseilles,...just from a realistic world...and that is not the same world as AF!!! I don't wor
44 CanadianNorth : When I fly I ussually have to go standby to get the employee discounts so to get on a flt that I know has room I often have about 5-10 minutes between
45 Post contains images AS_GSC : (late defined as 1 hour + ) While there may be various governmental and industry classifications as to what late really is, but to a revenue passenger
46 Post contains images FLYYUL : AIR FRANCE AFR346 Paris 18:00 18:00 20030203 Cancelled I know there is an impending strike, buthow many times does AF go on strike I knew this flight
47 Flpuck6 : FLYYUL, I do not understand why you must insist you're not exaggerating. If a website shows an actual departure time, it's an actual departure time. I
48 FLYYUL : Flpuck6, Fair enough.. however I will continue to update you on this problem, which will perhaps aggravate next summer when AF adds us a 3rd flight, a
49 FLYYUL : Today's arrivals.. AF344 AIR FRANCE AFR344 Paris 15:00 15:52 20030204 Delayed (not a big deal) AF346 AIR FRANCE AFR346 Paris 18:00 19:22 20030204 Dela
50 Flpuck6 : AF345 off blocs at 17h40. You see how a plane can arrive late but leave on time? That's the hard work of the folks at the North American stations, onl
51 Flpuck6 : AF346 bloced in at 19h29 AF347 bloced out at 2105 1 hour 36 minute turn around. What is interesting though is the A310 aircraft change... AND AF346/34
52 Post contains images LH423 : I know there is an impending strike, buthow many times does AF go on strike I've said it before, and I'll say it again...the French aren't happy unles
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