FLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4949 posts, RR: 52 Posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5007 times:
These guys are clowns, seriously..
Tonight, is the 3rd time AF 347 needs to go to YMX due to delays..
Yesterday, AF345 came in 35 minutes late, and left after AF347.
Every day there is some crap with this airline, in either the delay/lost baggage/oversell departments........ I would seriously start to avoid this airline if you would like to get to your destination with your sanity level at a respectful rate..
Their on-time to Montreal at least, is far below the 50% rate (we are speaking of 45minutes and more in most cases)..
AF Cabin Crew From French Polynesia, joined Sep 1999, 1036 posts, RR: 36 Reply 2, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 4924 times:
What should I call ANA who left London Heathrow with a delay of 8 hours a couple of days ago with passengers and crew on board ??????
Before you start with your comments on us can you check if CDG wasn't under heavy snow or fog ??? Of all the people you should know that when winter weather is bad, IT IS BAD !!!! No matter what, an aircraft can't go if the airport decide to close a runway or haven't got enough defrost engines to cater to all aircraft...
You must know that for a few days now Europe was under a heavy white blamket and that most flights were either delayed or cancelled !
Yet I do admit that we don't achieve a 100% on time departure rate but we are not that bad !
2cn From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 648 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4846 times:
I don't see what is so bad about ariving 35 minutes late anyways... its 35 minutes.. not like its 8 hours.... an hour, I'd be getting upset.. but 35 minutes isnt THAT much to get all upset about and start saying "fly another airline cause I don't know what is going on with them!"
AAMD11 From UK - Wales, joined Nov 2001, 1054 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4735 times:
Many times i have flown YUL-LHR
and as the BA flight boarded the AF flight should normally be ready to depart. but several times myself and my dad would pass through to board the BA flight and there is still a long line-up at the AF gate... always!
And the AF flight was meant to leave 30 mins or so before the BA one, and on a couple of occasions, the BA a/c left the gate before the AF one.
So AF delays do happen at YUL, why i cannot say, but i have seen it myself many times.
Silver_wing767 From Japan, joined Oct 2000, 128 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4730 times:
Hey Mark it is not just AF.... I just got home from doing KLM it came at 1930 and left at 2300. And it is has been late for the past few weeks now,, it seems every other day it is late.... As well as BA was late tonight to.. And a few other nights as well......But this is good news for me..So I can get some over time on a pitiful pay check.. And also ay night the is no rush or crowd at those 2 small international belts...And if you were working tonight we would have seen us at gate 33(26a) we were all over with our cargo and baggage., even in the way of your CO.
Flpuck6 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2120 posts, RR: 31 Reply 9, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4667 times:
If only you knew the magnitude of the operations of an international flight.
CDG is an enormous hub, there are so many factors that can contribute to any delay...catering, mechanics, ramp personnel, boardings by bus, missing bags, rotation of the aircraft etc...
I personally coordinate the turn around of widebody international flights and it is always a race against the clock in trying to get the planes out on time.
Flights inbound from CDG spend very little time on the ground. Thus, the departure time out of YUL (or JFK or BOS or MIA etc.) is very much dependent on whether or not the airplane arrives on time from CDG. Usually if it arrives on time, it leaves early or on time. If it arrives late, it is turned around in less than 2 hours and makes up a lot of the minutes lost. So give the crew at YUL some credit.
Ben88 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1093 posts, RR: 3 Reply 12, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4603 times:
All airlines lose luggage. All airlines oversell flights. All airlines have delays.
"Tonight, is the 3rd time AF 347 needs to go to YMX due to delays.."
Third time in how long? For what reasons were they delayed? Also, do you think you should be condeming an airline based on your *limited* experience at ONE of its stations. That seems pretty narrow minded to me. If you don't want to fly on AF then don't, but don't tell others they shouldn't when you yourself have probably never set foot on board one of our aircraft. If you ever want to non rev to France please take NW through DTW, i'm sure you'll have a much more pleasant experience than with AF.
DL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2062 posts, RR: 5 Reply 13, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4515 times:
I find it hard to believe that someone in the industry would condemn a huge, respected, international airline because he observed their (AF) flights arrive at his station late a few days. What about the decades track record AF has serving at YUL? What about NW--do you not think NW has some bad days and some poor performing flights? Since AF is a DL partner and SkyTeam member I have flown them dozens of times and have never been late nor had bad service. I think they are an excellent airline that like any airline has its share of bad days but most are GOOD.
FLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4949 posts, RR: 52 Reply 15, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4390 times:
Ok Ben88 and DL widget head,
I work beside many of my AF colleagues at YUL, and the situation has been out-of-control. So I fully know the situation at my station, enough for me and others in my city to render this situation almost as absurd.
Here we go again.. today:
AIR FRANCE AFR344 Paris 15:00 16:37 20030202 Delayed
1.5 hour delay
no info yet on AF346...
Whatever it is, AF is good airline, but there punctuality has a lot to be desired. Imagine for pax that are connecting to flights which have only 1 frequency a day.
AND if im flying non-rev, i;d love to take AF if I was going to CDG only, otherwise, i'd probably miss my connection....
Lastly, it IS unacceptable that AF now has been to YMX (this option is only used when AF will violate the YUL curfew) 3 times in the last month. (I could give you dates if you'd like). Given this, the AF crew in Montreal needs to charter 10 buses, send all the pax to YMX (45 minutes away!). In one year, you'll see this on a very infrequent basis, but it is possible. BUT 3 TIMES IN ONE MONTH?
Flpuck6 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2120 posts, RR: 31 Reply 16, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4324 times:
I'll say it again.
Most flights doing a turn around in North America spend very little time on the ground. It's not like the plane arrives at noon time and leaves at 6pm like a lot of other trans-atlantic flights do. The departure out of a North American station is pretty much dependent on the arrival from CDG.
FLYYUL, you may be in close contact with people who work for AF at YUL but until you actually have to work to turn around an A340 or a 777, do not go out lecturing how Air France needs to get its act together.
Aussiestu From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 780 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4295 times:
Yes AF may be profitable but its still a state owned airline and we know how much that helps. Anyway if YUL is constantly delayed then does this show in their passenger counts using this flight....probably not as people are so easy to accept it and just get on the flight. AF and AC operate the only nonstop flights to CDG and unless you have a third competitor then they can both do what they want really. This can clearly be seen at any airport and any amount of airlines. It takes a third to really improve things. If AF serves YMX and YUL can someone explain????? Have operated to YUL many times and the terminal is dreadful!!! Any chance that this will change in the near future?
FLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4949 posts, RR: 52 Reply 19, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4289 times:
There are 4 competitors on YULCDG (TS, AF, AC, Corsair).
" It takes a third to really improve things. If AF serves YMX and YUL can someone explain????? Have operated to YUL many times and the terminal is dreadful!!! Any chance that this will change in the near future?"
-YMX is only used when AF will violate the YUL curfew. YUL is get a brand-new re-transformation. The terminal area is nice, the gate area is quite dreadful!