Nickofatlanta From Australia, joined exactly 15 years ago today! , 1491 posts, RR: 0 Posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 10207 times:
When will SQ take delivery of aircraft capable of flying SIN-LAX/SFO nonstop? I know there has probably not been any announcement of such service, but am curious when SQ will take delivery of aircraft capable of flying these routes.
Singapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13748 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 9823 times:
Well James Boyd - Singapore Airlines United States of America - said in a magazine that it would be delivered in early 2003 with a new First Class (of course - that was before the terrorist attacks hence the delivery now in October).
And I should've made it clearer that it was I who wanted the 744XQLR, not SIA - officially.
GE From Singapore, joined Mar 2000, 320 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9724 times:
There is in fact no problem with the 777-no doubt it is an excellent plane.
The problem was the statement that any 777 is better than any A340
Obviously this statement is incorrect like Gigneil said because not all the 777 or A340s which are to be released have been fully released to the public yet (eg. A345/6); so we should not be so quick to judge any plane's superiority over the other when we have not even flown them yet (SQ A345).
Maybe flying on a A345 would be a totally different experience from the A343/B777. You never know.
Yeah I agree 18hours nonstop is really long; I'm sure that's when SQ's entertainment system will come in useful!
Rupertvander82 From France, joined Dec 2002, 411 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks ago) and read 9660 times:
Oh typical American bigots, who cannot believe that Airbus has caught up, or even out performed Boeing.
Singapore_air: I don't think there'll be a redesigned first, will there be? I hope they have a new First product on the lines, ANA has already out perform SQ's Skysuites, and apparently Emirates will unveil a new first that will shift the industry standards.
Maybe there'll be a new Economy class product too. Cathay and Virgin has PTVs that are larger than the typical 6' screens, it's about time they upgrade theirs too.
18 hours is fine, as long as the entertainment is good (no doubt fot that for SQ), the seat pitch comfortable and the food substantial.
Ejazz From United Arab Emirates, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 729 posts, RR: 33
Reply 21, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9631 times:
There are few A340-300s remaining so most of those pilots have already been reassigned to other fleets so little chance of them moving again so soon. Any A340 expat Captains over the age of 55 will not be reassigned or put on the A340-500 but retire slightly early.
Management Pilots, Instructors and a few First Officers will move to the fleet first to gain experience on the aircraft before training others. Then any pilots with sufficient scores to warrant an upgrade can volunteer. If there are insufficient volunteers then those who qualify will be offered a place on the fleet which probably means most of the normal line crew will come from the A310.
There is no training at present. The first batch to undergo the conversion course in Toulouse will not be leaving for a while yet and as I've said they will be Management crew and Instructors
RayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8148 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9604 times:
You know, the more I think about it the more I wonder why SQ wants to fly LAX or SFO to SIN non-stop. This especially light of the the fact that the SQ flights between LAX and TPE and SFO and HKG are huge moneymakers for the airline (I believe the flights between SFO and HKG on SQ 001/002 are SQ's most profitable flights). Is there enough premium class traffic to warrant such a very long flight?
MSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 9580 times:
Personal preference ok? I gotta love the "typical arrogant Boeing fan" quote. That's priceless. Fact is, I love the 319,320,330 series. Just not the 340...I feel the 777 is a better aircraft, performance wise, passenger comfort wise, the whole 9 yeards. Not the end of the world folks.
Rupertvander82 From France, joined Dec 2002, 411 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9565 times:
The non stop services will definitely complement the flights that are already flying from North Asia to SFO and LAX.
The non stop services is good for passengers who are flying into Singapore or transiting to other South East Asian countries/India or to Australia and New Zealand, and they do not want to waste time to make a stop in TPE, HKG, Seoul or Tokyo.
: Sorry Rupertvander82, But if you want to fly from LAX 1. to New Zealand, you can get there nonstop in less than 13 hours (AKL) 2. to Australia, you ca
26 Singapore 777
: Will SQ still be keeping any of the A340-300s in their fleet or will they ALL be leaving (including the 2 still on order)?
: RayChuang: Many P/J class FFs asked for the nonstop flights, esp those that transit through SIN. I'm not sure sure it's going to be viable, though. By
: Ejazz: Is the rumoured delay due to tech/ops or commercial?
: Would be interested to know how many A343s will stay at SQ? Both the B777 and the A343 are just great planes, both have their bpro and cons. But I mus
: I cannot wait to see what is the new Economy class product on the 345 will be like!
: I think it is faster & safer to fly a 4 engined aircraft across the Pacific. Where's my bulletproof suite !?
: And I should've made it clearer that it was I who wanted the 744XQLR, not SIA - officially. Well, SIA was looking at 744QXLR along with CX, that's for
: 18 hours nonstop in any aircraft is L-O-N-G.... (even in first class, A340-500 or 747/777) I received a top-of-the-line La-Z-Boy for Christmas, yes, t
: How much more can you redesign the current First Class sleeper seats? They are already very good... short of perhaps making the PTV's bigger but hones
: If I had to travel to Perth frequently, for example, I'd probably do it DEN-SFO/LAX-SIN-PER, just so I could stay on *A partners. Much better than fly
: SIN is very out of the way for US-Australia. Doesn't NZ serve Perth, and arent they in Star Alliance as well? I would fly LAX-AKL-PER. Much faster and
: May be SIA will dump 345 after 5 years operation than switch to 772LR? If GE can break SQ's dependance on RR for 777 ops, then there's a good chance i
: Surprisingly, ANZ does not fly to PER. The shortest *A routes are only a few hours more than an AA/QF itinerary due to layovers and whatnot. N
: I also don't know how they would redesign the First Class cabin. Maybe that's the magic of it all - the magic of Singapore Airlines! "SQ-F.U." repeate
: If SQ wants the A345s to fly this route and nothing else, would the B772LR have enough ETOPS to make it? COnsider SQ only has 120 minutes...
: Singapore Airlines has ETOPS207 with the 777-200ER flying transpacific to Las Vegas apparently though.
: COnsider SQ only has 120 minutes Consider where you got this information from since SQ does indeed ETOPS207 authority for some of its routes
: There'd be few ETOPS concerns. It travels a very southerly route, either to SFO or LAX. Just FYI... SIN-SFO is only about 6 nm farther than JNB-ATL. N
: Just FYI... SIN-SFO is only about 6 nm farther than JNB-ATL. Yes, but: 1) ATL-JNB was only performed nonstop on the eastbound segment 2) the still-air
: GE90-115 powered 777-200LR in SQ fleet will definately be wierd . I doubt SQ wants a 3rd engine type in its fleet .
: Surprisingly, ANZ does not fly to PER. Yes they do fly to PER. http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/timetablesandflightinfo/routes/international_route_map_p
: GE90-115 powered 777-200LR While speculation suggests GE will seek common use of the GE90-115B for all 777NG models.... the 772LR is thus far to be eq
: I know how SQ can make their First Class beds better. Make them recline MORE than 180 degrees! That way they'll beat BA and CX hands down! "Introducin
: ConcordeBoy, granted SQ has ETOPS 207 for some of its routes, it is restricted to ETOPS 137 due to the Civil Aviation Authority of Singapore being ver
: 9V-SVA: Hey, tell us why you would want SQ to axe TPE? I'm really curious! Docpepz: That is so corny! And can someone here tell me what is E Tops? Is
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: ETOPS = Extended Twin OPerationS overwater; essentially saying that the aircraft has to be able to prove that it can operate on one remaining engine o
: Singapore_Air and Concordeboy - I would like to find out where you got the info that SIA has 207 ETOPS... and if you could provide the appropriate aut
: Singapore 777, The route for the B777 might be different due to ETOPS concerns. On the contrary the B747 and the A343 might get the same flightplan, w
: Tsentsan, would you also like to know where 9V-SVA found out that SIA has ETOPS207 on certain routes... and if he could provide the appropriate author
: ETOPS = Extended Twin OPerationS overwater Actually, ETOPS stands for Extended-range Twin-engine Operational Performance Standards and has essentially
: Oh shut up already. Who was the one who first mentioned SIA has ETOPS 207 from SIN-LAS? It's relatively well known the CAAS does not want to grant ETO
: SIN-LAS hardly requires 207 minute ETOPS for every flight. ANZ does fly to Perth. But not from Auckland, making a change of plane from the US very dif
: SIN-LAS hardly requires 207 minute ETOPS for every flight. No, but such a flight does require route flexibility, which ETOPS207 offers. I think Concor
: I think Concordeboy was trying to make the point that JNB-ATL is an easier flight due to the N-S orientation, not more difficult. Actually... now that
: Just spoke to a SQ B777 pilot and he reconfirms SQ are still flying the B777 with 120 ETOPS. Cheers
: How about when Emirates starts non-stop flights with the A345 from SFO. How long will that take?
: Ah, the old ETOPS question. I'll see if I can explain this. All SIA B777s are ETOPS 180 approved but only the 9V-SV* series B777s are certified to 180
: Mr BA Better ask your B777 friend to read the FSIs before his next recurrent training where ETOPS will be one of the topics. [Edited 2003-02-06 11:40:
: United777 About 15-16 hours DXB-SFO . I will definately fly on EK when they start flying to US . Charles
: Yes, had a chat with a captain whom I just flew SQ225 with, and he said for US Transpac routes SQ has 180 ETOPS while for Australia SQ has 120 ETOPS.
: It really amazes me that someone could judge something so critically that they have never even been on. Both aircraft are excellent in their own way.
: Gigneil so where does Air NZ fly to Perth from? Answer Air NZ flies from AKL to PER 4x weekly with 763's!!!!! Heard that this will increase sometime a
: long flights... but they're all within ETOPS120/138
: ZK-NBT I checked the Air NZ website just now for AKL-PER for a couple of different dates. Each time it routed me via SYD onto a QF flight. The *A time
: TT We also operate to ETOPS 180 for Johannesburg and Mauritius plus the North Pacific routes. Cheers.[Edited 2003-02-10 09:07:03]
: If SIN-LAX does become non-stop, does SQ intend to continue TPE-LAX? Some people are saying the route is profitable, and others are saying its not. I'
: I suspect if it's not making any profits on that route, they would have downgraded the plane to a 772, or might have even withdrawn the service. You k
: I think SQ will keep the SIN-TPE-LAX route. People forget that the route between TPE and LAX has a lot of traffic due to the large number of ex-patria
: I dont think Evel Knievel would want to fly CI
: Gigneil: How come when I check ANZ and Star Alliance timetable, it shows non-stop flight? Air New Zealand timetable Auckland (New Zealand) To Perth (A
: RupertVander/RayChuang - As with other carriers, SQ maintains a number of unprofitable routes for a variety of reasons (strategic, marketing, politica
: From WAY above: SQ is only configuring its A345s with 64/110? That doesn't sound right to me. That could fit in an A321!
: yes, well they're taking a pretty hefty pax restriction on this aircraft so it'll be able to make SIN-LAX nonstop without divesting much cargo.
: Its approximately that figure... could be a little more or a little less..... hopefully i remembered it correctly..
: Well depending on how the direct LAX & SFO flights perform, I wouldn't expect SQ to downgrade the TPE-LAX & HKG-SFO flights to the 777 as they are bot
: In regards to SQ's supposedly bad reputation in Taiwan--that unfortunate accident was caused NOT by the pilot's fault, but by construction crews on th
: Yikes.... The causes of the SQ6 incident have been discussed to death in this forum. May I request that we keep this thread civil and not start anothe
: How come everyone's saying that SQ's most profittable route is SQ1/2? Maybe it was in the past but definetely it does not represent the present. SQ ma
: SQ's most profitable route last year was London. After the financial year is complete at the end of March this year it appears on first estimates that
: regarding SQ's SFO route, UA certainly doesn't use SQ as a feed into its domestic network since UA serves all the transpac routes that SQ does, except
: I think SQ 001/002 flights--at least at SFO--is more an origin & destination (O & D) flight. You have to remember SQ 002 arrives at SFO in the late af
: Docpepz: Impressive analysis! As far as I am aware route profitability does not take into account the unproftiable routes that are maintained to prop
: United doesn't fly TPE-LAX. It would be interesting to see UA codeshare with SQ on the TPE-LAX route and SQ codeshare with UA on the TPE-SFO route. -a
: It would be interesting to see UA codeshare with SQ on the TPE-LAX route and SQ codeshare with UA on the TPE-SFO route. Pity the poor traveller who th
: When SQ started codesharing with Air NZ on SIN-CHC some years back, passengers who paid SQ prices and ended up on Air NZ aircraft complained like hell
: I wonder how the HKG - LAS route is doing. If LHR is so profitable for SQ, why can't they add one additional flight on a say, 772, that leaves in the
: Can you imagine if your ptv didn't work on the 18+ hour packed SQ A345 flight direct to LAX?! That would drive me mad (then again I'd probably go mad
: Docpepz: Yes, I remember all the complaints about NZ on SIN-CHC. I was in the UK at the time and we had so many calls and letters. Almost invariably t
: Sorry to say this, but UA's product on the 744 is far less superior than that of SQ, so I doubt SQ will put any codeshare flights on UA!
: I don't think UA is inferior to LH or AIR INDIA is it? SQ has AIR INDIA flight numbers on its LAX flights. I cringed when I heard "Thank you for flyin
: Docpepz, Actually, having SQ and AI codeshare is not as far out as you think. You are forgetting that Singapore has probably the largest ex-patriate I
: I think passengers nowadays are more savvy, so they'll book a SQ flight no matter if the ticket is issued with SQ or AI!
: Docpepz is right - the codeshare with AI was very much a political move, partly to gain more rights and partly also because SQ was looking to buy into
: By the way, does anyone know the planned departure/arrival times for the nonstop SIN-LAX vv flights? I've heard conflicting reports.... Ejazz....?
: AI putting their code on an SQ flight is very different than SQ putting their code on an AI flight. N
: Does't SQ code-share with AI flights from SIN to India such as SIN-HYD?
: Air India codeshares with SilkAir (MI) on that route.