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Qantas To San Francisco - Viable?  
User currently offlineQantaspower From Australia, joined Aug 2002, 516 posts, RR: 7
Posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3473 times:

Hi,

Do you think it is possible that Qantas will re-commence Sydney to San Francisco flights in the medium term. I am thinking that maybe a 2 class 744 could make the route viable.

Airlines such as SIA, Cathay etc have all retained San Francisco as part of their networks and remains an important gateway to the USA. I think it was a bad decision for QF to abandon this route.

I think it would be very successful if re-started.

Regards

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User currently offlineRyu2 From Taiwan, joined Aug 2002, 490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3398 times:

QANTAS pulled out because UA started its SFO-SYD route. But before UA started it, the QANTAS SFO flight was popular. I think that if UA goes under, QANTAS will start SYD-SFO again.

User currently offlineAirlanka From Australia, joined Oct 1999, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3386 times:

Of course, because I am tired of flying UA. Although UA is a good airline I prefer QF if they fly the route(better seats -service). And many other people like me who go to silicon valley often would do the same.

Airlanka.



A taste of Paradise
User currently offlineLubcha132 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2776 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3358 times:

well it depends how competitive QF is. If they want to capitalize on UA's possible sinking, they'll reopen it now and salt the wounds. Also, with the new long range 747s it should be easier..they're getting those right?

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 4, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3347 times:

They have some 747-400ERs already, but those planes really aren't of substantially greater range. They do allow QF to uplift more cargo and pax I'm sure.

San Francisco is closer to SYD than LAX is by about 250 nmi.

N


User currently offlineQantasAirways From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1277 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3289 times:

I think that is a viable idea.
Qantas truly has a great opportunity in this circumstance particularly with the current state of UAL.

Regards
QantasAirways



Spirit of Australia
User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3285 times:

Heh honestly it'd make more sense to fly to SJC.

UA flies to SFO because they have a strong hub there. QF gets feed from AA at LAX. QF would get no feed at SFO at all, and who knows if there's sufficient demand for SFO O/D traffic.

N


User currently offlineAl From Australia, joined Jun 1999, 593 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3211 times:

In a word, no. Why fragment the market when there is now a very good "mini-hub" operating at LAX. AA and AS feed at LAX is far better than they have at SFO.
I'd imagine LAX will be developed much more before SFO is considered again.
Then again, some lateral thinking like a SYD-SFO-YYZ a few days a week may work, especially when Mapleflot stop their YYZ-HNL nonstops in May, although the two nonstops AA currently provide between YYZ and LAX seem adequate. QF also has fifth-freedom from SFO to Canada (something they don't have the advantage of at LAX) which could help make such a service viable.
Cheers.


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3115 times:

Heh honestly it'd make more sense to fly to SJC.

Ignoring of course the huge restrictions that would be placed on a 744 at that airfield.


User currently offlineEx_SQer From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1436 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3014 times:

There are probably enough free-spending gay boyz flying between the two cities to make this a lucrative route  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 10, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2969 times:

How huge of restrictions? It has an 11,000 foot runway at sea level. I think that's perfectly adequate.

N


User currently offlineAJ From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 2389 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2875 times:

The issue for Qantas is slots at SFO, they were given up by the previous CEO adn are not available again until 2006, depending on United's outcome.

User currently offlineAl From Australia, joined Jun 1999, 593 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2823 times:

The issue for Qantas is slots at SFO, they were given up by the previous CEO adn are not available again until 2006, depending on United's outcome.

Can you elaborate on this a tad? SFO has no slot program in place, (never has) and is currently actively marketing for extra carriers/routes to serve the airport. Am not sure if you mean there is something on the bilateral stopping them from serving SFO, but even there I can't see anything that would suggest so. The current bi-lateral between Oz & the USA allows for multiple carriers from each country to serve points in the other country with no limitations on aircraft types. (A minimum of four return frequencies per week must be flown on the South Pacific passenger routes and a minimum of three return frequencies per week must be flown on the North Pacific pasenger routes. A limitation of 4 DC10 or equivalent applies to the 3rd approved route, the Guam/Marianas).

Cheers/Regards. Al.


User currently offlineAl From Australia, joined Jun 1999, 593 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2741 times:

AJ ????
You mighta missed this - the thread sorta dropped off the "current" list very quickly. Am genuinely curious on this slot problem you mentioned and am interested to learn more on what it actually is, given SFO has no slot controls or slot programme in place.
Cheers again.


User currently offlineFrequentFlyKid From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2669 times:

SYD-SFO 7,487 mi
SYD-LAX 7,416 mi


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 15, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2641 times:

FrequentFlyKid-

No. That's backwards. SFO-SYD is 7416 mi, and SFO-LAX is 7487 mi.

N


User currently offlineAndrewAir From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2625 times:

That would be nice to see a Qantas at sfo

User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2626 times:

Guys,

Given the current threat of war and a possible terrorist backlash - I'd say it would be prudent for QF to watch these things pan out first before launching new routes. Give the sister city status with SYD/SFO, the big gay populations and both being prime tourist destinations QF could probably make it work, especially with a sevice to YYZ.

Just my thoughts.

mb

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