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Battle Of The X Planes On PBS Tonight  
User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 17442 posts, RR: 49
Posted (13 years 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4609 times:

I just saw it and they will probably re-air it, amazing documentary about the X plane competition.


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User currently onlineCV990A From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (13 years 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4561 times:

Just as good, it's being followed by the Kee Bird story... Looks like PBS is a winner tonight...

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User currently offlineSharpnfuzzy From Canada, joined Jun 2001, 570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4550 times:

Yup, I watched it. It was really good, too bad they didn't make it a several part documentary... like the one they had about the 777.

User currently offlineCcrlR From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (13 years 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4546 times:
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I just saw it. It was cool. I liked the one about Air Force One and the 777 too.

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User currently offlinePlanelover From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (13 years 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4532 times:

It was awesome! I only saw the first half though. Taped the rest and that b-29 thing after it. It was really good. From what I hear, Boeing and Lockheed woudn't allow NOVA to leave the buildings with the tape during the filming. They locked them up in a vault.  Nuts I agree though, it would have been better if it was longer.

I havn't seen the episode on the 777. Hope they will run a rerun soon.

Have fun all.  Smile

User currently offlineSharpnfuzzy From Canada, joined Jun 2001, 570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (13 years 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4478 times:

Hey... does anyone think that asthetics had anything to do with the final descision?.. I mean the Boeing plane was ugly! I could just imagine enemy pilots scratching their heads trying to figure out what the hell the thing shooting at them is.

User currently offlineCloudy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4398 times:

From what I've heard, there were two reasons.

1. Lockheeds version was allot closer to being a production design than Boeing's was. Lockheeds X plane was closer to the actual warfighting machine and so possed fewer risks of overruns, etc. This was no doubt the deciding factor.

2. Lockheed used more advanced tech for its lift-fan and ended up with a simpler, easier to maintain system with no need for either a second engine or Harrier-style thrust vectoring. Plus they ended up with more margin for weight growth than Boeing had. Until now - the geared lift fan has not been tried. Lockheed took a big gamble and won.

Usually, you have to make a choice between what's most advanced and whats most ready for production. In this case, Lockheed won on both counts. Once the lift-fan gamble was won - the case was closed. Boeing hadn't taken enough risks and so lost out big. There may be a lesson here for the commercial market....

Anyway......Aesthetics may have played a role. Boeing's design is actually more conservative than Lockheed's in some ways. It was Lockheed that took the biggest design risks. Yet it looks more wierd - and so APPEARS to be more risky. It is impossible for people to totally shake first impressions from their minds.

User currently offlineNight_Flight From United States of America, joined May 1999, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (13 years 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4371 times:

The program was great! Set your VCR's to record this hit.

It showed the pro's and con's of each aircraft, shared a little technical data, and followed the aircraft through the flight testing. They are the only planes able to hover, takeoff and land vertically and able to easily go supersonic.

It is curious that this information is not classified even thought the aircraft were X-planes.


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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7879 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (13 years 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4320 times:

What night was this supposed to air, Tuesday or Wednesday... b/c both of the PBS stations I get here weren't airing them. Which I suppose was a good thing b/c it would have torn me away from Enterprise.

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User currently offlineCloudy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4268 times:

I watched the whole program and I must admit I was incorrect.
The Lockheed bird does use thrust vectoring to some degree, though not to the extent that Boeing's does.

Also, Lockheeds "Lift Fan" is more complex and risky than Boeing's pure Harrier style model. The trade off is that it saves weight, is less hard on the surfaces it lands on, has less risk of ingesting it's own hot air (something that I am doing now - I am now eating the hot air I gave off with my last post  Smile ), and
it allows you to put the engine in a better place (The rear).

Despite the fact that Lockheed chose a more risky path to meeting the STOVL requirement, they managed to put out a bird much closer to a production version. They also had higher weight margins than Boeing's entry. This impressed the military, apparently.

User currently offlineSoontobepilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (13 years 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4251 times:

Anyone know when the next showing of any of the PBS airplane shows are? I want to tape a bunch of them.

Also, is Dicovery Wings worth getting, and how do you go about getting it?


User currently offlineFlybulldog From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 371 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (13 years 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4239 times:

I don't think they replay the PBS shows very often - they want you to buy the VCR tapes. If you check your library, they may have a copy of the tapes.

I think you'll find that most of us here like the Discovery Wings channel. There's usually about 4 hours a week of very interesting shows repeated very often throughout the week. The biggest complaint is that there are too many shows repeated during the week.

User currently offlineHA_DC9 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 665 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (13 years 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4207 times:

The show about the 777 s really good. I bought the 3 tape VHS version for about $40 at my local Borders store. I bought the set a few years ago, but I think the set is still available in retail.

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