JetMark From Netherlands, joined Nov 2002, 63 posts, RR: 2 Posted (11 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3061 times:
Jugoslav Airlines JAT (nice website: http://www.jat.com) should change name and livery by now as the country name "Yugoslavia" officially doesn't exist anymore from today. The new name is now Serbia-Montenegro. What do you think JAT should do? Aren't they pretty late to implement the new country of origin name?
Sobelair From Croatia, joined Sep 2000, 353 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (11 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3037 times:
Yes, I agree. As far as I am concerned JAT should leave out the extension of their name "Yugoslav Airlines" and simply become JAT. Well, or shorten it like Czech Airlines did, but how do you "shorten" Yugoslav into Serbian-Montenegrian?!?
I am curious what will JAT do relating to their name.
JetMark From Netherlands, joined Nov 2002, 63 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (11 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3028 times:
I just phoned JAT's management and they were aware of the country name change but haven't taken action to change company name or the meaning of the abbreviation. For me only JAT would be okay too. Better is YAT as JAT is confusing with Japan Air Transport unless this regional airline is at the other side of the globe.
RA-85154 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2001, 618 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (11 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2997 times:
Although the country no longer exists, they should keep the "JAT" I think, it is indeed a trademark, known already for decades, like CSA. They should however change the additional 'Yugoslav Airlines' and just turn it into something like 'Serbian-Montenegrian Airlines' or become SMAT instead of JAT lol?
Slawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (11 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2945 times:
CSA did change their name they just were lucky and got to keep the C....JAT may want to think about rebranding with a new name, but I would make that part of a larger re-branding plan that would include fleet and service improvements, and maybe even some North American routs again.....
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Andrej From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 1039 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (11 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2832 times:
they should keep the name, b/c the name was in the use, for many years and easy to recognize.
CSA partly changed their name. From Czechoslovak Airlines to Czech Airlines. However, if you follow the there letters, they stand for C(zecho)S(lovak)A(irlines). Now, tell me, where is the "S" in the Czech Airlines. In Czech language, the Czech Airlines means Ceske Aerolinie. Now, one may argue that when speaking Czech, the "S" is in the name. C(e)S(ke)A(erolinie), however it does not make any sense.
Also, the "OK" identification, was established to use in Czechoslovakia. After the split, the Czechs should use "OL" and Slovaks should use "OM". Slovaks use OM, but czechs stick with the OK.
There are two successors after the the split of Czechoslovakia, and they are Czech Rep. and Slovak Rep.. However, the Czech made few tricks, (the airline name, they kept the same flag, etc) so they could be easier recognized around the world.
To the flag. In the history, the old flag was made of three colors. White, Blue and Red. The white and red was the color of Czech lands, Moravia and Slezia (Slesko), the white symbolizes the Slovakia. Now more than 10 years after the split, they still use old flag. Slovaks come up with their new flag.
I could go on and on, but this is not related to the aviation, thus I will stop.
JU101 From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 832 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (11 years 10 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2769 times:
The name, JAT, will stay for sure. In fact discussion about possible name changes have been going on for quite sometime, but the name JAT is very authentic and the name has been around since the second world war. A while back, some people thought it may be a good idea to bring back the original company name - Aeroput, as it was when the airline came into existence back in 1927.
I believe that the term Yugoslav will be eventually dropped, though there has been no confirmation of this. I would definately support the idea of the company being officially and unofficially known as JAT Airlines. This way the official airline of Serbia and Montenegro could also look at expanding its horizons more than it did up to now, since it would have no distinct geographic or territorial association - even as a national carrier.
As for the fleet question, most of the 737s and all ATRs are in full livery. On the other hand some other aircraft aircraft (DC-9 or B-727) are often in all-white since these aircraft are planned to exit the fleet by the middle of spring... It would be about time that the rest of the 737s are painted, as the livery is very attractive. From my observation, only three 737s need to be repainted (YU-ANH, YU-ANW, and YU-AON). On similar note, i am sure that the livery will stay, since the company symbol is definately representative of the national colors of Serbia and Montenegro.
Airsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 33
Reply 12, posted (11 years 10 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2757 times:
Also, keep in mind Yugoslavia means nothing more "Southern Slavia" - and Southern Slavia that part of the world still is, regardless of the country´s official name. (Analogy: imagine the Republic of South Africa renamed into Makaluko N´Sidlbane tomorrow - it would still be the Southern part of Africa, i.e. South Africa.)
Yyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16371 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (11 years 10 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2751 times:
The JAT name has a lot of history. I think it should stay. An airline name is not so much about national identity anymore but marketing image. JAT historically is a well-respected carrier, despite its current shrunken state.
Also, their curent livery is very sharp & modern!
Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
9A-CRO From Croatia, joined Jun 2000, 1574 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2675 times:
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JAT name should stay, but abbrevation should be dropped.
I am not really sure if it was JAT plane but I saw ATR 72 with colors very similar to those of JAT take off today from Zagreb. I was only able to catch a glimpse of it because it soon flew behind a building.
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JAT From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 1101 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2594 times:
In response to the remark about JATs planes being white, actually they are working on that, and most of their 737s are painted, any remaining ones will be by springtime. YU-ANV is the most receant "convert" from the white to the full JAT livery, I don't think there's a picture on airliners.net yet... As far as I know, the only unpainted 737s are YU-ANH and YU-ANW and the leased YU-AON. Also, seeing as the DC-9s and 727s will be finally retired by the middle of this year, there's no sense painting them. Although YU-AKI is painted and looks great....
Infinite From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2577 times:
Exactly. It was absolutely unrightful what the czechs did after Czechoslovakia was divided. Their decision to keep our common flag was unprecedented. I completely agree with you, they totally bullshited us. Ti parchanti
Anyways, I thinnk JAT should just completely rebrand...
JU101 From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 832 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2482 times:
9A-CRO, thats funny how you noticed that, i guess i wasnt that observant, and neither were the old marketing crew! haha!
JAT, there are a few nice photos of the YU-ANV in its new colors on planepictures.net Many spotters that i have spoken too have given up on airliners.net since the load up time is less efficient than on its competitor sites. Hence more photos there.