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Lufthansa Stops Selling Tickets To Israel  
User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Posted (11 years 5 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4047 times:

Lufthansa has stopped selling any tickets to Israel after Feb 10th 2003. I am assuming this is to do with potential war and terror issues.

Jeremy

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User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (11 years 5 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3927 times:

So I assume Lufthansa will stop flights, too? How odd.

Good news for LY/BA/AF/AZ/KL.

Aaron G.


User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 5 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3890 times:

If LH stops selling tickets for a good reason, then other airlines will most likely follow. or do you think LH is dumb?


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 5 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3876 times:

i think LH is dumb. It's a symbolic move that might cause Israelis (who would most likely be the customers on flights to israel) to be insulted, particularly if LH is the first.

Oh, well. EL AL won't ever stop flights. They don't operate like that.

TNNH


User currently offlineLXLGU From South Africa, joined Sep 2000, 1085 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (11 years 5 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3866 times:

Hi!
This is not correct.Lufthansa flights FRA TLV still in the system and bookable

Cheers
Tony


User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (11 years 5 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3856 times:

This is not correct.Lufthansa flights FRA TLV still in the system and bookable

try to book a ticket after Feb 10th

Jeremy



User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 31
Reply 6, posted (11 years 5 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3828 times:

I tried it on www.lufthansa.de and it worked. Well at least until the moment, where the booking would have been made definitely  Smile/happy/getting dizzy .

So, what's up?

Gerardo



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User currently offlineFly-K From Germany, joined May 2000, 3147 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (11 years 5 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3795 times:
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What a crap (or lie?) you're telling us here!


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User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 31
Reply 8, posted (11 years 5 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3768 times:

How does that sound:

Your planned itinerary

Flight Dates/Times Airport Class
LH686 Wed, Feb. 12, 2003 10:05 Frankfurt/Main International Economy Class Best Buy
Wed, Feb. 12, 2003 15:05 Tel Aviv - Ben Gurion

LH691 Wed, Feb. 26, 2003 05:30 Tel Aviv - Ben Gurion Economy Class Best Buy
Wed, Feb. 26, 2003 08:55 Frankfurt/Main International


Price (EUR)
Tariff: Economy Class Best Buy Fare Conditions
Flight price per passenger: € 644.00

Taxes and surcharges per passenger: € 49.78

Total price (1 passenger): € 693.78


Miles & More
For this flight you will receive 3662 miles. The amount of miles can be different, if not all segments are booked under Lufthansa flight number. Please note that bus and train journeys do not apply for mileage accrual.


So what the hell are you talking about??? Telling sick jokes...no sources..our usual German-bashers just love it and jump on it....get lost, id!ot!



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User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 31
Reply 9, posted (11 years 5 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3691 times:

Hmmm, I didn't try 12. Feb. 2004. Perhaps that's the answer ?  Wink/being sarcastic

Gerardo



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User currently offlineFly-K From Germany, joined May 2000, 3147 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (11 years 5 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3678 times:
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Yeah, if someone would spread false rumors about a US carrier, they would strike back with a lawsuit - and rightfully so!


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User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (11 years 5 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3658 times:

A symbolic move TNNH? Care to explain that one, I'm really curious, with what nonsense your gonna come up with.


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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3597 times:

It's obvious, isn't it Manni? It just goes to show how anti-Semetic Europeans are. Damn us to hell.

Lufthansa can do whatever they like. I bet they don't particularly want one of their aircraft destroyed in any war that may happen.


User currently offlineIlyag From Israel, joined Jan 2001, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (11 years 5 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3430 times:

Hello,
I visited my travel agency today to pick up tickets, and the agents were busy all the time with answering worried calls caused by this rumor. This is simply not true. Once again - check your info, before you post it.


User currently offlineFly-K From Germany, joined May 2000, 3147 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (11 years 5 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3416 times:
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So where DOES this rumor come from, if even customers heard about it?
Sounds like somebody is really out to do harm to LH!



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User currently offlineAvi From Israel, joined Sep 2001, 939 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (11 years 5 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3408 times:

This is the second time I hear about it from 2 different sources in less than 24 hours.
I got an e-mail last night from a family member who said she was talking with a Lufthansa worker in Israel who told her the very same thing.

Personally I find it strange.
The war is not going to start next week. There are not enough US soldiers in the gulf. Foreign countries didn’t start to evacuate unessential staff (diplomat's families, tourists etc) and above all Israel is not in a "war mode" yet. We are ready but still live in a normal way (we didn’t seal rooms, gas masks are not attached to us, schools are still open etc. On Jan 15th 1991 it was all different)

It’s too early. I can’t understand it. Lufthansa makes money on that route.



Long live the B747
User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 31
Reply 16, posted (11 years 5 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3405 times:

Yes I'd like to know that, too. And I find it somewhat amusing, that anybody did actually believe this, I mean, really, why for God's sake would LH stop flying to Israel??? We are talking about a capitalist company, completely privatized, that needs to make profit...any such step would economically hurt LH much more than any terrorist attack anywhere in the world...just imagine the headlines (especially on Frontlinemag.com Big grin Big grin Big grin )!!!

Regards

Andreas



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User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 31
Reply 17, posted (11 years 5 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3400 times:

It's a joke, just look at the LH website and do a trial booking, it works, I tried it this morning and posted it here!

Airlines usually stop flying certain routes when IATA recommends them to do so, or the ministry for external affairs (In Germany Auswärtiges Amt)...I came across such a situation in 1994, when shooting in Afghanistan was very heavy, therefore BA choose to alter its route to Far East to the south, I've never heard LH to do anything more seriously than route alterings, just as any other carrier.



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User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 5 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3338 times:

I just want to add that my comment was 'IF LH stops...' Does anyone need help on the meaning of an IF in a sentence?


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 19, posted (11 years 5 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3319 times:

So what the hell are you talking about??? Telling sick jokes...no sources..our usual German-bashers just love it and jump on it....get lost, id!ot!

God what are you guys like, this was a story covered on cnn last night, and there was a Lufthansa representative discussing why they had made the choice to pull the flights. This was also on BBC America, and I saw it also on a few websites too.

You guys really need to relax

Jeremy


User currently offlineAvi From Israel, joined Sep 2001, 939 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (11 years 5 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3312 times:

I said it looks strange for me.
By the way, during the war in 91 LH DID NOT fly to Israel. Onle one foreign company flew.
About the other things I said, we will do it before the war start as we did in 91.
After all no western EU country is in range of an Iraqi missile but Israel is and Iraq did fire at us in 91.



Long live the B747
User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 5 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3251 times:

If more EU carriers stop flying to Israel that's good news for El Al.

User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4856 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (11 years 5 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3203 times:

Lufthansa would be very dumb to stop flights to Israel.

Just some facts:

LH didn't reduce flights when the Intifada started 2 years ago, they chose the other direction and added flights.

While many other airlines lost passengers between 2001 and 2002, LH improved their passenger numbers.

The LH-bureau in Tel Aviv is currently the most successful bureau world-wide.

Load factors between Germany and Israel are 93%. (in 8/2002)

Cargo also plays an important, even when the load factors on MUC-TLV went temporarily down last year LH kept the 3 weekly flights due to good Cargo revenue.

El Al wants the Israelian government to reduce capacity for foreign carriers due to bad load factors on their planes.

(all data taken from http://www.israel-tourismus.de)


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4399 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (11 years 5 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3102 times:

El Al wants the Israelian government to reduce capacity for foreign carriers due to bad load factors on their planes.

Well KLM listened to ELAL as they decided to cut back capcity on AMS-TLV (from B767 to B737-800) as of next summer who's next??


User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6374 posts, RR: 54
Reply 24, posted (11 years 5 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3071 times:

I have no idea about the LH no-fly rumor.

But if the war rumors become much hotter than today, then the decision - to fly or not to fly - will be made by very few people, and to very little extent by the airlines.

The managers of the insurance companies and leasing companies will draw up red zones.

Since TLV is within Saddam's missile range, then there is unfortunately no reason to assume that it will be outside the red zone.



Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
25 Post contains images Vfw614 : Maybe Lufthansa has lost its traffic rights into Israel now that Germany has been declared a member of the axis of evil by Donald Rumsfeld Rummy was s
26 Speedport : I decide to look into this as I scan airline information sites quite thoroughly and haven't seen anything about this. According to Lufthansa reservati
27 Post contains images Manni : TNNH, I'm waiting for your reply. Tell us, how symbolic it is that LH pulls out of TLV... Just wondering, are you gonna pull your sorry card again?
28 Artsyman : Artsyman. Perhaps you should wait for confirmation on a story before you post it as fact. Had you started out your post with "I heard a rumor that..."
29 Racko : Artsyman, if that's true, then: Why is there nothing on the CNN homepage? Why is there nothing on the BBC homepage? Why is there nothing on the German
30 Artsyman : You raise a good point, I don't anything on cnn's homepage about it, but in truth it was a few days ago, and what I saw was on the television not the
31 Vfw614 : I guess this Jersualem Post article about Lufthansa's strategy is insightful: In a time of crisis, even keeping your head above water is victory, but
32 Bobnwa : Artysman, Your post is a perfect example of an unjustified rumor. All the sources you mentioned know nothing about it. Please give us a source that ca
33 Artsyman : This is getting boring, as I said before, as a totally pro Israel person, and loves Lufthansa as an airline, I cant get beyond what reason I would hav
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