Artsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4741 posts, RR: 43 Posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2929 times:
Lufthansa has stopped selling any tickets to Israel after Feb 10th 2003. I am assuming this is to do with potential war and terror issues.
Trvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 24 Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2809 times:
So I assume Lufthansa will stop flights, too? How odd.
Twaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2758 times:
i think LH is dumb. It's a symbolic move that might cause Israelis (who would most likely be the customers on flights to israel) to be insulted, particularly if LH is the first.
Oh, well. EL AL won't ever stop flights. They don't operate like that.
Artsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4741 posts, RR: 43 Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2738 times:
This is not correct.Lufthansa flights FRA TLV still in the system and bookable
Andreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 34 Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2650 times:
How does that sound:
Your planned itinerary
Flight Dates/Times Airport Class
LH686 Wed, Feb. 12, 2003 10:05 Frankfurt/Main International Economy Class Best Buy
Wed, Feb. 12, 2003 15:05 Tel Aviv - Ben Gurion
LH691 Wed, Feb. 26, 2003 05:30 Tel Aviv - Ben Gurion Economy Class Best Buy
Wed, Feb. 26, 2003 08:55 Frankfurt/Main International
Price (EUR)
Tariff: Economy Class Best Buy Fare Conditions
Flight price per passenger: € 644.00
Taxes and surcharges per passenger: € 49.78
Total price (1 passenger): € 693.78
Miles & More
For this flight you will receive 3662 miles. The amount of miles can be different, if not all segments are booked under Lufthansa flight number. Please note that bus and train journeys do not apply for mileage accrual.
So what the hell are you talking about??? Telling sick jokes...no sources..our usual German-bashers just love it and jump on it....get lost, id!ot!
Ilyag From Israel, joined Jan 2001, 110 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2312 times:
Hello,
I visited my travel agency today to pick up tickets, and the agents were busy all the time with answering worried calls caused by this rumor. This is simply not true. Once again - check your info, before you post it.
Avi From Israel, joined Sep 2001, 922 posts, RR: 6 Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2290 times:
This is the second time I hear about it from 2 different sources in less than 24 hours.
I got an e-mail last night from a family member who said she was talking with a Lufthansa worker in Israel who told her the very same thing.
Personally I find it strange.
The war is not going to start next week. There are not enough US soldiers in the gulf. Foreign countries didn’t start to evacuate unessential staff (diplomat's families, tourists etc) and above all Israel is not in a "war mode" yet. We are ready but still live in a normal way (we didn’t seal rooms, gas masks are not attached to us, schools are still open etc. On Jan 15th 1991 it was all different)
It’s too early. I can’t understand it. Lufthansa makes money on that route.
Andreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 34 Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2287 times:
Yes I'd like to know that, too. And I find it somewhat amusing, that anybody did actually believe this, I mean, really, why for God's sake would LH stop flying to Israel??? We are talking about a capitalist company, completely privatized, that needs to make profit...any such step would economically hurt LH much more than any terrorist attack anywhere in the world...just imagine the headlines (especially on Frontlinemag.com )!!!
Andreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 34 Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2282 times:
It's a joke, just look at the LH website and do a trial booking, it works, I tried it this morning and posted it here!
Airlines usually stop flying certain routes when IATA recommends them to do so, or the ministry for external affairs (In Germany Auswärtiges Amt)...I came across such a situation in 1994, when shooting in Afghanistan was very heavy, therefore BA choose to alter its route to Far East to the south, I've never heard LH to do anything more seriously than route alterings, just as any other carrier.
Artsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4741 posts, RR: 43 Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2201 times:
So what the hell are you talking about??? Telling sick jokes...no sources..our usual German-bashers just love it and jump on it....get lost, id!ot!
God what are you guys like, this was a story covered on cnn last night, and there was a Lufthansa representative discussing why they had made the choice to pull the flights. This was also on BBC America, and I saw it also on a few websites too.
Avi From Israel, joined Sep 2001, 922 posts, RR: 6 Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2194 times:
I said it looks strange for me.
By the way, during the war in 91 LH DID NOT fly to Israel. Onle one foreign company flew.
About the other things I said, we will do it before the war start as we did in 91.
After all no western EU country is in range of an Iraqi missile but Israel is and Iraq did fire at us in 91.
Racko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4838 posts, RR: 21 Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2085 times:
Lufthansa would be very dumb to stop flights to Israel.
Just some facts:
LH didn't reduce flights when the Intifada started 2 years ago, they chose the other direction and added flights.
While many other airlines lost passengers between 2001 and 2002, LH improved their passenger numbers.
The LH-bureau in Tel Aviv is currently the most successful bureau world-wide.
Load factors between Germany and Israel are 93%. (in 8/2002)
Cargo also plays an important, even when the load factors on MUC-TLV went temporarily down last year LH kept the 3 weekly flights due to good Cargo revenue.
El Al wants the Israelian government to reduce capacity for foreign carriers due to bad load factors on their planes.
(all data taken from http://www.israel-tourismus.de)
Prebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6019 posts, RR: 55 Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1953 times:
I have no idea about the LH no-fly rumor.
But if the war rumors become much hotter than today, then the decision - to fly or not to fly - will be made by very few people, and to very little extent by the airlines.
The managers of the insurance companies and leasing companies will draw up red zones.
Since TLV is within Saddam's missile range, then there is unfortunately no reason to assume that it will be outside the red zone.
Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
25 Vfw614: Maybe Lufthansa has lost its traffic rights into Israel now that Germany has been declared a member of the axis of evil by Donald Rumsfeld Rummy was s
26 Speedport: I decide to look into this as I scan airline information sites quite thoroughly and haven't seen anything about this. According to Lufthansa reservati
27 Manni: TNNH, I'm waiting for your reply. Tell us, how symbolic it is that LH pulls out of TLV... Just wondering, are you gonna pull your sorry card again?
28 Artsyman: Artsyman. Perhaps you should wait for confirmation on a story before you post it as fact. Had you started out your post with "I heard a rumor that..."
29 Racko: Artsyman, if that's true, then: Why is there nothing on the CNN homepage? Why is there nothing on the BBC homepage? Why is there nothing on the German
30 Artsyman: You raise a good point, I don't anything on cnn's homepage about it, but in truth it was a few days ago, and what I saw was on the television not the
31 Vfw614: I guess this Jersualem Post article about Lufthansa's strategy is insightful: In a time of crisis, even keeping your head above water is victory, but
32 Bobnwa: Artysman, Your post is a perfect example of an unjustified rumor. All the sources you mentioned know nothing about it. Please give us a source that ca
33 Artsyman: This is getting boring, as I said before, as a totally pro Israel person, and loves Lufthansa as an airline, I cant get beyond what reason I would hav
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