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Airbus Wins 43 Aircraft Order From Indian Airlines  
User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13737 posts, RR: 19
Posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4504 times:

Airbus has won a 43 aircraft order from Indian Airlines. "Indian Airlines has chosen to buy 43 Airbus planes," French Prime Minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin in a statement. "I am of course hopeful that this choice will soon be made official."

Indian Airlines is India's largest domestic airline. However, the government must give its approval. It is expected that Air India will order Boeing aircraft.

More information at the BBC News Online website

[Edited 2003-02-06 09:17:38]


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User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4486 times:

IC's selection of Airbus has been a done deal for almost 6 months now. The only obstacle is the clearance from the ministry to place the order.

User currently offlineIndianguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4439 times:

My source tells me that a formal announcement is due in the next couple days, before the Aero India Show closes.

Mebbe this is what Singapore Air is referring to?

-Roy


User currently offline9V-SVC From Singapore, joined Oct 2001, 1796 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4396 times:

That is great news for Airbus . Another order for them .


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User currently offlineCwapilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1166 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4065 times:

What's the French Prime Minister doing announcing an (potential) aircraft order? I thought Airbus was now an independent, publicly traded company. Perhaps putting a little pressure of his own on the Indian gov't. to finalize things soon? Yet they whine....why, because they get only half the orders being placed in India right now instead of all? Hmmmm....I wonder what the reaction would be if the President of the United States, or even the Senate Majority Leader made it their business to announce aircraft orders..................






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User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7359 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4033 times:
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Let me see... this story from February 1994 which says the President of the United States announces that "Saudia will order US planes". Quantity and type not mentioned.

But this story gives the order breakdown and when the deal was signed: October 1995. So they had 18 months in which to formulate their American choice.

So, no it's not an usual thing!

David


User currently offlineDynkrisolo From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1855 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4010 times:

People only remember the part Cliton called the Saudi King. People don't remember the reason Cliton called the Saudi King was because a French minister announced an upcoming big Airbus order from Saudia after a visit to the Kingdom. The fact of the matter is governments from both sides of the Atlantic have applied political pressures to help their respective aircraft manufacturers to win orders. So, stop the finger pointing. Both sides are quilty.

User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2994 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3944 times:

"Both sides are quilty"?
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User currently offlineCwapilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1166 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3890 times:

Yeah....1995. We're supposed to be past all that now. Airbus is supposed to be all grown up now, not a French government project. That's what we are told over and over again, isn't it? As long as it is a pet project of the EU governments, you can expect, and rightfully so, the US government remaining and becoming increasingly involved in influencing aircraft orders, especially to countries still clinging to state-owned indusrty models. I wouldn't have said anything, except for the info posted yesterday about Airbus' whining about the order situation in India.






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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3888 times:

With Aerospace products being one of America's and the EU's largest dollar value exports, is it not surprising that political institutions get involved?

Its called global business. There is a political reality to business transactions of that magnitude.


User currently offlineDynkrisolo From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1855 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3799 times:

4holer:

"g" and "q" what's the difference? They look alike on the screen.  Big grin I guess I was so cold that I had a brain freeze. Maybe I need a quilt.  Big grin

Cwapilot:

Remember Israel and Taiwan? They are more recent.

Jaysit and others:

Government is meant to help their country's own industries. The problem here is there isn't a clear line between lobbying and pressuring.


User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7968 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3767 times:

Given that Indian Airlines already operate A320 Family planes, ordering 43 more Airbus planes is a literal given.  Smile

User currently offlineCwapilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1166 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3710 times:

You guys still, obviously, don't get the point. So, I will restate it in very, very simple terms. Today, the French Prime Minister (not an Airbus executive, as far as I can tell), announces an order with an undertone of "hurry up and get it finalized" while, only yesterday, Airbus was whining about the US government supposedly trying to influence orders in India with political pressure...and after the hundreds of posts here, and the rhetoric of Airbus, that they are independent now, not controlled by or proped up by EU governments. Now, maybe I am missing something here, but it seems a tad hypocritical to me. Do I run and tell teacher that Johnny is poking me in the eye, while at the same time I poke Jimmy in the eye on my way up the aisle?

The double standard is what I am talking about...I have no illusions regarding governments applying political leverage for their larger industries.




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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4976 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 3677 times:

Aren't the French, well FRENCH?


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User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 3665 times:

Cwapilot,

I understand what you mean. Airbus is still getting government loans for the A380 even though they now have half (arguably more) of the civil aircraft market. However, I don't think the particular instance you are citing is any big deal. This announcement is probably is just a part of a larger Indo-Franco friendship initiative.


User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2725 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 3635 times:

I think what everyone is missing is that this is not "news". IA's decision was announced last March, but has yet to be finalized. So while I totally understand and agree with your point, Cwapilot, this is not the French minister announcing an order, but encouraging the order to be finalized.

Regards,

Hamlet69



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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 3621 times:

I distinctly remember the US putting pressure on El Al to consider the 777 family instead of the Airbus alternatives. As a matter of fact, I remember the US being rather angry when Israel was even considering Airbus.

There is a fine line between lobbying and pressuring, but no one knows where to draw that line.

In any case, this Airbus order was pretty much a done deal. Boeing had no shot at influencing IC to buy the 737 NG family.


User currently offlineUnited777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3559 times:

Great new for Airbus and India. Looks like Indian Airlines and Shara India Airlines are going for the A320 family aircraft and Jet Airways still is going with the 737NG's!

User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13478 posts, RR: 62
Reply 18, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3551 times:
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Ozark, you so hit the nail on the head!  Smile


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User currently offlineCwapilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1166 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3517 times:

It wouldn't be a big deal if Airbus wasn't in the business of crying about supposed American government influence each time it appears it is not going to win an order. In this case, the pissing and moaning was a mere day earlier! Yeah, politics plays a role...no sh*t....but why piss and moan and whine and cry about your competitor doing the very thing that is the only reason your entire company even exists?



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User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2725 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3500 times:

Jaysit,

The U.S. didn't pressure El Al to get the 777, they pressured the airline not to get the A330. El Al wanted the 777-200ER to replace the 747 Classics, and the A330-200 to replace the 767-200/ERs. After the 777 order, El Al "announced" they couldn't afford to do both replacements. I should not need to spell out the rest.

Regards,

Hamlet69



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User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3493 times:

I think US government howls when state-owned carriers of countries that owe their existence to US protection try to buy Airbus. The US government directly or indirectly provides billions to Israel and Taiwan. In the case of the latter, we sent an aircraft carrier into the Taiwan strait when China decided to "test" missles in 1996.

I am glad the US government makes a racket when either of these companies tries to buy Airbus.


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