Pgh234 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 790 posts, RR: 1 Posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2077 times:
It turns out CommutAir is returning (like numerous people on the board have been saying) to CLE with the 19 seaters and restarting their pre-9/11 service to PIT, ERI, AZO, and ELM.
Airplanelover From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 329 posts, RR: 2 Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2014 times:
Yeah, I saw it on the Continental Itinerary. I was looking for PIT-DEN flights, and I saw Continental from PIT-CLE-DEN-CLE-PIT and I was surprised. Thanks for the update!
Ouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4001 posts, RR: 23 Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1986 times:
Discussed already under another thread months ago. LOL Next batch should have TOL, FWA, etc. in the mix for May or even late April.
Any opinion/comment posted is that of my own and not that of Southwest Airlines Co.
Ncflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 446 posts, RR: 2 Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1937 times:
Ouboy79: ELM and AZO were announced previously, but this is the first official announcment of PIT and ERI. Sure there was speculation on this board, but there's speculation about lots of things here that never leads to any official press release!!
Wonder which gate these planes will use at CLE. And I also wonder why the ELM and AZO flights weren't ever mentioned in the Cleveland media at all-- shame on Continental-- no announcement on CO's website either. Their support of Cleveland is tenuous at best. The only article on Continental in the last 3 or 4 months in the Plain Dealer delt with the seasonal suspension of the LGW flight for next winter. This at a time when you would think CO would be all over the benefit from the UA and US bankruptcies.
Thomacf From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 540 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks ago) and read 1899 times:
NcFlyer-
CO still flies LGW-CLE a few times a week. Was it annoucned that they would suspend the whole flight again next winter or scale back like they are now?
Ouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4001 posts, RR: 23 Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1866 times:
Ncflyer, actually ELM & AZO never really were in a press release. The speculation on here about PIT & ERI came about when the schedules were published - not really speculation. Of course that could have been over on USAviation.com, which would seem more likely since the information is a tad more credible there.
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Ncflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 446 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1801 times:
Thomacf-- there was article leading the Plain Dealer Business section saying the LGW flight would be suspended in winter of 2003-2004-- that the flight just wasn't cutting it in the off-season. I should have posted it here, especially cause the Plain Dealer website is so bad that you will have a hard time finding an archived article. I'd say it was 2 or 3 weeks ago, and I think it was on a Saturday but not sure about that.
It's funny but the closing of CMH makes me very bearish on CLE. 1) Co just ain't investing in it. 2) Excellent article in today's WSJ on America West quoting an analyst who says there are too many hubs right now and the small ones just won't cut it 3) CLE's load factors must be so bad that CO would rather park planes on Tuesdays and Wednesdays and Saturdays than fly them-- I can't imagine where else CO deploys it's planes on those days so I assume they are parked. 4) CLE can't even support a lousy 757 to London year round, whereas smaller O/D markets such as RDU and CVG and CLT can.
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1783 times:
Wonder which gate these planes will use at CLE.
Plans are for Commutair to use the piers at D-21 and D-25, while COEX will keep the piers at D-17 and D-28.
shame on Continental-- no announcement on CO's website either. Their support of Cleveland is tenuous at best.
What's the big deal? It's not even CO service-it's a codeshare. It's not like it's announcing CLE-AMS or something.
4) CLE can't even support a lousy 757 to London year round, whereas smaller O/D markets such as RDU and CVG and CLT can.
Take a look at the loads out of IAH and EWR this off-peak? The 777's out of IAH are nowhere near full, and EWR-LGW frequencies have been reduced. In fact, a 757 has been running on some of the EWR-LGW instead of a 762. Right now, NOTHING is doing well for any of the carriers, if you've noticed.
The CLE-LGW flight is packed during the summer-I know, I've worked a good 350 of them since 1999. The best cure for CLE and all hubs would be a stronger economy.
As for the reduced schedule, you run what is profitable. Right now, the least profitable days, probably at most hubs, are tuesday/wednesday/saturdays, where very few business fares are being bought-mostly discounted coach fares for people trying to get those maxi-shafter deals. There's nothing wrong with cutting out the red ink if that's where it's at. CO has scaled back ops at all 3 hubs on those days.
Markus From United States of America, joined May 1999, 275 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1770 times:
"Plans are for Commutair to use the piers at D-21 and D-25, while COEX will keep the piers at D-17 and D-28."
This makes perfect sense now that you can go 'around' the entire D concourse while taxiing. For the record...the CLE-ELM will be brand new service for CLE. ELM hasn't been serviced by Continental (Express/Connection) since 1993 when there were 5 flights every weekday from Newark with EMB-120's and ATR-42's.
Cheers,
Markus
MasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 4725 posts, RR: 7 Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1703 times:
Does anybody know whether Commutair bought some additional Beeches for this service or are they shifting flights out of Albany/White Plains?
Dan2002 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 2055 posts, RR: 5 Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1679 times:
Does anyone know if cle will use jetways to board the 1900s or will have to board outside?
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Dford757 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 197 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1648 times:
Markus...
ELM did have Co service for a while a few years ago, after Commutair went from US Airways Express to Continental. It wasn't for very long (I would say maybe a couple months at the most) and I think it was service to JFK.
NWA Man From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1828 posts, RR: 13 Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1632 times:
"4) CLE can't even support a lousy 757 to London year round, whereas smaller O/D markets such as RDU and CVG and CLT can."
Anyone who thinks that CVG is an O/D market is out of their mind.
Also, RDU is subsidized by Glaxo-Wellcome. It is unlikely that the city alone would warrant the flight.
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1597 times:
Does anyone know if cle will use jetways to board the 1900s or will have to board outside?
Maybe someone can correct me,but I don't know of anything smaller than ATR-42's or RJ's that use jetways. Certianly not the Beech1900. On Concourse D, they will use the piers at D-21 and D-25, from what I've heard so far. It'll be the walk outside. Actually, more than a few RJ flights still use the piers.
Ouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4001 posts, RR: 23 Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1590 times:
From what I know, the DEWs can only go down to Saab 340s (NW uses one here in TOL and other cities) and up to a 757. The only covered bridge that could be used on the Beech maybe some of the covered ramps out there - like the DFW Satellite terminal. However, don't quote me on that.
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Thomacf From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 540 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1540 times:
I totally agree with NWA Man, CVG is a much worse O&D market. The only reason they have more service is due to the fact that DL is a much bigger airline than CO and they have much more feed into the CVG hub. They are able to fill all their planes there with connecting paxs because they fly more people. This same principle applies to AA at STL and NW at MSP. In the case of CLE having lower passenger loads, smaller numbers of int'l service and more RJ (instead of mainline CO) traffic is not because of the city, corporations or population, it's the size of the airline hubbed there.
MasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 4725 posts, RR: 7 Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1514 times:
CAL has posted more start dates for CLE Commutair Beech 1900D routes:
CLE-TOL and AVP May 4th
CLE-LAN Jun 1st
CLE-MBS and FNT Jul 6th
CLE-SBN and FWA Aug 3rd
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