If you type in "Buenos Aires" as a keyword on this site's search page, you'll find a couple of nice shots of the Swiss J class product on the MD-11 (shot at EZE, naturallement) as well as some airborne shots in the vicinity of the Argentina/Bs As/Brazil.
If you're flying down to EZE with LX (and I know some of you are...), try and grab yourselves a seat on the right-hand side, as this is the best side to get a view of downtown Buenos Aires as you trundle south to Ezeiza...(comes up right after you've crossed that massive estuary called the "Rio de la Plata" which separates Uruguay from Argentina).
Here's another great (and very typical) shot of EZE during the early hours, when most of the Euro traffic arrives (typically Alitalia, LH, IB, AF and BA all arrive within a few minutes of each other - Swiss gets in later because of the stop at Sao Paulo.
Capt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1441 times:
Actually, since I have never flown Swiss before, I can't really recommend them as such - I was simply posting these photos for the benefit of those A.Net members who will be flying to Argentina in Easter w/Swiss. (I think there are about 2-3 people). They took advantage of an incredibly cheap fare from London to Bs As via ZRH with Swiss, business class, for only 315 pounds total.
Personally, I am happy to fly whichever airline is cheapest (that usually means Iberia or Aerolineas Argentinas, via Madrid). If money is not an issue, I would just fly BA direct from London.
I have no idea about which carrier to choose from the US. I would probably just make a choice based on schedules/total flight times, rather than airline. I would be tempted to fly a non-US carrier though, simply due to the fact that I have heard pretty negative stories about US airlines' Int'l service. This may be unfair, but that's the impression we get here in Europe.
Airplanetire From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1809 posts, RR: 3 Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1416 times:
Capt.Picard, first of all, you have never seemed like the type to do this, but please don't take this as an attack. I'm just adding my input.
I can understand where the US airlines get a reputation as bad to fly on for international services. I have six transatlantic flights and three were on Delta, two on Swissair, and one on British Aiways. None of these were bad. Two of the Delta experiences rank number 5 and 6 on my list and the other one ranks number 1. The Swissair flights rank number 2 and 3 and the BA one as number 4. I know you are a BA fan, so please do not think I am trashing them. The flight was nice and service fine. My conclusion though with that small sampling of international flights is that the European airlines provide a consistently better product and the US ones are hit or miss, but more often miss.
Capt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1349 times:
No worries, I wouldn't classify myself as a 'BA fan' anyway. I guess they're just a preferred airline. I don't use them much anyway (they're usually more expensive than the other choices available, especially to Australia or Argentina).
My only experience of long-haul was with Pan Am (London-Miami, Miami-San Jose/Costa Rica), and it wasn't particularly pleasant. The aircraft was clean, and everything went as planned - but the cabin crew were very old and very rude, and it just made you think "why on earth do they bother" ? I'm not even that certain it's sensible to have 50+ year old crew (but I'll leave it at that, everyone has their own opinion...)
On the other hand, I flew American and Delta internally two years ago (on vacation in the USA) and found them to be fantastic - and the MRTC on the AA flight was much appreciated!
Pzurita1 From Greenland, joined Sep 2002, 1384 posts, RR: 16 Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1308 times:
I think I was not very clear in my question. I did not wanted to know the best air service from North America to ARgentina, but the approach route, whether there were interesting sites to view from the air, just as the one you mentioned on the approach from Europe.
However, you gave me some ideas as to how to fly from US to Argentina... Now my question is:
Is US the only country in North America? So, Greenland, Canada and México do not belong to it...
It was very surprising to find you, well respected Capt Piccard, not to have understood my question!
LatinPlane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2629 posts, RR: 15 Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1281 times:
"However, you gave me some ideas as to how to fly from US to Argentina... Now my question is: Is US the only country in North America? So, Greenland, Canada and México do not belong to it..."
Geography varies with different people. I wasn't aware that Greenland was part of North America either. Many people in Europe think that Mexico is part of Central America as they do not associate it with its developed neighbors to the north. Even Mexicans themselves call their neighbors to the north "Norte Americanos" and not "Estado Unidenses" as they should.
If I were you, I'd try Lloyd Aereo Boliviano, I hear they have the best fares from Mexico to South America, and by the looks of it, they have established themselves pretty well in the market. Mexicana charges about double that of what LAB charges on the MEX-EZE route.
BTW, read your trip report. I flew to LIM a several years ago on AM and back on AeroPeru, via MEX.
Capt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1257 times:
Sorry for the confusion - I guess I should have read your post more carefully.
I have never actually flown from north america > south america, so I couldn't really comment on the views. My guess is that you might, at some stage, fly over the amazon rainforest - that may look interesting from the air. As you fly closer to the southern region of Brazil, where american/european routes should converge, you'd get a nice view of the highlands of southern Brazil I'd imagine. From then onwards to Bs As it's a bit boring really - just flat plain, interrupted by the Rio de la Plata, separating part of Uruguay from part of Argentina.
Regarding the definition of 'north america' - there was a time when I would gladly argue for hours over whether Greenland was part of the americas, whether Australia was part of Asia etc. etc.....now I don't really care that much. It's whatever you learned at school...(as long as it is reasonably correct!)
Regarding the respect thing: I hate it passionately. I would just ignore it if I were you. Why should I respect people I have never met? it's crazy!!
ARGinMIA From Argentina, joined Nov 2001, 487 posts, RR: 6 Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1243 times:
Actually I learned in school that there is actually only 1 American continent.. From Ushuaia to Alaska.. But I learned the bad way that in the US they teach the kids that there are 2 Americas.. North and south.. .. Here is some text I found online about the topic...
A continent is one of several major land masses on the earth. There is no standard definition for the number of continents but you'll commonly find that the numbers six or seven are used. By most standards, there are a maximum of seven continents - Africa, Antarctica, Asia, Australia, Europe, North America, and South America. Most students in the U.S. are taught that there are seven continents.
In Europe and South America, many students are taught about six continents, where North and South America is combined to form a single America. Thus, these six continents are Africa, America, Antarctica, Asia, Australia, and Europe.
I can add that I also learned that Australia is a country.. The continent is Oceania that includes several other countries..
Capt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1227 times:
That's interesting. In Kenya (where I first had Geography lessons) I was taught the 7-continent explanation. I don't really think it matters which one you are taught, as long as you understand both types.