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WN's CFO - Plan To Add New Cities In 2004  
User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5843 posts, RR: 28
Posted (11 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10409 times:

Bloomberg and other sources are reporting that Gary Kelly, Southwest's Chief Financial Officer says that WN will resume adding cities in 2004.

Let the guessing begin again. My votes are on Richmond, Greenville/Spartanburg and Fresno as the next 3. Of course, that's assuming that we get no new surprises in the coming year. While I like COS, there are too many examples of carriers in a weakened state fighting to retain customers at the cost of yields. Better to let the UAL dust at DEN settle another year before entering COS.

Copyright 2003 Houston Chronicle News Services
Southwest planning to add routes in 2004

Southwest Airlines may resume adding cities to its route network as early as 2004 after halting its expansion because of reduced air travel in the weak U.S. economy, Chief Financial Officer Gary Kelly said Wednesday.

Full coverage at:
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/business/1776999
http://www.sltrib.com/2003/Feb/02132003/business/28978.asp


"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
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User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 1, posted (11 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10353 times:

ABE.

definitely. Competing against USAirways (at PHL) and Continental (at EWR), but they'll be able to make it work.

redngold



Up, up and away!
User currently offlineBoeingfan From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 385 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (11 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10315 times:

MOB/GPT --- Growing area, draw pax from PNS/PFN too or Casino's in Gulfport/Biloxi MS?

HPN/ABE --- vs EWR or other major NYC airport, ABE would compete with PHL/So. New Jersey carrier US?

MCN --- 80 miles south of ATL, just to make DL squirm

WN tends to go for the drive/fly crowd willing to drive up to two hours to board a cheap flight. Their demographic models are mixed some business with leisure pax focus, with cheap facilities and free rent.

DEN is too expensive.

FAT --- Central Cal. is growing

WN already knows and has the deal(s) lined up.



User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10313 times:

MSY would be definitely up for expansion, be it fortified current routes or new destinations entirely.

WN just received 5 more gates here, so they've got to do something with them!


User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (11 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10299 times:

I want BTV!!!!!!!!! I want BTV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! B6 only has double-daily to JFK that is constantly full, with the morning flight continuing onto FLL.

-Transaero Boeing 737-200

PS: Southwest could possibly profit, competiting head to head with jetBlue's limited service at Burlington. And jetBlue doesn't plan to be expanding.



What now?
User currently offlineSteede From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 10262 times:

I would love to see WN move into Shreveport. I know nothing about the costs of setting up shop there, and how lucrative it is. All I know is I go there about 4 times a year, and they actually have a pretty big(by rural NW Louisiana standards) airport that has a lot of empty space.

-steede


User currently offlineTol air From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 10251 times:

What about San Juan, Puerto Rico or Aguadilla?

Tol Air


User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4149 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (11 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 10232 times:

weighing in from New England, I can't believe Manchester and Providence will be the only cities here to see service by Southwest. Indeed, these two stations benefit from being within the sphere of the Boston metro market. Burlington and Portland make some sense, but I'm not sure if these cities are TOO small for Southwest (i.e. no draw from a bigger metro area). I do know that folks in Maine are coming down here to fly out of MHT, and I'm sure that Southwest is 'doing the math' to see whether PWM could support them. Perhaps not in '04, but maybe eventually. Same for BTV.

Chris in NH


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 8, posted (11 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 10211 times:

I think COS is probably up there on the list.

N


User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 2007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10128 times:

I definatly see FAT on the list, and WN people have been spotted at that airport

ABE is a big possibility, after all, Pan Am is out I believe and US is the big carrier there now, but I wouldn't be surprised if US cuts into service

I also suspect they are going to want to step up their presence in the Southeast, or at least that's what I gather from statements WN has made.

I'm not sure where they could go in the Southeast though that fits the profile.

RIC, is less than two hours from ORF and it could draw traffic away from BWI, which has become a star in the WN systm

GSP or CAE maybe, both are just over two hours from RDU and might get some traffic from the east side of ATL, and I am sure Birmingham gets traffic from the west side of ATL.

Depending on where my job situation goes, I wish they would bring back STL-IND flights, but that's wishful thinking...lol


User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (11 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10116 times:

Ill also pitch in with ABE...WN can compete with CO at EWR and US at PHL as its strategically positioned between the two...and ABE is the most logical low fare alternate to PHL/EWR

Greg



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 11, posted (11 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10113 times:

LV - a lot of Atlantans do drive to Birmingham to fly on WN.

Obviously Airtran has cut back on that a lot lately.

N


User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 2007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 10090 times:

Gigneil, I agree Airtran has been a big help for ATL, but Airtran doesn't serve much out west and that is why I figured Atlantans are driving to Birmingham for WN service, you know, cheaper flights to PHX, LAX, LAS and such.

I figure with something like CAE or GSP if it had service to someplace with Western Connections like MDW or PHX then they could easily pull eastern atlanta for people going out west, although I know WN has a tradition of not really looking at connecting opportunities and more strictly at O &D


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7802 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (11 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10052 times:

FAT, ABE, and the others seem to be a toss up.

Fresno is a strong growing market. The amount of new service that it has seen, plus the new terminal, should be encouraging for Southwest. Allentown seems to have a decent location and could capture a large area.

Richmond might siphon traffic from Norfolk, but they are about 2 hours apart. Likewise it would not siphon traffic from BWI (especially given that most service would be to BWI). Richmond would pull from Richmond metro (obviously), central Virginia, Fredericksburg, and the far southern DC suburbs in Prince William, Fairfax and Stafford counties.

Elsewhere in the southeast beyond what has been mentioned I think Greensboro-High Point- Winston-Salem could be a good candidate as well. Certainly a city starving for service.



Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7711 posts, RR: 27
Reply 14, posted (11 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10035 times:

HPN...no way, way too much NIMBY up there. I believe landing fees are rather high too.

User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10023 times:

PNS. Lots of military traffic here, and WN does serve SAN, ORF, JAX, BWI...all big military cities. Maybe they could make money, maybe not. Logistically it would be a good move, financially...maybe not. Who knows. Might be a bit too close to MSY though, as it's only three hours away in a car.

User currently offlineFlygga From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10014 times:

Southwest could move into FAT and take it over from the other airlines real fast. United Express and American Eagle would not stand a chance. I also think they would kill HP/Mesa/freedom etc on the FAT-PHX route. Southwest would easily be the dominant carrier there within a year.



User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16892 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (11 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10001 times:

You will never see WN in HPN.

"and ABE is the most logical low fare alternate to PHL/EWR"

I would argue that Atlantic City is/and would be a better alternative to ABE, it's also closer to Philly.

As for other cities, Richmond, Pittsburgh, Rochester, Greensboro.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (11 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9984 times:

ACY is way too isolated, granted its somewhat close to Philadelphia itself but thats about it...nothing else in that area really...

Greg



Chief A.net college football stadium self-pic guru
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9964 times:

FlyNavy,
DL pulled out of PNS-MSY service (along with TPA/MCO-MSY) and WN immediately snapped up the last two. I firmly believe that it's probably only a matter of time before you see PNS-MSY-HOU in their system.


User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8031 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (11 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9932 times:

Here's one destination that could really rake in the bucks for WN: Colorado Springs, CO (COS).

Remember, a number of ex-Western Pacific gates at COS are still unused today; WN could fly 15-20 flights per day in and out of COS and literally capture a huge amount of business, especially during the winter ski season. People who live in the southern suburbs may find it very attractive to drive to COS to avoid the highway robbery prices charged by UA for flights out of DEN.


User currently offlineScottb From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6808 posts, RR: 32
Reply 21, posted (11 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 9934 times:

One possibility which had been raised in the past was TTN, which offers great proximity to both Philadelphia and several million in northern NJ; the runways are a bit short, though, and the terminal is severely lacking. And TTN has a bit of a NIMBY problem as well. ACY is already very well-served by Spirit to Florida; average fares at ACY are among the lowest in the nation.

The simple fact that a given airport is two hours away from another served by WN doesn't preclude them from adding service; after all, MHT is under two hours from PVD and BDL is only a bit over an hour from PVD as well. Similarly, TPA and MCO are under an hour apart, as are PBI and FLL. The primary concern is to not cannibalize existing operations at another station by opening a new one, of course.

When Southwest announced its ORF service, they stated that they'd be adding RIC within the next few years. At the time, I believe the terminal expansion at RIC was incomplete, and Southwest also needed its terminal projects at places like MDW and ISP to be complete before adding RIC.

I could see Southwest adding service to SYR before ROC; SYR has a larger catchment area than ROC and likely sees less spill to ALB than ROC sees to BUF. Moreover, AirTran's already offering BWI-ROC service while the only BWI-SYR service is on US Airways Express turboprops. Staying in NY State, WN would certainly *love* to be at HPN as much as they love SNA, but the wealthy Westchester County NIMBY's have little interest in additional service there. And I think SWF, though it has GREAT highway access, is a bit too isolated at present.

One factor which might work in FAT's favor would be the possibility of US Airways moving out of Terminal 1 at LAX in order to be closer to its codeshare partner, United. That would free up gate space for WN to be able to add several LAX-FAT flights. I wonder if they'd be hit by any lawsuits from obese passengers forced to buy an extra seat and having their luggage checked to FAT... Extra gates at LAX would probably also make COS more likely.

I believe CAE is a possibility; it's able to draw from most of SC as well as from the high-fare CLT area. Similarly, GSP has the potential to draw from CLT and the northern Atlanta suburbs, and the Greenville-Spartanburg area has seen dramatic growth in the past 10-15 years. I also agree that GSO is a good opportunity for WN, though it would certainly draw traffic away from RDU. It's also the largest non-hub metro area without WN.

GRR serves an area of well over one million; DAY is also one of the larger non-hub cities without WN service; it's got gates available and can draw from CVG, but also may affect CMH negatively.

All bets are off if one of the network majors were to liquidate or abandon a hub, though -- I think WN would seize the opportunity to build another large market.


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5843 posts, RR: 28
Reply 22, posted (11 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 9886 times:

Scottb,

I understand that WN has indicated in the recent past that they didn't see a gate problem with starting FAT-LAX. I'm not sure what is being thought about how that would be handled. More than likely FAT would probably be served initially to LAX, OAK, LAS, PHX with flights to SAN, ONT, RNO, PDX, and SEA all high on the list also.



"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 23, posted (11 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9878 times:

RayChuang-

Back in the WP days a lot of people did drive from Highlands Ranch and even farther north to COS to fly on WP.

If they had just stayed put in COS, they'd still be here today.

N


User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 32
Reply 24, posted (11 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9766 times:

I'll stick with the predictions I 've been making all along: ICT and COS.

Tom in NO (at MSY)



"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
25 Post contains images PROSA : You will never see WN in HPN. Agreed. The "upscale" types who live near the airport would go ballistic ("Airplane noise would lower our property value
26 Post contains links STT757 : Atlantic City has the best facilities of the secondary aiports in the NJ, Philly area. http://www.acairport.com/
27 FlyCMH : Scottb wrote: All bets are off if one of the network majors were to liquidate or abandon a hub, though -- I think WN would seize the opportunity to bu
28 Lowfareair : STT757: ACY has Spirit to Florida already, a carrier with very similar costs to WN, and would likely put up one heck of a fight. Allentown just has So
29 AKelley728 : Scottb: One possibility which had been raised in the past was TTN, which offers great proximity to both Philadelphia and several million in northern N
30 LV : I really truly believe there is no way WN is coming to GSO for the foreseeable future (like within the next three to five years). I currently (or at l
31 Scottb : FlyCMH- Well, for one, Southwest already serves CMH *and* had more O&D passengers at CMH than HP in 2001, not to mention a larger number of mainline d
32 FlyCMH : Scottb: I realize that Southwest does serve CMH and does maintain a relatively large presence in the market. My post was more aimed towards the possib
33 DesertJets : I didn't realize that the Raleigh-Durham area and Greensboro-High Point were that close together. But both metros have over one million in population.
34 FlyPNS1 : I don't know if WN could make it in PNS. PNS is really a tad on the small size for WN's tastes. Granted, the catchment area for PNS includes MOB,VPS a
35 Scottb : FlyCMH- OK, we can analyze the Summer, 2002 O&D numbers for markets served from CMH by both HP and WN: CMH-ORD/MDW: 1447 daily pax (total, both ways),
36 Gigneil : WN supports far smaller MSA's than Colorado Springs. Colorado Springs is also an ideal alternative for many popular ski destinations in Summit County.
37 Delta15 : My bets on RIC. They just completed a major expansion, which was built in the first place to attract southwest. RIC has been begging southwest to come
38 DeltAirlines : My bet is on COS. WN used to serve DEN (until they closed Stapleton), which shows that they have HAD interest in the Denver region. Also, UA's dire si
39 Gigneil : I thought TTN now had restrictions that prevents even the BBJ from flying in. I could be wrong, but I don't think so. I remember Boeing battling with
40 Jcs17 : I am sure Birmingham gets traffic from the west side of ATL. People all around ATL drive to BHM, its not just the west side of Atlanta (which is actua
41 STT757 : Gigneil, Your thinking of Teterboro, Teterboro is in Northern NJ Bergen County adjacent to the Meadowlands sports complex, it's actually the closest
42 Flyboy7974 : Friends of mine are corporate and others doing the internships with Southwest Airlines right now, and I opened the BUR station in 1990, and was at tha
43 STT757 : "Has anybody seen the billboard for the airport on I-295 that has what looks like the engines of a 737-200, but the tail of a DC-9?" If your talking a
44 Gigneil : STT757 - Yeah, that's it. Thanks. N
45 Klwright69 : Just a note. WN was gone from Denver many, many years before Stapleton closed. If F9 and UA (or their discount carrier UA's now being developed) match
46 HlywdCatft : Places I think Southwest might go... I would perhaps add one or two more Michigan destinations... Perhaps Flint to MDW or STL, BWI Air Tran is the onl
47 Matt D : Fresno is not being looked at from what they said, FAT is too close to other SW cities already. I find that hard to believe. The nearest next WN city
48 BA : There has been lots of talk about Southwest in COS and it has been reported many times that COS is an extremely high priority for Southwest. Infact, I
49 Klwright69 : I think Fresno would be a good choice. But don't forget Bakersfield. I think the San Joaquin valley in California is underserved in general. Someone a
50 Srbmod : If Southwest were to start service out of an airport in Georgia, MCN would not be the best choice. MCN may be a decent sized town, but they don't have
51 Matt D : I think that BFL is a REAAALLL long shot. It's considerably closer to LAX (though still on the other side of the Tehachapi Mtns)though its a much smal
52 FATFlyer : Flyboy7974, If your friends say FAT is being discounted because it is too close to other WN cities, then why look at ABE? Both are roughly 3-4 hours f
53 Ouboy79 : Couple points... RICHMOND WILL ALREADY GET SOUTHWEST. Per a press release in May of 2001: Southwest Airlines, which brackets the Norfolk area with ser
54 USAFHummer : I think TTN would need better facilities before WN could move in there...their terminal is extremely small...only 1 or 2 jetways I think, but if they
55 Klwright69 : FatFlyer, you are right about BFL. I was only thinking about the area and the city, my error. I have certainly flown into BFL recently and forgot that
56 Scottb : Actually, it seems to me that WN in COS would have less of an effect on the United DEN hub than the competitor which already flies from DEN -- Frontie
57 SegmentKing : the next city is NOT in California or the northeast, but in the southeastern part of the United States and has NOT been mentioned here (I believe)...
58 USAFHummer : Insider info Nate, or just speculation? Greg
59 LV : Hum, Southeastern markets that haven't been mentioned here that have a prayer of getting WN servie Well SAV, RSW and TYS come to mind. Maybe an outsid
60 MD-90 : I wish they'd start service to HSV, even though Nashville's only 90 minutes north and Birmingham a little farther south. And all the gates (10) are cu
61 HlywdCatft : **Very slim chance of MEM or CLT (both hubs of course)** Southwest serves DTW which is a Northwest and a Spirit hub and the Northwest hub is way bigge
62 Post contains images SWALUVFA : A..L..L..E..N..T..O..W..N
63 Scottb : Errr the last two analyst presentations stated that WN has *no* plans of adding service to new cities this year, but that normal growth may resume in
64 Thomacf : Did they ever serve DEN: if they did what happened and if they didn't why aren't they? COS, Richmond and Frenso are all good picks. Wichita might have
65 Lfutia : What about HSV? I think WN could be good in HSV. They can fly direct to BWI and other places. Leo/ORD
66 LoneStarMike : (This is post one of two, and the recent software changes may make it look weird, so bear with me.)I think Southwest will go where they can get the mo
67 Post contains links and images LoneStarMike : (Post two of two)Cities #51 through 82 all have populations of between 500,000 and 1 million51 Richmond--Petersburg, VA 996,512 Southwest has announce
68 LV : I'm still trying to figure out where these figures are coming from for over 1 million people in th GSO catchment area. From my understanding: Greensbo
69 Post contains images 727LOVER : Scottb, TPA and MCO are under an hour apart???????? You must know a short cut!!
70 Post contains links LoneStarMike : Not sure what counties are included in GSO's metro population, but I got the numbers here:http://www.census.gov/population/cen2000/phc-t3/tab03.txtI a
71 727LOVER : No low-fare at GSO?..........ummm......AIRTRAN???!!!
72 LoneStarMike : Sorry, I forgot Air Tran was at GSO. Still, they only go to ATL, which is great if you're trying to go to the Southeast or Florida. Not very convenien
73 STT757 : "Southwest doesn't succeed by going into a carrier's fortress hub and stealing passengers who live in the hub city" Tell that to HP in PHX, US Airways
74 DeltaRules : I can see WN expanding to the Caribbean & SJU may be good for them if they could get a route out of MCO or FLL. DeltaRules
75 LoneStarMike : Southwest was already in PHX (since 1982). Didn't America West begin ops in 1983? My point is that Southwest was there first. As for BWI, they only we
76 FATFlyer : The list of counties included in the Census Bureau's definition of a Metro Area can be found here: http://www.census.gov/population/estimates/metro-ci
77 BA : For those who are saying that Colorado Springs (COS) is not on the short list, that is entirely false. It was reported about a year ago that COS is #4
78 Gsoflyer : You don't look at geography much do you LV? Greensboro hovers around 300k, which is larger than Raleigh. Winston-Salem hovers around 175k which is lar
79 Post contains links FATFlyer : BA, You know I think COS is a good potential market. But your info about enplanements is a bit misleading. Yes, COS finished 2002 with an increase in
80 LoneStarMike : Like many have mentioned previously, Southwest serves MANY cities that are much smaller than Colorado Springs. Some half the size.Well, yes, Southwest
81 LV : GSO Flyer I live in Greensboro. In fact, just to get a bit more specific, I live just off Battleground Ave on the Northwest side near New Garden Road.
82 SegmentKing : Greg/USAFHummer~~~ I'm not speculating... Southwest has asked for leasing information and gate availability from this particular airport, which only O
83 LV : Segment King, If Delta and US are taking advantage of this market, does that mean that Air Tran is not currently serving this airport?
84 SegmentKing : correct, but it will be serviced by Air Wisconsin d/b/a AirTran JetConnect in the next 6 months. -n
85 PSU.DTW.SCE : OK, well this post certainly has almost gotten a little out of hand. Basically there is nothing we can conclude from this thread. Its turned into a lo
86 Venuscat2 : About GRR..... I have heard that WN has wanted to come into GRR for years, but hasn't been able to because of lack of gate space. Currently we only ha
87 WMUPilot : There is no customer base in GRR for WN to come in with 737's. GRR is already run by Northwest to DTW and MSP. Chicago is served by UA, AA, TZ. Very r
88 Cloudy : "Southwest doesn't succeed by going into a carrier's fortress hub and stealing passengers who live in the hub city" Tell that to HP in PHX, US Airways
89 Ouboy79 : PSU...I agree with your assesment. Unfortunately many people here have failed to realize the only fact in this thread. That being, RICHMOND (RIC) has
90 PSU.DTW.SCE : DTW is an interesting situation in the WN route structure. Yes, DTW is dominated by NW, and Spirit has a sizable operation and caters to the "low fare
91 STT757 : "The Baltimore hub was more important to metrojet than USairways. From what I remember, it was never a key part of the mainline system like Pittsburgh
92 Gsoflyer : So, LV, you just live a few blocks from me. I leave near old battleground and new garden st's intersection. I am not leveling accusations, I said simp
93 B777UA : I would like to see Southwest, come To Moline Illinios, Cedar Rapids Iowa or Peoria Illinois I dooubt that would ever happen tho
94 Eric505 : WN officials came to CAE in 2001 and talked with the airport officials about coming here. The airport has plenty of space available too. We'll see how
95 Gsoflyer : Ouboy79, how is annoucing RIC obvious???? All WN said was that RIC will one day be served. It never said soon. It never said how soon. RIC falls into
96 Ouboy79 : Was GSO in a press release put out by the company?
97 Gigneil : More than just Airtran is keeping WN out of Atlanta... The frequently long ground delays at that airport are also a factor. N
98 747firstclass : B777UA, Dogs will be flying into PIA etc. before WN does. Seriously though that issue has been raised before with the various powers that be. The ques
99 Cloudy : The distance to STL and MDW is not as big a factor as the relatively low population of Peoria, Springfield and other central Illinois cities. Not only
100 Gigneil : COS really is a good idea. Its ideally located as a supplemental focus city for E-W longhauls and Western regional flights, and the city can support a
101 DCA-ROCguy : The likeliest next city is probably Richmond, as OUBoy noted; it's the only one about which Southwest has actually commented, as evidenced by the pres
102 Coronado : Mobile Alabama is a likey WN expansion site--I am not sure why it is being overlooked so readily. Over 1/2 million plus surrounding rapid growth. Far
103 Post contains images FATFlyer : But...at some point WN will deal with the fact that they aren't going to get any closer to NYC than ABE or SMF. Thus, I'd argue they'll enter ABE, whi
104 DCA-ROCguy : Jim, If the closest they can get is Sacramento or Allentown, then I'd pick ABE also. D'OH!! Someday I'll learn to keep SWF and SMF straight. Coronado-
105 MAH4546 : I'm not speculating... Southwest has asked for leasing information and gate availability from this particular airport, which only ONE person has menti
106 Post contains images SegmentKing : Mark ~~~ close Look at some of the old Eastwind markets *koff* and cities they planned on serving......
107 Post contains images Ouboy79 : UGH....the next city isn't RIC - but maybe the 2nd. I wish I could just spit it out...but unfortunately I was told my house would be raided by men in
108 LV : Charleston, South Carolina maybe....it has just over 500k, and I think it has one gate open, is not currently served by air tran
109 Rolex01 : WMUPilot said.... NW services about 500,000 passengers a month and they don't want to see that go....only time will tell LOL.. I think you mean 50,000
110 LV : Let's run it up the flag pole and see, who salutes but no one ever does...im not sick but im not well Harvey Danger....Flagpole Sitta Just trying to g
111 Trey : well, having lived in CHS for while i can tell you that it is not particullary convient to get to unless you are planning on playing a lot of golf alo
112 SegmentKing : there is a lot of business in CHS.... do a bit more homework. And in regards to the CHS - Florida traffic, you'd be shocked. Also take a look at the l
113 Srbmod : My top three picks: 1. SAV, far enough from JAX not to pull a large number of WN pax away from; close enough to several major vacation areas (Hilton H
114 Post contains images Ouboy79 : At least people are getting warmer - according to what i've been told.
115 Lindy : LV wrote: "GSP or CAE maybe, both are just over two hours from RDU and might get some traffic from the east side of ATL, and I am sure Birmingham gets
116 Twa902fly : I think ANC... even though it is an AS hub and has like 10 flights a day from SEA... Southwest could definately do some routes with their 737-700s ANC
117 Trey : SegmentKing- Look, I have done my homework and I have lived there. Trust me, there is no business to speak of in CHS other than tourism. The companies
118 SegmentKing : But you don't think that a large island not far off the coast of Charleston brings in a good amount of traffic? Do some research on the owners of the
119 Trey : Segmentking- Isle of Palms and Kiawah are fine places, I like them very much; however, if you refer to my previous posting you will see that I recogni
120 SegmentKing : well obviously some folks in Dallas seem to like the CHS market and the opportunities to grow. Southwest DID select Jackson a few years back.....
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