FATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5738 posts, RR: 16 Posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9288 times:
Bloomberg and other sources are reporting that Gary Kelly, Southwest's Chief Financial Officer says that WN will resume adding cities in 2004.
Let the guessing begin again. My votes are on Richmond, Greenville/Spartanburg and Fresno as the next 3. Of course, that's assuming that we get no new surprises in the coming year. While I like COS, there are too many examples of carriers in a weakened state fighting to retain customers at the cost of yields. Better to let the UAL dust at DEN settle another year before entering COS.
Copyright 2003 Houston Chronicle News Services
Southwest planning to add routes in 2004
Southwest Airlines may resume adding cities to its route network as early as 2004 after halting its expansion because of reduced air travel in the weak U.S. economy, Chief Financial Officer Gary Kelly said Wednesday.
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Boeingfan From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 385 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9194 times:
MOB/GPT --- Growing area, draw pax from PNS/PFN too or Casino's in Gulfport/Biloxi MS?
HPN/ABE --- vs EWR or other major NYC airport, ABE would compete with PHL/So. New Jersey carrier US?
MCN --- 80 miles south of ATL, just to make DL squirm
WN tends to go for the drive/fly crowd willing to drive up to two hours to board a cheap flight. Their demographic models are mixed some business with leisure pax focus, with cheap facilities and free rent.
Steede From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 87 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9141 times:
I would love to see WN move into Shreveport. I know nothing about the costs of setting up shop there, and how lucrative it is. All I know is I go there about 4 times a year, and they actually have a pretty big(by rural NW Louisiana standards) airport that has a lot of empty space.
ChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3908 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9111 times:
weighing in from New England, I can't believe Manchester and Providence will be the only cities here to see service by Southwest. Indeed, these two stations benefit from being within the sphere of the Boston metro market. Burlington and Portland make some sense, but I'm not sure if these cities are TOO small for Southwest (i.e. no draw from a bigger metro area). I do know that folks in Maine are coming down here to fly out of MHT, and I'm sure that Southwest is 'doing the math' to see whether PWM could support them. Perhaps not in '04, but maybe eventually. Same for BTV.
LV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 1879 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8969 times:
Gigneil, I agree Airtran has been a big help for ATL, but Airtran doesn't serve much out west and that is why I figured Atlantans are driving to Birmingham for WN service, you know, cheaper flights to PHX, LAX, LAS and such.
I figure with something like CAE or GSP if it had service to someplace with Western Connections like MDW or PHX then they could easily pull eastern atlanta for people going out west, although I know WN has a tradition of not really looking at connecting opportunities and more strictly at O &D
DesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7713 posts, RR: 17 Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8931 times:
FAT, ABE, and the others seem to be a toss up.
Fresno is a strong growing market. The amount of new service that it has seen, plus the new terminal, should be encouraging for Southwest. Allentown seems to have a decent location and could capture a large area.
Richmond might siphon traffic from Norfolk, but they are about 2 hours apart. Likewise it would not siphon traffic from BWI (especially given that most service would be to BWI). Richmond would pull from Richmond metro (obviously), central Virginia, Fredericksburg, and the far southern DC suburbs in Prince William, Fairfax and Stafford counties.
Elsewhere in the southeast beyond what has been mentioned I think Greensboro-High Point- Winston-Salem could be a good candidate as well. Certainly a city starving for service.
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Flynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8902 times:
PNS. Lots of military traffic here, and WN does serve SAN, ORF, JAX, BWI...all big military cities. Maybe they could make money, maybe not. Logistically it would be a good move, financially...maybe not. Who knows. Might be a bit too close to MSY though, as it's only three hours away in a car.
Flygga From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8893 times:
Southwest could move into FAT and take it over from the other airlines real fast. United Express and American Eagle would not stand a chance. I also think they would kill HP/Mesa/freedom etc on the FAT-PHX route. Southwest would easily be the dominant carrier there within a year.
ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8843 times:
DL pulled out of PNS-MSY service (along with TPA/MCO-MSY) and WN immediately snapped up the last two. I firmly believe that it's probably only a matter of time before you see PNS-MSY-HOU in their system.
RayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7860 posts, RR: 5 Reply 20, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8811 times:
Here's one destination that could really rake in the bucks for WN: Colorado Springs, CO (COS).
Remember, a number of ex-Western Pacific gates at COS are still unused today; WN could fly 15-20 flights per day in and out of COS and literally capture a huge amount of business, especially during the winter ski season. People who live in the southern suburbs may find it very attractive to drive to COS to avoid the highway robbery prices charged by UA for flights out of DEN.
Scottb From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6439 posts, RR: 33 Reply 21, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8813 times:
One possibility which had been raised in the past was TTN, which offers great proximity to both Philadelphia and several million in northern NJ; the runways are a bit short, though, and the terminal is severely lacking. And TTN has a bit of a NIMBY problem as well. ACY is already very well-served by Spirit to Florida; average fares at ACY are among the lowest in the nation.
The simple fact that a given airport is two hours away from another served by WN doesn't preclude them from adding service; after all, MHT is under two hours from PVD and BDL is only a bit over an hour from PVD as well. Similarly, TPA and MCO are under an hour apart, as are PBI and FLL. The primary concern is to not cannibalize existing operations at another station by opening a new one, of course.
When Southwest announced its ORF service, they stated that they'd be adding RIC within the next few years. At the time, I believe the terminal expansion at RIC was incomplete, and Southwest also needed its terminal projects at places like MDW and ISP to be complete before adding RIC.
I could see Southwest adding service to SYR before ROC; SYR has a larger catchment area than ROC and likely sees less spill to ALB than ROC sees to BUF. Moreover, AirTran's already offering BWI-ROC service while the only BWI-SYR service is on US Airways Express turboprops. Staying in NY State, WN would certainly *love* to be at HPN as much as they love SNA, but the wealthy Westchester County NIMBY's have little interest in additional service there. And I think SWF, though it has GREAT highway access, is a bit too isolated at present.
One factor which might work in FAT's favor would be the possibility of US Airways moving out of Terminal 1 at LAX in order to be closer to its codeshare partner, United. That would free up gate space for WN to be able to add several LAX-FAT flights. I wonder if they'd be hit by any lawsuits from obese passengers forced to buy an extra seat and having their luggage checked to FAT... Extra gates at LAX would probably also make COS more likely.
I believe CAE is a possibility; it's able to draw from most of SC as well as from the high-fare CLT area. Similarly, GSP has the potential to draw from CLT and the northern Atlanta suburbs, and the Greenville-Spartanburg area has seen dramatic growth in the past 10-15 years. I also agree that GSO is a good opportunity for WN, though it would certainly draw traffic away from RDU. It's also the largest non-hub metro area without WN.
GRR serves an area of well over one million; DAY is also one of the larger non-hub cities without WN service; it's got gates available and can draw from CVG, but also may affect CMH negatively.
All bets are off if one of the network majors were to liquidate or abandon a hub, though -- I think WN would seize the opportunity to build another large market.
FATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5738 posts, RR: 16 Reply 22, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8765 times:
I understand that WN has indicated in the recent past that they didn't see a gate problem with starting FAT-LAX. I'm not sure what is being thought about how that would be handled. More than likely FAT would probably be served initially to LAX, OAK, LAS, PHX with flights to SAN, ONT, RNO, PDX, and SEA all high on the list also.
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