CanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3387 posts, RR: 9 Posted (11 years 2 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3503 times:
Canadi>n Airlines intl. was born out of the merge of CP Air and Pacific Western, a western based private enterprize what would eventually be swallowed up by the eastern based government supported Air Canada.
I remember when I was younger we always flew Canadian. I still have many thins in my room like pens, posters, those little I fly Canadian stickers, travel bags, models etc. etc. aswell as many happy memories. Canadi>n was the first airline I flew, the one I flew the most, the airline that took me to Australia - a dream come true, and many other happy memories.
I liked Canadian much more than Air Canada. Many people I have tlked with agree that they preferred Canadian's service over Air Canada's. Another thing about Canadian is hey also flew to the northern 3rd of Canada, unlike Air Canada.
Anyone have any memories about Canadi>n?
Stories about Canadi>n?
Agree that Canadi>n had good service with friendly staff?
Agree that Canadi>n deserved credit for serving the north well?
Westjet_8 From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 451 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (11 years 2 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3420 times:
I remeber jumpseating into San Deigo and talking with the piolets for most of the flight then the almost empty terminal when we got there. I also because I had a younger sister remeber the great kids pack they used to give out, with all the stickers and everything. I also remeber how the meals and in general service was much beeter then Air Canada's I also liked how they had there headquateres in Calgary instead of Toronto or Vancouver. My last memory is how my family would always go out of its way to fly Canadian over Air Canada, like on one of our flights to Phonix we connected American instead of United ect
Ansett767 From Australia, joined May 1999, 1021 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (11 years 2 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3381 times:
I can't say this is on topic,
But we had the same in Australia: Ansett went out of business and Qantas remained.
I much preferred Ansett as an airline, and I'd say that most people's opinions were similar - especially in terms of service back then. Qantas now has Virginblue as a competitor here, and has made huge efforts to try and increase their service, and it's finally showing which is good!
I never had the chance to fly Canadian but I really wanted to
Lymanm From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 1138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (11 years 2 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3374 times:
I jumpseated a MCO-YYZ flight back in 2000 when those AC flights were still operated by CP-only crew, what a great bunch of guys! They were both keen on meeting their AC counterparts and have adapted quite well, which, from what I hear and read, is quite contrary to other CP employee groups.
Britair From United Kingdom, joined Aug 1999, 933 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (11 years 2 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3267 times:
I have very fond memories of Canadi>n, beginning with a flight on CPAir from Sydney to Nadi/Fiji in the 80's on a DC10. I subsequently flew them many many times, mostly when I was living in Vancouver.
My flights with CP:
Vancouver-Los Angeles 737/320
Los Angeles-Vancouver 737/320
Vancouver-San Francisco 737
San Francisco-Vancouver 737
I had many friends who worked for them so they always felt like the "family" airline. I was working for Qantas when oneworld was launched and working for Brirish Airways when the left - that was a sad day!
Yyc_cda From Canada, joined Jan 2002, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 years 2 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3240 times:
As a former CP employee, I do miss working for them! Perhaps we cared too much for the customer and gave away too much for them when we were in competition with AC.
When we started working for AC, there was hope and potential after the merger to be one of the best airline in the world. But all this has faded and not impressed with the management style at AC. CP was not well managed but AC is even worse and very badly managed. They certainly do not care about their employees and customers!!
FlyboyOz From Australia, joined Nov 2000, 1969 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (11 years 2 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3187 times:
I agree...I have flown Canadian Airlines in 1997 and 1998. The flight attendants were friendly but the inflight service was extremely POOR! And also the seat pitch in economy class has more spacious than other airlines!
Honolulu to Vancouver DC10-30
Vancouver to Los Angeles 737-200
Vancouver to Hong Kong B747-400...I was so lucky to fly on the first-reg aircraft which is C-GMWW
Spyderz From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 651 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 2 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3172 times:
While I had flown Canadi>n only a few times, probably my best flight ever was on them. It was LHR-YVR on a DC-10-30 where I had the entire 5 middle seats to lie out on. It was one of the few times I have slept on a plane, but it probably also shows why Canadi>n is no longer with us.
Crj-900 From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 2 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3165 times:
Does anybody else find it interesting that most "great" airlines are now defunct? Could it be that perhaps you are viewing these airlines in a slightly biased manner?
A couple questions for CanadianNorth, what is the relevance of the fact that Air Canada is eastern based? Are you under the impression that Air Canada only employs easterners? Would you have preferred to see the Houston based (25% AA owned) Canadi>n take over Air Canada?
Canadi>nBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 2 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3150 times:
Aaaaaaaaah......be still my Canadi>n heart!
I personally have a very strong emotional connection to the late great
Canadi>n Airlines International. I guess you can say I was literally weaned
on all things CP.
Allow me to tell you my story.
My dear late father joined Canadian Pacific airlines in the late 1950's right out of university, where he worked his way up the CP ladder to an executive position in the finance and marketing departments. He was VERY much a pro-CP kind of guy, and he, like many other Canadian Pacific employees, had a very strong love and loyalty of this carrier. Dad also was stationed at various CP destinations worldwide, where he managed the set-up and subsequent day-to-day ops of local stations. He loved the travel and time spent around the globe.
My dear late mother joined CP 2 years after my father as a flight attendant.
She worked "the line" for about 5 years, ending up as an in-charge FA. I have photos of my mom in her old CP uniform, and she was an absolute knockout, if I do say so myself. She was offered a lucrative post as YVR base manager (cabin services), but turned it down as she had a great love of actual flying. My mother absolutely LOVED her career as a CP Stew, and with her seniority, flew many "exotic" routes, ie South Pacific, Asia (she especially enjoyed her layovers in Beijing) and South America. Lucky for her, she joined at the right time, as to be able to bid and hold international blocks.
"Till the one day when the lady met this fellow, and they knew it was much more than a hunch.....". Yes yes, as the "Brady Bunch" song goes, dad said he first saw my mother (in full CP stew uniform) in Australia. He said "she was a real looker!". He was returning home to YVR after being stationed in SYD; she was working the first class section where he was seated. Ohhhhhhhhhh! Dad always said he took one look at mom and fell "head over heels" at first sight. Unfortunately, mom, while acknowledging the fact that dad was, as she put it, "one hell of a good looking guy!" thought he was cocky, arrogant and full of himself. Besides, at the time, she thought he was a pax, and CP had a very strong policy about not fraternizing with the paying customers. Dad always said he acted this way because he was so nervous around my mother on that flight. Dad tried to "chat mom up". She was having none of that. Dad said he continually asked my mother for coffee, tea, drinks, anything so he could talk to her. Mom said she eventually said to him, "you do realize there are OTHERS on this flight?". LOL. Dad then told her he worked for CP; she demanded I.D (true!). Dad showed her the I.D. Mom was "intrigued, yet in a very reserved way". Dad offered to take her to dinner in YVR. She said, "we'll see". She was playing hard to get, and dad always said he was impressed by the fact she was not "a cow offering the milk for free!" LOL, this is how my parents told me and my siblings this tale.
Well, eventually dad softened mom up (he had his charm and suave ways about him!). They went out for dinner, and they both said it was true love on the first date. They "courted", yet were apart a lot as mom continued to fly her CP blocks, and dad went to Europe to be stationed in AMS for a while. Together, my parents dated "all over the world", as they utilized CP passes and travelled the CP route network. They said it was one of the best times of their lives. My dad, ever the CP guy, called my mother "Empress of my Heart", a name that he recited for the rest of their married life together. Eventually, they married, and honeymooned in Fiji and Tasmania (flights courtesy of CP!). By this time, dad was at YVR H.Q full time, and mom flew for a bit after giving birth to 3 of us, then happily left "the line" to raise her brood. But, as we shall see, mom never really got over her love of flying and aviation. It was in her blood, and dads too. Their common aviation gene was passed down to their offspring.
Growing up, to say CPAir was a huge part of our lives is an understatement.
We had CP plane models, posters, and everything else you can imagine in our home. Dad would always take us out to the CP hangar, where we would spend weekend days happily roaming around DC-8's. I remember how excited we were (and my parents) when CPAir acquired its first B-747-200, "Empress of
Canada". Later, we joined the Canadi>ners in welcoming the DC-10-30
aircraft to the "family". Mom "happened to get her hands on" a lot of CP cabin service items, much to the frustration of my father! He was always nervous when CP people came to our home, and made my mom "hide the loot". One thing though: the name "Air Canada" was never, ever to be spoken in our home. My parents were very loyal members of the CP Family, as almost all CP folk were. We kids would often tease our dad by mentioning AC, and he was bemused, to say the least. Mom kept all of her old FA uniforms, and my sister would love to dress up in them and play "stewardess". And my mom never tired of telling her offspring stories of her travels. Looking back, my parents were trying to instill in us the benefits and education/rewards offered by travel. We learned their lesson well.
My siblings and I had the wonderful and incomparable experience of seeing the world, a la CPAir. Family passes took us to Hawaii, Australia, Hong Kong, along with Amsterdam, Lisbon, etc. Those beautiful orange CP "Empresses of
Honolulu, Lisbon, Italy, Canada", etc., took us on many unforgettable journeys with our parents. Later, as we became teens, we set off on our own, and
CPAir was there to take us. Orange, indeed, was beautiful. The flights and on-board service was always superlative. Then again, do you think I was a wee bit biased? heheheheh.
I grew up seeing the growth and transformation of Canadian Pacific to
CPAir, then Canadian Pacific/Pacifique, and finally, Canadi>n Airlines International. One of my brothers joined Canadi>n in 1985, and worked his way from an FA to OSM (On-board service manager) to base manager, then director of FA Initial training. He is now, today, with Air Canada (oh, if mom and dad were alive to see that, and the buyout!). My oldest brother worked summers and part time as a CP "ramp rat" while attending university. Later, after university, dad got him a job at YVR H.Q, where he worked in the finance department for 2 years before leaving for a non-airline related career. My dad was a little disappointed at that.
My sister, much to my mothers delight, and my fathers displeasure (at first) joined Max Ward on his odyssey to transport charter pax in high style. She became a Wardair flight attendant in 1979, and flew "the line" for 6 years, then left the "line" to work in the YYZ office/hangar complex. She eventually worked her way up to director of Market Planning. My parents were very proud of her. Dad may have been a staunch CP man, but he had a lot of admiration and respect for Max Ward, seeing as how Ward was a Western Canadian Aviation Pioneer. With the 1988 buyout of Wardair by PWA, my sister was offered a job at Canadi>n in YYZ. My dad was very happy about this, and teased her that she ended up at the perfect airline after all. My sister left Canadi>n in 1990 to get married and raise her 2 sons.
In 1980, my mother, with most of her children grown and out of the nest,
became restless, and her mind returned to her flying days at CP. She discussed this with my dad, the result of which was that, for one year, my mom joined Canadi>n again. She just wanted to fly long enough to get it out of her system. She returned to "the line" and flew the CP wide-bodies B747-200 and DC-10-30. She was in heaven! All of us absolutely and without question supported her decision. My dad figured this way he could get out to the golf course and enjoy many and long games without her nagging him to spend more time with her! She absolutely enjoyed every moment of it. And good for her that she was able to return to her "passion", for my mother passed away in 1984.
My dad decided to retire from Canadi>n in 1988. He passed away in 1993, therefore did not live to see (nor did my mother) the Air Canada buyout of Canadi>n, which is perhaps a good thing.
Our parents left their children a rich legacy, of which Canadi>n was a significant component. When Canadi>n Airlines International proudly
unveiled their "Proud Wings" livery and slogan, my siblings and I flew to YVR for a special ceremony and function to celebrate the new image. Out parents were very much on our minds that evening, and we know they both would have been so happy and proud to have seen the return of "The Goose".
Needless to say, that evening was a very emotional one for myself and my brothers and sister. Our pride was the result of knowing that our parents played a significant role in the superlative reputation and image Canadi>n
Sadly though, we and Canadi>n people knew the carrier was in deep deep trouble. But if there was ever a slogan that best summed up the collective spirit and pride of the Canadi>n people, "Proud Wings" was it. It may be difficult for those not in the aviation industry to comprehend, but Canadi>n really and truly was a family. A family which had been through numerous challenging and difficult times throughout their history, yet remained joined together and supportive of one another, and above all, they never lost faith or their love for their airline. I truly believe the bond amongst CP employees was by far stronger and deeper than that at Air Canada, for facing adversity and challenges together united the people of CP like nothing else did. But make no mistake about it, by no means did CP people consider themselves,
"the underdog". There was a certain "cachet" and "first class" feeling about being with CP. And for good reason, as the airline offered its passengers
what many feel was among the best service in the industry. By this time, Canadi>n Airlines International now represented a very rich mosaic of the Canadian aviation industry. Pacific Western Airlines, Wardair Canada Ltd., Eastern Provincial Airways, etc., were all now integrated into the Canadi>n system.
As for me, I had the opportunity to join Canadi>n in the mid-80's. I was out of university, and like my parents and siblings, had aviation in my blood. I spoke with my father about joining Canadi>n, and he was all for it. I wanted to fly the CP skies like my mom before me. However, seniority at CP being what it was, I realized I would never enjoy the blocks and pairings my mother did (somehow, Prince Rupert, Whitehorse, and the Canadi>n Shuttle did not
grab my attention or interest). So, happily and with no regret, I joined the YYZ based international charter carrier, Worldways. What a great little airline! Dad was pleased with this, as he felt Worldways posed no threat to CP! Plus, he felt there was definitely a "CP" connection there, as Worldways had purchased 4 of CP's DC-8-63's. He gave me his blessing. And actually, when I think of it, I was working the same aircraft my mom had worked at CP years ago. It was definitely a very good feeling. I had 5 great and fun-filled years, with great WG FA colleagues, and very good blocks that took me to Europe, Hawaii and South America (and we're talking 3-4-5, even 6 day layovers being the norm, unlike the 24 hour layovers that make up most FA blocks today).
Worldways ceased operations in 1990. Very sad time for all WG people. Today,
I am still lucky to be travelling the globe by working for a YYZ based global corporate meetings/events planning co. in 1998 and 1999, I even did quite a bit of business travelling with....yep...good ole Canadi>n! I flew one of the
last DC-10-30 flights in 1999 from YVR-YYZ.
And there, for what it's worth, is my "Canadi>n" story. I will be perfectly honest and state that I was deeply saddened by the AC buyout. It truly was the end of a very significant and special era in Canadian aviation history.
part of me was relieved that CP employees (for the most part) would not lose their jobs. However, "The Goose" and "Empresses" would be laid to rest, and
that upset me a great deal. Or perhaps the pride of the Goose lives on in the collective spirit of those ex-Canadi>n employees now at Air Canada. I like to think it does indeed.
So long, Canadi>n. Thanks for the lifetime of wonderful, exciting and heartwarming memories. You showed me the world, and for that I am indebted to you. And thanks for being very much a part of my family. To say I miss you is an understatement. I've said it before and I'll say it again, "Above and Beyond" was a marketing slogan attached to the wrong (AC) carrier. They are three words that, along with "Proud Wings" best sum up what Canadian Pacific Airlines/CPAir/Canadian Pacific-Pacifique and Canadi>n Airlines International were all about.
Yow From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 2 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3100 times:
Canadi>nBoy that was a wonderful story. Let me bump it back up to the top of the page so more people will have the chance to read it.
In case you didn't know there still is, at least for now, a single B732 still wearing the Proud Wings livery at Canadian North (which just happens to be the main competitor to my airline, First Air) lol.
AWspicious From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 2 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3077 times:
Excellent read... As always. I always look forward to reading your posts, CdnLad.
In my opinion, the Proud Wings paint scheme was the best in the world. Taking a visual survey of my model airplane collection confirms my conviction. Other paint schemes may have nice colours and cool lines, but that flying goose design was just darn clever.
Britair From United Kingdom, joined Aug 1999, 933 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (11 years 2 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3013 times:
Canadi>nBoy, thank you for that brilliant post and heart felt insight into you and your family and the wonderful Canadi>n legacy. I share your sense of pride and loyalty and especially the family ties. Our family has Qantas as our bond, I remember the day I joined Qantas, joining "my dad's company", as being such a great day, dad was so proud. The day I told him I was quitting to join British Airways was not!! Dad had worked for British Caledonian so never quite forgave BA for swallowing them up! (I know history sees it differently!!) So for me to move to to BA was not popular! These days it's fine, especially given Qantas' financial poisition vis a vis BA's! Dad loves to remind me
Anyways, just wanted to say thanks for a great read
Noise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1732 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (11 years 2 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2938 times:
Guys I got a question, do you think there will ever be another FULL-SERIVCE airline like Canadi>n in Canada again, or will we forever have to live with AC and the low-cost Carriers? I really hope that one day, an airline like Canadi>n can be revived and counter Air Canada.
CP744 From Canada, joined Jul 2000, 200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (11 years 2 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2929 times:
I think we may see C-GOPW #582 in the "Proud Wings" scheme for another year or so...
I believe we are only going to have 2 frames painted this year. The first one is C-GDPA #584.... It is in the paint shop right now and should be unveiled next week..... YYC get ready! Probably out of the paint shop on the 19th or 20th.
I just departed "OPW" this am to YZF and YCB... It did look great... Sorry, but I love the proud wings scheme.....
As far as the thread goes, I have far to many memories of Canadi>n to mention.... It is sad, although inevitably, that Canadi>n is no longer with us. I only hope that we are not relegated to see only ZIP, Jazz, and Westjet at most domestic airports soon.....
CP744 From Canada, joined Jul 2000, 200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (11 years 2 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2921 times:
do you think there will ever be another FULL-SERIVCE airline like Canadi>n in Canada again, or will we forever have to live with AC and the low-cost Carriers?
personally, I think we have seen the last of full service carriers, AC will flourish as an international carrier from YVR and YYZ... maybe YUL.... Domestically we will see WS, ZIP, Jazz, Canjet, etc....
We may see some "regional carriers" that have full service.... like Canadian North is at this time.... I guess the other question would be what is a full service carrier????