Parisien From France, joined Dec 2000, 819 posts, RR: 2 Posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2690 times:
Having learned my lesson for booking late last year, I am now booking my flight early for my annual holidays in Indonesia (Java), Thailand and HKG. I plan to fly from Paris to Jakarta take the train to Yogyakarta, back to Jakarta, a side trip to BKK and HKG, back to Jakarta to explore the western part of Java island and fly back home to Paris from CGK.
For the portion CDG CGK CDG only, I have a choice among AF (via SIN), MH (via KL), SQ (via SIN), or TG (via BKK). I did EK last year and would like to try another airline. I have also tried both KL and LH. I would like another airline with most importantly a good seat pitch. Don't mind if there is no PTV as long as they have a decent pitch between seats ! So MH or SQ or TG based on your experience and knowledge ?
9V-SVA From Singapore, joined Aug 2001, 1859 posts, RR: 8 Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2653 times:
For entertainment, ease of connection and unparalleled service, make the wiser choice, fly SQ. It may be a bit more pricey but the entertainment, service and the Singapore Changi Airport experience more than makes up for it.
Parisien From France, joined Dec 2000, 819 posts, RR: 2 Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2642 times:
Thanks for your response guys...I checked out the website of MH but it does not say anything about seat pitch. I did hear that SQ is comparable to BA etc (31 inches ?) and of course the seatguru.com does not have infos on these airlines. A couple of my friends here swear by MH....
OdiE From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2624 times:
MH and TG have 34" on all their B744 aircraft. SQ have 32" on their B744. Since you aren't too particular about inflight entertainment, I would suggest going with MH. MAS have PTVs in Economy where as Thai doesn't. All carriers flies pretty often to Paris from their hub in SE Asia. MAS is going to double their frequency from 3 wekly flights to 6 weekly flights, thus departing daily from Paris except Wednesdays. Connections to/from Jakarta is good as well.
I had flew with MH on several occasions between London and Kuala Lumpur and their service is nothing less than superb. SIA is a decent airline as well, but I will only fly with them for their inflight entertainment as their seat pitch sucks. I had never flown with Thai, so I can't really comment on their service.
I am not too sure if MAS offer this deal for flights between CDG and CGK, but if you fly between Europe and Australia, you get to have 2 free stopovers in Kuala Lumpur, plus 2 free sidetrips to anywhere in Malaysia and Singapore.
SR 103 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1728 posts, RR: 41 Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2580 times:
From the list above I would recommend MAS. The pitch and PTV combination is good. If not, take TG as the pitch is good and that is what you want. Like 9V-SVC I too have had a few problems with SQ, but they are an alright airline, definitely better than the other two when it comes to home base and PTV's. But as you stated, seat pitch is important so go with MH as they are the best option for your criteria.
Airtropolis From Singapore, joined Apr 2000, 138 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2547 times:
My advice is to go with the 2 star alliance carriers as from personal experience these 2 carriers have more consistent levels of service. As for MH, well, twice misconnected luggage, lengthy delays on 2 occasions and surly cabin staff have driven me to avoid the airline as much as possible. I find that SQ has pretty consistent levels of service with great entertainment. As for TG whom I have just flown to Seoul and back on, they provide great food and generous seat pitches on some of their planes.
Airtropolis From Singapore, joined Apr 2000, 138 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2540 times:
Forgot to add, TG also fly 10x weekly to Paris more than either SQ or MH although SQ at 6x weekly is currently more than the 3 flts per week MH currently offer (this will change from march when SQ go dailiy and MH 6x weekly), a small detail you may want to consider.
Dynkrisolo From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1845 posts, RR: 8 Reply 15, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2490 times:
Although MH has 34" seat pitch, the seats on MH planes are bulkier than most other airlines. It also reclines more which isn't necessarily a blessing. When the person in front you fully reclines his or her chair, it really gets into your space even if you fully recline your chair. This, IMO, is due to the bulkier chair design. The 34" pitch is actually a necessity to make it comparable to other airlines with 32" pitch. In short, I don't think the 34" seat pitch is a plus, but I'm not saying it's a disadvantage, either. It's a wash. About their food, because Malaysia is an Islamic country, the variety of meat served in their main course is extremely limited. I had enough of their chicken, and I wasn't impressed at all. There are quite a few people here who think highly of their service. I would say their service is above average, but there is a lot of room for improvement. For example, on one of my flights, they served tea nearly 20 minutes after they served coffee in my cabin. This is not a sign of good service.
Airbus Lover From Malaysia, joined Apr 2000, 3248 posts, RR: 10 Reply 16, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2471 times:
Dynkrisolo, go to http://www.airlinemeals.net and see what MH serves .. Their catering is defintely one of the best in the sky, when was the last time you flew them? Perhaps in the days of '97-'99 their service did decline a bit but is now better than before...
Perhaps you were just among the unlucky ones to experience the not-so-good on MAS. oh well nothing is perfect.
Twa@fra From China, joined Nov 2000, 140 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2464 times:
I have flown on TG twice, the one journey in Biz Class surly was great. But I was more impressed by their Economy service, it was "first class". You had been served like individuals and not like a growed of hungry passengers like they treat you at LH for example. The only thing I missed was the lack of PTV and the old BKK Airport isn’t the state of art.
Parisien From France, joined Dec 2000, 819 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2409 times:
thanks for the response. I am going in the summer. Looks like MH and TG correspond more to my seat pitch preference though the story about bulky seats damps MH a little bit. It says on the website that the seat reclines 7 inches...kinda a lot. All three airlines operate 744 out of CDG to their respective hub. On MH I would transfer to A330. On SQ and TG on 777 (if I take the later connection on TG out of BKK). Both 777 and 330 are my favorite airliners....though I have flown on 777s more often on UA out of CDG to the US.
Yes, MH offers one of the best prices out of CDG.
And yes, I am taking the train to Yogyakarta...aside from Garuda Indonesia, I am not too confident about flying there (please tell me that i am wrong).I flew GA once on a domestic service and it was great...
Do you earn United miles on TG ?
OdiE From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2406 times:
Parisien: If you take the aisle seat on MH 744, it shouldn't bother you a lot. The seats reclines more, which will be a pain in the ass if you are watching a movie coz the you can't see the TV properly if the person in front reclines to the maximum. But that shouldn't matter to you since you are not too particular about that.
It says on the website that the seat reclines 7 inches...kinda a lot.
Well, the more you recline, the easier you will be able to sleep. That's why MAS need 34" seat pitch, just to accommodate the extra recline.
Anyway, yes you earn United miles on both SQ and TG (on SQ it depends on the class you are booked on). On MAS, you can earn miles with NWA or KLM.
OdiE From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2375 times:
I totally agree with Tsentsan. I had traveled on both MH's and SQ's B744 last year and I can say that MH's B744 is more comfortable than SQ's. In MH's B744, you get to have lumbar support where as in SQ you don't. Lumbar support is pretty important to me on such a long flight just because I don't want to have a backache after leaving the aircraft. If SQ flies their B777 into Paris-CDG, I would have no reservation recommending SQ to Parisien as well since their B777 is a lot more comfortable than their B744s. SQ's B744 seat pitch sucks big time compared to MH's B744. Can't say for TG, but if they were the same, they are pretty good too.
25 CGK: Parisien: you must love my country so much if you come here yearly! Anyway taking the train to Yogyakarta isn't all that bad if you take the high end
26 Rupertvander82: SQ's 744 does not have lumbar support? I flown MH's 744 and didn't find their seats spectacularly comfortable. It was the same to me as SQ's and TG's.
27 9V-SVA: RupertVander82, the 744 does not have lumbar support, only the SV series B772ER have them. Parisien, you can earn UA miles on SQ/TG. You should really
28 Garuda: I've never flown MH before, so I can't comment on that. But I've flown TG and SQ before, albeit on short hauls only. Seat-wise, SQ and TG are pretty m
29 Ryanair!!!: I have flown all 3 airlines so go into the archives and check out the trip reports. Those who know me in this forum would know my fav... MAS. So it is
30 Mandala499: Parisien, I agree with Garuda there... For CGK-JOG it's only GA (733/4), GA-Citilink (F28), Indonesian Airlines (733), Lion (MD80)... The others aren'
31 Parisien: HI, thanks for your comments. Also thank you for some who have written me directly on my email address....I will respond to you soon too. There are so
32 Mas777: I find it quite weird sometimes how Asian flyers are so particular about their widebodies on short flights! (cf Ryanair!!!). In most parts of the worl
33 Ex_SQer: I have to echo Ryanair!!! SQ operates 777s/744s and they serve a full hot meal on the 1 hr 15min SIN-CGK vv sector. Sometimes when the flights are ful
34 Airlanka: Why dont you try SriLankan via Colombo which is a great stopover destination. May be you can hop to Male for a day or two
35 Mandala499: Visa is still as always, however, best you check the embassy in Paris. If you need to overcome any stay limitations, just fly out for a day and come b
36 SQ772: Ex_SQer...when you say full meal on the SIN-CGK vv sectors you mean.... this type? just main course and dessert, no choice of main course etc or this
37 Ex_SQer: SQ772: I meant the former! Sorry lah, been in the US too long, to me that is a "full meal" when you compare it with what we get here, even the transco
38 SQ772: Ah...I see. Well, good thing about SQ is that they haven't resorted to using those disposable alluminium plates on short sectors that you see on almos
39 Garuda: SQ772, The rationale of serving full meal depends on the flight schedule. If it departs around meal time (foe example, 7-8 PM for dinner), normally th
40 SQ772: I think there may be a slight problem with the definition of what constitutes a full meal here... Anyway Garuda, agree fully with you that the type of