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CDG-CGK MH SQ Or TG?  
User currently offlineParisien From France, joined Dec 2000, 826 posts, RR: 1
Posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3191 times:

Having learned my lesson for booking late last year, I am now booking my flight early for my annual holidays in Indonesia (Java), Thailand and HKG. I plan to fly from Paris to Jakarta take the train to Yogyakarta, back to Jakarta, a side trip to BKK and HKG, back to Jakarta to explore the western part of Java island and fly back home to Paris from CGK.
For the portion CDG CGK CDG only, I have a choice among AF (via SIN), MH (via KL), SQ (via SIN), or TG (via BKK). I did EK last year and would like to try another airline. I have also tried both KL and LH. I would like another airline with most importantly a good seat pitch. Don't mind if there is no PTV as long as they have a decent pitch between seats ! So MH or SQ or TG based on your experience and knowledge ?

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User currently offlineZizou From Australia, joined Oct 2000, 1535 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3154 times:

If you are keen on pitch, forget about SQ then. Fly MH or TG. Out of the two, you should fly MH, since they have PTVs as well and their service is very good.

User currently offline9V-SVA From Singapore, joined Aug 2001, 1860 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3154 times:

For entertainment, ease of connection and unparalleled service, make the wiser choice, fly SQ. It may be a bit more pricey but the entertainment, service and the Singapore Changi Airport experience more than makes up for it.

9V-SVA



9V-SVA | B772ER
User currently offline9V-SVC From Singapore, joined Oct 2001, 1797 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3149 times:

Zizou : I agree with you . MH is a great airline .

SQ is a good airline but I didn't have much good experiences with them but you can give it a shot .


TG , I have not flown on them .


Cheers
Charles




Airliners is the wings of my life.
User currently offlineParisien From France, joined Dec 2000, 826 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3143 times:

Thanks for your response guys...I checked out the website of MH but it does not say anything about seat pitch. I did hear that SQ is comparable to BA etc (31 inches ?) and of course the seatguru.com does not have infos on these airlines. A couple of my friends here swear by MH....


User currently offlineParisien From France, joined Dec 2000, 826 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3142 times:

Hi Zizou,
I see in your profile that youre in Australia. Can you tell me about the Australian Aviation magazine ?


User currently offlineAirbus Lover From Malaysia, joined Apr 2000, 3248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3133 times:

I belive MH has 33' on their B777s and B744s...

Make a wise choice, fly MH!  Big grin


User currently offlineOdiE From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3125 times:

MH and TG have 34" on all their B744 aircraft. SQ have 32" on their B744. Since you aren't too particular about inflight entertainment, I would suggest going with MH. MAS have PTVs in Economy where as Thai doesn't. All carriers flies pretty often to Paris from their hub in SE Asia. MAS is going to double their frequency from 3 wekly flights to 6 weekly flights, thus departing daily from Paris except Wednesdays. Connections to/from Jakarta is good as well.

I had flew with MH on several occasions between London and Kuala Lumpur and their service is nothing less than superb. SIA is a decent airline as well, but I will only fly with them for their inflight entertainment as their seat pitch sucks. I had never flown with Thai, so I can't really comment on their service.

I am not too sure if MAS offer this deal for flights between CDG and CGK, but if you fly between Europe and Australia, you get to have 2 free stopovers in Kuala Lumpur, plus 2 free sidetrips to anywhere in Malaysia and Singapore.

Here's the website regarding MAS seat picth:

http://www.mas.com.my/products/?menu=is&mode=mas04&mode2=&sp=3

regards.


User currently offlineSR 103 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1740 posts, RR: 39
Reply 8, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3081 times:

From the list above I would recommend MAS. The pitch and PTV combination is good. If not, take TG as the pitch is good and that is what you want. Like 9V-SVC I too have had a few problems with SQ, but they are an alright airline, definitely better than the other two when it comes to home base and PTV's. But as you stated, seat pitch is important so go with MH as they are the best option for your criteria.

SR 103


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13745 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3061 times:

When are you actually going Parisien?


Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offlineAirtropolis From Singapore, joined Apr 2000, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3048 times:

My advice is to go with the 2 star alliance carriers as from personal experience these 2 carriers have more consistent levels of service. As for MH, well, twice misconnected luggage, lengthy delays on 2 occasions and surly cabin staff have driven me to avoid the airline as much as possible. I find that SQ has pretty consistent levels of service with great entertainment. As for TG whom I have just flown to Seoul and back on, they provide great food and generous seat pitches on some of their planes.

User currently offlineAirtropolis From Singapore, joined Apr 2000, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3041 times:

Forgot to add, TG also fly 10x weekly to Paris more than either SQ or MH although SQ at 6x weekly is currently more than the 3 flts per week MH currently offer (this will change from march when SQ go dailiy and MH 6x weekly), a small detail you may want to consider.

User currently offlineMas777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2937 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3040 times:

Of course some of the added bonuses of flying with MAS is the fantastic food and the traquility and sheer impressiveness of Kuala Lumpur International.

User currently offlineAirbus Lover From Malaysia, joined Apr 2000, 3248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3020 times:

I think for the price, MAS offers the cheapest out of Paris? That's what i heard from a friend living in Paris...

User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6965 posts, RR: 76
Reply 14, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3007 times:

Parisien,

Go MH, Malaysian now flies KUL-CGK 4 - 5x daily, which makes it a lot easier on connections.

For CGK-JOG, U want to take the train? Oh well, why not, but now U can fly Indonesian Airliens there as well as Lion... Oh what the heck.

When are you going anyway ?

Mandala499



When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
User currently offlineDynkrisolo From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1866 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2991 times:

Although MH has 34" seat pitch, the seats on MH planes are bulkier than most other airlines. It also reclines more which isn't necessarily a blessing. When the person in front you fully reclines his or her chair, it really gets into your space even if you fully recline your chair. This, IMO, is due to the bulkier chair design. The 34" pitch is actually a necessity to make it comparable to other airlines with 32" pitch. In short, I don't think the 34" seat pitch is a plus, but I'm not saying it's a disadvantage, either. It's a wash. About their food, because Malaysia is an Islamic country, the variety of meat served in their main course is extremely limited. I had enough of their chicken, and I wasn't impressed at all. There are quite a few people here who think highly of their service. I would say their service is above average, but there is a lot of room for improvement. For example, on one of my flights, they served tea nearly 20 minutes after they served coffee in my cabin. This is not a sign of good service.

User currently offlineAirbus Lover From Malaysia, joined Apr 2000, 3248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2972 times:

Dynkrisolo, go to http://www.airlinemeals.net and see what MH serves .. Their catering is defintely one of the best in the sky, when was the last time you flew them? Perhaps in the days of '97-'99 their service did decline a bit but is now better than before...

Perhaps you were just among the unlucky ones to experience the not-so-good on MAS. oh well nothing is perfect.


User currently offlineTwa@fra From China, joined Nov 2000, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2965 times:

I have flown on TG twice, the one journey in Biz Class surly was great. But I was more impressed by their Economy service, it was "first class". You had been served like individuals and not like a growed of hungry passengers like they treat you at LH for example. The only thing I missed was the lack of PTV and the old BKK Airport isn’t the state of art.

User currently offlineDynkrisolo From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1866 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2936 times:

Airbus Lover:

The last time I flew MH was a couple of months ago across the Pacific. Their economy class food was definitely nothing to rave about.


User currently offlineParisien From France, joined Dec 2000, 826 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2910 times:

thanks for the response. I am going in the summer. Looks like MH and TG correspond more to my seat pitch preference though the story about bulky seats damps MH a little bit. It says on the website that the seat reclines 7 inches...kinda a lot. All three airlines operate 744 out of CDG to their respective hub. On MH I would transfer to A330. On SQ and TG on 777 (if I take the later connection on TG out of BKK). Both 777 and 330 are my favorite airliners....though I have flown on 777s more often on UA out of CDG to the US.
Yes, MH offers one of the best prices out of CDG.
And yes, I am taking the train to Yogyakarta...aside from Garuda Indonesia, I am not too confident about flying there (please tell me that i am wrong).I flew GA once on a domestic service and it was great...
Do you earn United miles on TG ?


User currently offlineOdiE From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2907 times:

Parisien: If you take the aisle seat on MH 744, it shouldn't bother you a lot. The seats reclines more, which will be a pain in the ass if you are watching a movie coz the you can't see the TV properly if the person in front reclines to the maximum. But that shouldn't matter to you since you are not too particular about that.

It says on the website that the seat reclines 7 inches...kinda a lot.

Well, the more you recline, the easier you will be able to sleep. That's why MAS need 34" seat pitch, just to accommodate the extra recline.

Anyway, yes you earn United miles on both SQ and TG (on SQ it depends on the class you are booked on). On MAS, you can earn miles with NWA or KLM.


User currently offlineRupertvander82 From France, joined Dec 2002, 411 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2896 times:

Airbus lover: You cannot use some pictures off airlinemeals.net to judge if an airline serves decent food or not! That is too generalised.

MAS has good seat pitch, but to me the seats are much less comfortable than that of SQ and Thai. It's built in a very funny way, that does not allow one to sleep well.


User currently offline9V-SVC From Singapore, joined Oct 2001, 1797 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2886 times:

If you fly GA domestic if i am not wrong , there are a couple of A330 flights you might want to check it out first .

Charles



Airliners is the wings of my life.
User currently offlineTsentsan From Singapore, joined Jan 2002, 2016 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2879 times:

MAS has good seat pitch, but to me the seats are much less comfortable than that of SQ and Thai. It's built in a very funny way, that does not allow one to sleep well.

I say thats very true for SIA's B777s!!!!!!!!!!!
Least I could manage a few winks on their B747s, whilst none on their A340s.



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User currently offlineOdiE From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2876 times:

I totally agree with Tsentsan. I had traveled on both MH's and SQ's B744 last year and I can say that MH's B744 is more comfortable than SQ's. In MH's B744, you get to have lumbar support where as in SQ you don't. Lumbar support is pretty important to me on such a long flight just because I don't want to have a backache after leaving the aircraft. If SQ flies their B777 into Paris-CDG, I would have no reservation recommending SQ to Parisien as well since their B777 is a lot more comfortable than their B744s. SQ's B744 seat pitch sucks big time compared to MH's B744. Can't say for TG, but if they were the same, they are pretty good too.

25 Post contains images CGK : Parisien: you must love my country so much if you come here yearly! Anyway taking the train to Yogyakarta isn't all that bad if you take the high end
26 Rupertvander82 : SQ's 744 does not have lumbar support? I flown MH's 744 and didn't find their seats spectacularly comfortable. It was the same to me as SQ's and TG's.
27 9V-SVA : RupertVander82, the 744 does not have lumbar support, only the SV series B772ER have them. Parisien, you can earn UA miles on SQ/TG. You should really
28 Garuda : I've never flown MH before, so I can't comment on that. But I've flown TG and SQ before, albeit on short hauls only. Seat-wise, SQ and TG are pretty m
29 Ryanair!!! : I have flown all 3 airlines so go into the archives and check out the trip reports. Those who know me in this forum would know my fav... MAS. So it is
30 Mandala499 : Parisien, I agree with Garuda there... For CGK-JOG it's only GA (733/4), GA-Citilink (F28), Indonesian Airlines (733), Lion (MD80)... The others aren'
31 Parisien : HI, thanks for your comments. Also thank you for some who have written me directly on my email address....I will respond to you soon too. There are so
32 Mas777 : I find it quite weird sometimes how Asian flyers are so particular about their widebodies on short flights! (cf Ryanair!!!). In most parts of the worl
33 Post contains images Ex_SQer : I have to echo Ryanair!!! SQ operates 777s/744s and they serve a full hot meal on the 1 hr 15min SIN-CGK vv sector. Sometimes when the flights are ful
34 Airlanka : Why dont you try SriLankan via Colombo which is a great stopover destination. May be you can hop to Male for a day or two
35 Mandala499 : Visa is still as always, however, best you check the embassy in Paris. If you need to overcome any stay limitations, just fly out for a day and come b
36 Post contains images SQ772 : Ex_SQer...when you say full meal on the SIN-CGK vv sectors you mean.... this type? just main course and dessert, no choice of main course etc or this
37 Ex_SQer : SQ772: I meant the former! Sorry lah, been in the US too long, to me that is a "full meal" when you compare it with what we get here, even the transco
38 SQ772 : Ah...I see. Well, good thing about SQ is that they haven't resorted to using those disposable alluminium plates on short sectors that you see on almos
39 Garuda : SQ772, The rationale of serving full meal depends on the flight schedule. If it departs around meal time (foe example, 7-8 PM for dinner), normally th
40 Post contains images SQ772 : I think there may be a slight problem with the definition of what constitutes a full meal here... Anyway Garuda, agree fully with you that the type of
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