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User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1588 times:

I hear there's a bill being introduced in the USA allowing freighter pilots to carry guns in the cockpit.

Would someone care to explain what on earth for? To shoot the captain/co-pilot if he goes bananas?

[Edited 2003-02-17 13:03:33]

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User currently offlineTheiler From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 633 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (12 years 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1565 times:

Actually, there is some truth to what you said about the pilot "going bananas".

You may want to do a search for FedEx 705.. A DC-10 whose crew was attacked by a deadheading FedEx pilot who was in the process of being canned. It was in the early-mid 90's as I recall.

Had the crew not fought through the bloodbath, the face of cargo transportation in the US (not to mention Memphis) most likely would be different..

[Edited 2003-02-17 13:54:37]

User currently offlineBoeing757/767 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (12 years 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1538 times:

Actually, that bill is far from certain. There is an effort in Congress to exclude cargo pilots for obvious reasons. On the other hand, you never know when semiconductors or clothing might want to storm the cockpit.

Free-thinking, left-leaning secularist
User currently offlineJeffs47 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 10 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1513 times:

I know that FedEx has some Pallet sized boxes that could hold at least three people in them. What if some terrorists got the idea to ship themselves?

User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1509 times:

I'm sure I've seen a joke web page advertising FedEx people bags, for those who want to transport themselves as freight. Perhaps someone has the URL.

User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1444 times:

H.R. 765, introduced February 13 by U.S. Rep. John Mica (R-FL), House Aviation Subcommittee Chairman would allow more than 10,000 cargo pilots to bear arms while in flight.

About FedEx 705:

Days prior to a scheduled disciplinary hearing, FedEx flight engineer Auburn Calloway skyjacked FedEx Flight 705 on April 7, 1994 with a hammer. Express 705 was a Douglas DC-10 operating from the cargo giant's super hub in Memphis to San Jose. David Sanders, 49-year-old pilot, copilot Jim Tucker, and FE Andy Peterson fought off the hijacker. The bloody crew landed the aircraft even though it was more than 20 tons over max gross landing weight.

Its widely accepted that Calloway planned to plow the DC-10 into FedEx's headquarters.

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The book about FedEx 705 by Dave Hirschman is "Hijacked: The Real Story of the Heroes of Flight 705" (Dell Publishing, October 1998)

Ironically, a doomed flight with the same number was the Northwest Boeing 720 that crashed in the Florida Everglades. Northwest 705 operating Miami-PDX was lost 40 years ago last week; February 12, 1963.

JR FlyingTexan

User currently offline2912n From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 2013 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (12 years 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1433 times:

The whole idea of arming pilots is silly. It is an over reaction to a horrible tragedy.

It is hard enough to properly train police officers in the proper and legal use of firearms, and in the US cops carry guns all the time. The legal and moral/ethical issues of using a firearm are far too important to toss around and just give pilots guns.

It will be hard enough for a pilot to sit behind an armored door and continue to fly the plane when a hijacker is holding a passenger or crewmember hostage in the back of the a/c. Never mind asking the pilot to act as a one man SWAT team....

Let professional security people (so far not TSA....  Sad ) carry guns.
Let professinal pilots fly the airplanes.

User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (12 years 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1430 times:

Guns -N- Freighters? Is that a new rock group?  Nuts

User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 2 weeks ago) and read 1387 times:

Is that a new rock group?

Don't you mean "heavy metal"...? Big grin

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