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Concorde Flight From JFK Cancelled?  
User currently offlineDC-10 Levo From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 3432 posts, RR: 3
Posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3519 times:

 Smile Hi everyone!  Smile

Just been looking on the BAA website for tonight's Concorde arrival from JFK and it is cancelled:

21.10 -- BA002 -- NEW YORK -- CANCELLED

Is it because of the snow storms on the Eastern coast of the US?
Will tomorrow's service go ahead?

Thanks.

DC-10

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User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3509 times:

All flights out of JFK cancelled today, I believe.

User currently offlineDC-10 Levo From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 3432 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3477 times:

Wow! Every single one? It must be terrible.

DC-10


User currently offlineRick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3473 times:

The Manchester BA flight (767) was cancelled this morning, along with many from London I guess. My parents were supposed to be going!


I used to love the smell of Jet-A in the morning...
User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 4, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3467 times:
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I am on Long Island. Radio just said that some flights are still open (???).

I live near FRG / KFRG), USA - New York">FRG airport and BBN beacon. We have a foot here and its still coming down hard.

-M

al, latest update= it will end later, with total accumulation at 2 feet.

[Edited 2003-02-17 17:27:13]


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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13210 posts, RR: 77
Reply 5, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3456 times:

We got a phone call from our JFK counterparts yesterday evening, warning that JFK was going to be very snowed under today, the BA001 was cancelled, currently that is turning in JFK to do the BA002, so that's cancelled too by default.

User currently offlineDC-10 Levo From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 3432 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3427 times:

Will tomorrow's concorde flight from LHR fly to JFK?

DC-10


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16872 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3395 times:

We are getting buried in the NYC tri-State area under 3 ft of snow!.

It's going to take atleast two days to get things up and running again.

I can't leave my house, the snow is too deep for my snow blower and Im not even going to be able to get my Explorer out until tommorow at the earliest.



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User currently offlineRed Panda From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2000, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3368 times:

Lucky us that CX888/feb16 was not diverted.
However, a freighter from ANC to JFK is subject to diversion.

r panda


User currently offlineAirFranceJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 480 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 3305 times:

Cant really comment about the BA cancellation but I can tell you why the AF Concorde was cancelled ------ especially since I was the the one that did it.

We were advised yesterday that the only runway in use would be 4L and 4R for takeoffs, and we all know the SSC can only use 31L so Paris was advised and the Concorde was subsequently cancelled, I'm sure this is the same for BA since they use 31L as well.


User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 3273 times:

Also the airports in PHL, DCA, and BWI are all either closed or on severe arrival and departure delays. IAD had 1 runway open earlier but have not heard if there are plans to close for some more snow removal.


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User currently offlinePshifrin From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 255 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 3260 times:

There is currently 22 inches of snow at JFK, i think that will answer most questions.

User currently offlineVgnAtl747 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1514 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3237 times:

Friend of mine is stranded in PHL... about 2 feet there... airport closed I believe.


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User currently offlineBellerophon From United Kingdom, joined May 2002, 583 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3103 times:

AirFranceJFK

...and we all know the SSC can only use 31L...

No we don't, because you're wrong.

...I'm sure this is the same for BA since they use 31L as well....

No, the reason is exactly as GDB posted.

Regards

Bellerophon


User currently offlineAirFranceJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 480 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3025 times:

Belleophon

Yeh the weather was a big deal but JFK its still open so get your facts straight. The Concorde can't take off from 4L and 4R due to payload restrictions and the fact that it goes right over the South Jamaica neighborhoods.


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3004 times:

and we all know the SSC can only use 31L

That's not true at all...
while the "breezy point climb" out of 31L is standard for noise abatement.... Concorde also uses Rwy22 as needed


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2995 times:

Rwy22R to be more precise

User currently offlineScottb From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6764 posts, RR: 32
Reply 17, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2976 times:

Well, considering that the storm pelting New York and New England is a good old Nor'easter, with the attendant howling northeast winds (20 MPH from the NNE, right now), a downwind take-off from runway 22R isn't exactly a great idea...

User currently offlineRP From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2943 times:

At 5:21pm, only 3 inbound flights to JFK. AA168 Tokyo, KAL251 ANC and AAR587 ANC.

That's it, 3 flights!


User currently offlineFsuwxman From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 439 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2938 times:

There are a few more than three, but still quite different than the norm.

Source: www.flytecomm.com, JFK for arriving airport. (5:30pm)

London, England Air India 111 07:59 PM In Flight
Tokyo American 168 07:07 AM In Flight
Seoul Asiana 222 08:34 PM In Flight
Anchorage, AK Asiana 587 10:59 PM In Flight
Gander, NF Evergreen International Airlines 6535 06:07 PM In Flight
Madrid, Spain Iberia Airlines - Spain 6251 06:16 PM In Flight
Anchorage, AK Korean Air 257 10:34 PM In Flight
Warsaw Lot - Polish Airlines 26 07:53 PM In Flight
Istanbul Turkish Airlines 1 06:58 PM In Flight



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2914 times:

Scottb,
who said anything about using 22R today?  Insane


User currently offlineScottb From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6764 posts, RR: 32
Reply 21, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2841 times:

errrr no one did...but you mentioned its use for the Concorde, even though it's still useless on a day like today.

User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4042 posts, RR: 53
Reply 22, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2834 times:

All VS flights to EWR/JFK/BOS/IAD were cancelled today too, but some of the inounds came in. Gave me a nice easy day at work, and I'm off for 2 days now and will miss all the subsequant hassle Big grin

 Smile



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User currently offlineGordonroxburgh From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2000, 550 posts, RR: 20
Reply 23, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2813 times:

If JFK was open to arrivals on a runway Concorde could use, I would think the weather at the alternate airports would put a stop to any chance of flying the service. Even if you did fill the aircraft right up, it would simply not be worth taking any risk what so ever setting out to an unknown situation, hence why the subsonics got cancelled too.

With so little aircraft in the fleet, maybe 3 or 4 at each airline flying (with the others in schedule checks) the last thing they would want to do is have aircraft positioned in the wrong places, causing further cancellations and customer inconvenience.

If AF had flow out today they would have had 2 a/c at JFK and maybe only 1 serviceable in Paris.

I'm sure the engineering staff will be rubbing their hand with the cancellations, time to catch up on the more mundane tasks with out an a/c to prepare/depart.


User currently offlineBellerophon From United Kingdom, joined May 2002, 583 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2781 times:

AirFranceJFK

The reason that BA cancelled the BA2 is exactly as GBD posted, and has nothing to do with the runway in use at JFK.

When you said ...and we all know the SSC can only use 31L... you were wrong, and when you now say ...The Concorde can't take off from 4L and 4R... you are still wrong.

The fact that 04L is an extremely noise sensitive runway that is very rarely used does not mean that it cannot be used by Concorde, when no other suitable runway is available. It can be, and it has been.

My facts are straight, perhaps you should check yours?

Regards

Bellerophon


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