Gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16309 posts, RR: 87 Reply 5, posted (10 years 10 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3860 times:
Search around... there's a detailed explanation of why they chose the A330 and not the 767 and 777 from not too terribly long ago.
NW is a huge cargo carrier and one of the requirements was a 20t cargo along with about 300 pax and bags on transatlantic runs. The 767 would certainly not fit that bill and the 777 would be overkill.
The biggest straw was that their A333 order could be converted to A332s if they needed. If they had gone with the 772, and needed to downsize the gauge, they would have also had to order 767s - a whole different fleet type. Arguably, not a good idea.
You can argue all you want, but each carrier has their reasoning behind why they choose the product that they did. Each carrier doesn't have to operate the same aircraft. It all comes down to the needs of each airline, the capability of the aircraft, and the price determined by the seller.
As for ordering A340's??? Not anytime soon? A carrier that is deep in debt and needs to cut $1.5 Billion from annual costs isn't about to embark on new capital expenditures such as the A340.
Aq737 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 612 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (10 years 10 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3790 times:
United 777- the 321 is a competitor for the Boeing 737-900, not the 757-300. If you had to compare it to a 757, you would compare it to a 752, not -300. The -300 is a much larger aircraft and is used to replace the DC-10-40s on domestic routes, and then the DC-10-30s on Domestic, while the 330s will replace the DC-10-30s on Atlantic.
Basically, on a one-for-one basis, the 330 will replace a DC-10-30. The DC-10-30 will then replace a DC-10-40 on domestic and Hawaii. Then a 753 will then replace the DC-10-30.
ContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 14 Reply 10, posted (10 years 10 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3768 times:
Northwest got very, VERY sweet deals from Airbus and at the time that it had placed a massive order for narrow bodies, the 737-NG family was years away from becoming reality. That's also why UA ordered the A320 family in 1992 as opposed to 737's. The A320/A319 are the backbone of the NW domestic fleet and pilot commonality is a big reason. It's interesting though that NW and its European partner, KLM have very little fleet commonality. True, they both are operators of the 747-400's but they could achieve greater efficiencies in term of shared maintenance had they tried to build similar fleets.
PSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7186 posts, RR: 29 Reply 11, posted (10 years 10 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3760 times:
For KLM & NW to share maintenance, it really wouldn't make that big a difference except anywhere but their long-haul aircraft. It doesn't matter what you are flying domestically when your aircraft are on a different continent.
ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (10 years 10 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3701 times:
They said *** that the 772ER had no chance.
They didnt say this... they said the 772ER would have been overkill for their Atlantic operations.
NW's apparent disinterested in the A343 (which they cancelled/converted) combined with the fact that KL is to begin operating GE-powered 772ERs (and potentially either of the 777NGs in the future) actually gives the 777 a significant chance with NW........ though I wonder if mass teleportation will be perfected before they actually make another new fleet decision
ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (10 years 10 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3618 times:
Actually... all 777 customers except BA, LY, and KE have flocked to the GE90 to satisfy their >92,000lb thrust needs; so there may not be anything in particular wrong with that type.
Also, no new carrier (that I can think of anyway) have chosen PW since the 777NGs have been available. All such carriers that PW has consulted about a PW4098-powered 772ER have either been past customers (NH, UA) or new potentials who chose otherwise (LA).
ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (10 years 10 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3574 times:
ConcordeBoy: You forgot VN
Actually, I didnt.... chose to exclude them because they'd have been a moot example to the point I was trying to make: even though they did choose the PW4090 recently, they also chose the GE90-94B right alongside it to do their transpacific and longer-longhaul work.