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NW Cancels 4 A330s?  
User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2882 times:

I hear tell (via today's Airways News) that NW cancelled 4 A330s...

Anyone know any details? Did they cancel 332s or 333s?

N

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User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2796 times:

Didn't they just transfer the order for some A332s from the A333s a couple weeks ago?

Did they cancel or defer?

Doesn't make sense if they cancelled (other than the fact of their debt)


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 2, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2785 times:

They did just change the order.

But according to this, they cancelled 4. Doesn't say exactly when.

Cancelling 4 had to cost them a pretty penny.

N


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16281 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2698 times:

Yeah, I read the same thing in airwaysnews online. It did not specify whether the 333 or 332. Given that the 332 number was just specified, it's likely 333 cancellations.

Neil.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6870 posts, RR: 75
Reply 4, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 2494 times:

NW is really having a ball with the A330/340 orders...

15 years after becoming a launch customer, they confirmed the order, now they're cancelling some...

Oh well, just shows that launch customers doesn't always mean quick delivery  Big grin

Mandala499



When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2598 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2431 times:
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I'm lead to believe, and I'm sure one of the forum's Northwest experts will be able to confirm or deny this, that the A330s being cancelled are from the original 1989 order.

When Northwest/Airbus struck the current A330 order deal in 2001, it was agreed that to protect Airbus' order figures, rather than cancelling the whole of the original order, they would cancel 4 aircraft per year until Northwest are relieved of their original commitment.

So the order which the cancellations form part of are entirely separate to those placed in 2001 which Northwest will actually receive!

As it currently stands Northwest have 32 A330 aircraft on order, 24 were ordered in 2001, and 8 remaining from the original 16 ordered in 1989, which will continue to be reduced at 4 per year until 2005.

If I'm wrong please correct me! I thought I read it here but a quick search hasn't brought anything up in the archives...

Regards
CROSSWIND


User currently offlineDynkrisolo From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1866 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 2326 times:

Crosswind, you are correct. Airbus has some rather bizarre practice of keeping some of the old orders in their book. Another example is Air Inter's original 333 orders. These old orders have been slowly being 'canceled' as Air France starts taking delivery of the 332 very much like NW's original 333 orders.

User currently offlineEnginesrus From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 2277 times:

Not to mention that old Iraqi Airways A310 order - don't think they'll be needing those any time soon  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16281 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 2099 times:

Funny you should mention the Air Inter 333 order....Air France just cancelled orders for 2 Air Inter 333's!




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offline747-451 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2417 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 2079 times:

"Airbus has some rather bizarre practice of keeping some of the old orders in their book..."

Nice to see NW putting up with this kind of BS....


User currently offlineContinental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5517 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 1951 times:

Damn, I wanted to see em in MSP! Oh well, NWA is doing bad, they have like 100,000 employees out! (sarcastic maybe, unless that number is true which it probably is!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Continental


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 11, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 1942 times:

You're going to still see plenty of A330s at MSP. We've determined they'll still get all 24 of them. These are cancels for older orders for bookkeeping purposes.

It makes sense in a way... and really there's not much for NW to go along with, it takes no effort on their part. A form letter and a signature.

NW may have had 100,000 employees TOTAL at their most robust point. I assure you they don't have 100,000 out.

NWA is also doing well compared with some others.

N


User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 1902 times:

I really don't think that the cancelled NWA A330s will make much of a difference to the people at DTW or MSP, both airports will see a lot of them still. I also think when things start going good again for NW, they will add them back on and that will probably come before they are done taking the 24.

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 13, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 1823 times:

HlywdCatft-

The orders they're cancelling is from their original batch and cancelling them was part of the agreement to buy the new ones.

It all balances I believe.

N


User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 1778 times:

The orriginal batch as in the ones from like 1992 or whenever they ordered them first with the A340s?

I thought they took care of cancelling those orders when they announced that they were going to buy those 24 in 2001.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 15, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 1737 times:

HlywdCatft-

Read the whole thread. The agreement called for them to cancel 4 a year apparently.

N


User currently offlineRuscoe From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1567 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 1715 times:

It says something about the state of the airline industry when it is better (?cheaper) to cancel a "launch customer" order, and re-order at present day prices!!!!

Ruscoe


User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1632 times:

Guys,

Correct me if I am wrong someone but I read on another board that QF are swapping 3 of their A332's to A333's.

Could they be the NW orders?

Cheers,

mb


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 18, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week ago) and read 1621 times:

Heh, no, no I don't think so.

But good for QF if they wanted to trade up. I hadn't heard that. So what does that make the count for each model again?

Hah while you're finding that out, maybe you can solve my nagging QF engine problem.  Nuts

N


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