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Lowering The Prices Of The 747?  
User currently offlineCiro From Brazil, joined Aug 1999, 662 posts, RR: 6
Posted (11 years 2 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2879 times:

Instead of launching stretched versions, would Boeing low its 747's price in order to compete with the A380?


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User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 2 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2826 times:

I have read this is something that Boeing would consider. Boeing has enjoyed close to monopoly pricing on the 747 during its existence. Lowering the price of the 747 would undermine the economics of the A380 to some extent. I think Boeing is waiting for the A380 to enter service and will make improvements to the 747 based on the 380s shortcoming. They may also reduce the price simultaneously.

User currently offlineHkg82 From Hong Kong, joined Apr 2002, 1245 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (11 years 2 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2818 times:

The entry of the A380 into the market will lower the value of the 747, and Boeing will have to lower the price of the aircraft. I think this is a very likely scenario. This will make it cheaper for airlines (particularly small-scale freight companies & charter airlines) to buy the aircraft for routes that don’t require such a large capacity that the A380 provides.

Hkg82.


User currently offlineAvObserver From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 2445 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (11 years 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2709 times:

I read that Boeing was going to implement a moving production line and other lean manufacturing techniques in 747 assembly to cut down time and lower costs. The price MUST come down if the AC is to remain viable. Once A380 prices stabilize at close to catalog, Boeing has an opportunity to undermine A380 sales by selling an about 80% capacity (of the A380) aircraft at less than 80% of the price. However, to remain truly saleable, the 747 must also cost little, if any more, than the A340-600. The dilemna for Boeing is that this could also undermine sales of the the 777-300ER, already their highest priced airplane.

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16345 posts, RR: 86
Reply 4, posted (11 years 2 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2650 times:

I think Boeing would be thrilled if no customers ever ordered another 747, and just ordered 777-300ERs.

Cept freighters.

N


User currently offlineCloudy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 2 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2568 times:

My guess is that the 777-300ER and/or even larger future versions of the 777 are going to be Boeings largest truly competitive passenger entry for a while. Passenger 747s will be built at a very slow rate and mainly for airlines that already have them. 747's will be mainly sold as cargo planes. For the most part, this is already happening. For this reason, I believe major new passenger versions of the 747 to be unlikely. Something like the XQLR may be built, primarily because it enhances the airframe's value as a cargo hauler as well. But there won't be any stretches.

When Boeing builds a cargo version of the 777, it will be a sign that the 747's days are numbered. But that may not be for a long time yet. The 747 has many advantages over the A380 as a cargo plane (as does the A380 over the 747). Since each is suited for different kinds of cargo operations and freight types, I would not be surprised to see them operated side by side.



User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16345 posts, RR: 86
Reply 6, posted (11 years 2 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2554 times:

EK will operate them side by side, at least for a bit.

There is also much talk of EK and the likes of LH pushing for a 777 freighter.

The 777-200LR will make an outstanding freighter platform, and will fill a HUGE gap - the 90t freighter market - caused by the exit of the MD-11F.

That being said, the A340-500 and the A340-600 would also make good freighters.

The 744's niche will be for long cargo that must be loaded via the nose.

N


User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 32
Reply 7, posted (11 years 2 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2524 times:

Why would LH want a 777 freighter? It seems to be about the same size as the MD 11F, and LH did get a few very good deals on those (60 or 70% of LH cargo fleet is now MD 11F) and if they need more, there are certainly quite a few MD 11 around that their current owners would just love to sell to LH, who is perfectly able to convert these into freighters.

Regards

Andreas



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16345 posts, RR: 86
Reply 8, posted (11 years 2 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2499 times:

Apparently it was discussed. I'm not saying LH is interested in the present, but that they have indicated a 777 based freighter would agree with their plans.

Concordeboy will no doubt have more details.

N


User currently offlineConcordeBOy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 2 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2357 times:

Why would LH want a 777 freighter?

Gigniel is right. Both EK and LH Cargo have been in talks with Boeing about a 772LRF.... if you want "verification", see Aero International, February 2003; which quotes them as saying they'd be "particularly interested" in such an aircraft.

Kinda shocking to me really; considering that LH, like CX and AA, is something of a willing slave to RR engines.


User currently offlineBoeing767-300 From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 659 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2285 times:

Kinda shocking to me really; considering that LH, like CX and AA, is something of a willing slave to RR engines.
ConcordeBOy I thought LH were big GE users, don't all of their 744 fleet have CF6s




User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2280 times:

LH is a longtime GE customer and only recently started buying RR engines.

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16345 posts, RR: 86
Reply 12, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2229 times:

Yeah they did used to love GE.

But subsequently they've ordered lots of RR. A321s, 330s, 340s, and 380s.

Who knows why.

N


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (11 years 2 months 8 hours ago) and read 2170 times:

LH are a major maintenance service provider and are thus interested in broadening their expertise on different engine makes.

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