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Airbus 340 Or Boeing 777 For 8 Hour Flight  
User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7017 times:


Summer I am going to Uk for the first time from Barbados. My options are as follows:
British Airways: Boeing 777-200 LGW
BWIA West Indies Airways: Airbus 340 - 300 LHR
Virgin Atlantic: Boeing 747- 400 : LGW


Since I like the 777 so much I really want to go on it and thus BA has high ratings. However since I like BWIA I really want to see what they LHR service is like and I have heard that it has improved with the introduction of the 340. Flying on the 747 will be a dream but my aunt who went to Uk on VS found it bad compared to BA. When my cuz came home from UK for christmas on a BA she said that it was so much better than VS.


Your comments.


Eagles Soar!
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User currently offlineArchie Bunker From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6980 times:

The prudent thing to do is fly the airline with the lowest airfare.

User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13518 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6957 times:
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I'd opt for the 777 on BA, personally.

Whichever way you choose, be sure you have the Bajan Flying Fish once you're in Barbados, though!  Love



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User currently offlineMsh744 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 463 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6942 times:

EA CO AS: According to his profile, he lives in Barbados, and is traveling to the UK. Just clearing that up.

-Msh744


User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 4, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6932 times:

Hmmm...tough decision. British Airways probably has the best service out of the three, but flying the 744 is a real treat...although I've heard mixed reviews of Virgin Atlantic. Dont get me wrong though, the A340 is my favorite widebody aircraft. So...like the previous person said, just fly on the lowest fare airline.

PS-Why would you ever want to leave that beautiful island!?!  Big grin



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User currently offlineDrdivo From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6931 times:

It's all about the triple 7, baby!


Respectfully - the Divo
User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6907 times:


Yes Barbados is nice but I have always wanted to go to the UK.

So going out of the UK to JFK which airline would be best at economy, If I go BA I really dont want to get stuck on another 777 but who flies 340s to JFK from the UK.

In my family I have carried planning a trip to a new level as I look at the type of aircraft we are going to be on.



Eagles Soar!
User currently offline9V-SVC From Singapore, joined Oct 2001, 1797 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6871 times:

I will op for the Boeing 777 too , flying the 777 last year , it was an amazing experience . I got to flew the A330 and a340 for 10 hrs flight and I find the A330 a much quieter and more comfy plane then the A340 . The 777 has a very spacious cabin but I find it cramp especially on a full flight , but if you ask me to choose which one ? Go for the B777 ride .


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User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6849 times:

Virgin uses A340s from JFK.
-Transaero Boeing 737-200
Depositing $0.02 balance is now $1.04



What now?
User currently offlineThumper From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 550 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6814 times:

I have flown on all three also,and if price is reasonably close I would go with the 777!

User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8504 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6733 times:

I've never flown on any of them, and I'd go on the 747 because I've never been on one.

But if I were you I'd try BWIA and the A340


User currently offlineTWAL1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 204 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6720 times:

Isn't the 340 just reaching cruise alt at 8 hrs?

I've seen that LH POS clawing at the air several times departing PHX.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 12, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6699 times:

That's not really a fair comparison. I bet BA's 777 struggles quite a bit to get off the ground at PHX as well.

PHX, DEN and LAS are notorious for giving any aircraft but really the 757 a hard time.

N


User currently offlineTransSwede From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1000 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6686 times:

"I've seen that LH POS clawing at the air several times departing PHX".

Have you ever heard of flex-power take-offs?


User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4453 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6649 times:

You don't do flex powered takeoffs in PHX, especially during the summer. I'm currently taking flight training at an airport 15 nm north of PHX. Performance or lack there of in this region can really hurt during the summer. At certain temperatures, PHX just shuts down because no one is going anywhere.

As for BA and the 777-200ER in PHX, she does just fine. One interesting thing is that it seems BA operates only RR powered 777s into Phoenix. I did a quick search of the flights operating into PHX and couldn't find one GE powered aircraft. A tip of the cap to the fire breathing brit hung on a Boeing! If you can operate into PHX year round with narry a problem then your first class in my book!

As a side note, I was fortunate to see G-YMMF at Phoenix Sky Harbor last week. It was definately a view as it was from 3,500ft above the airport during a class B transition. She stood out as everything else around her was a narrowbody!

LH and the A340 is another story. The aircraft does not have the same capabilities in the thrust department and therefore waddles into thin air at Sky Harbor. Let's face it folks, the A340-300 can be hit in flight at cruising altitude by a sparrow. The A340-500/600 though have corrected this problem or so they say. Hopefully LH will operate the A340-600 into PHX someday and we can see how she does!

All that being said, the 757 puts everything to shame. HP's 757s should be retired to the airplane hall of fame as they have been going in and out of PHX and LAS for many years without the slightest problem.



"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4453 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6646 times:

I apologize as I did not answer the original question.

I would go for the Virgin Atlantic flight. I have flown both BA and VS. VS though wins out in my book. You can't go wrong with either though. As for the equipment, VS operates very new 747-400s on the route.



"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
User currently offlineBoeingfan From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 385 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6631 times:

You did not say which cabin you intend to travel in?

Assuming economy:

BA is reconfiguring its 777 "worldtraveler" (economy or cattle class) to 10 across 3,4,3, with a 30 to 31 inch pitch (ouch.) BA has done a great job at cramming more seats through out the coach cabin of their aircraft.Disquising it as a "class," shame on them. (Why don't they just strap their economy customers to the aluminum tubing and be done with it?) They roll out cans of tuna once in the air, don't forget to share the can opener. You'll take turns with the water bottle, best to BYOB. There are no warm beverages by the time they get to seat " 98 Z." Though the back cabin on most airlines is most forgettable, you'll remember how uncomfortable your BA flight was! Skip them now, or skip them later.

Basically BA will not care if you fly them or fly a competitor, they don't have too. For best comfort and sanitation, remember to wear an adult incontinent pant... it gets pretty rank in the back ...you'll be fine. It is sad, what was once a great airline... the Worlds Favourite Airline... has fallen to high density "charter class."

The 777 cruise speed is higher then the A340, the 747-400 is fastest/highest.

Several off comments on VS lately? No recent experience. You just can not beat the 747 400 for a fun flight.

The BWIA A340 will score higher for economy comfort, 2,4,2, plus BWIA is local and I always like to support the local airline of destination (origin.) BWIA meal service is quite good, at least on their caribbean routes to N. America.

Next time price and try AA with a connection through MIA or JFK? You maybe surprised at the more room through out coach, plus economy on AA 777 (MIA LHR segment) is only 9 across 2,5,2 at a roomy 34 inch seat pitch. Good individual IFE too. Something Special in the Air.

In business or first, it is all a different world.

Have a great flight!


User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1927 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6622 times:

I'd say take the Virgin 744. I know you have heard mixed reactions about it, but I thought they were a great airline! They give you a bag of goodies when you get on board! They had a futuristic looking cabin, in my opinion, and the flight attendants were very attractive!!!

If you don't want VS, I say to take the 777. The reason being that I flew on an A340 once and I felt cramped in. Unlike the 744 or 777 which are so big that the interior walls are more square with the ceiling, the A340's walls were curved in quite a bit. In coach, I can stand up a little in a 744 or 777, but I can't stand up in an A340. So the curvature of the A340 makes it feel tight and cramped and I hated the A340 a TON! Not to mention its weak takeoff performance.

So I'd say 1) VS 744, 2) BA 777, 3) BWIA A340.



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User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4453 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 6419 times:

I find it remarkable that BA is cramming more and more seats in economy. Maybe downsizing to the 777-200ER for more "High Yields" passengers wasn't the smartest decision? Go with Virgin. The service is great, the aircraft are new and you won't be cramped as it's a 747-400 with regular seating. The seat pitch might not be the largest though.


"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8061 posts, RR: 54
Reply 19, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 6436 times:

Boeing Fan raises a good point, most of BA's flights to the Caribbean are actually an airline called Airline Management Limited (AML) who fly 777s in BA colours. Instead of the usual 9 abreast, it's 10 abreast and it's not popular. I'm not sure how important seat width is, Emirates fly their 777s with 10 abreast seating and they always win awards. Ditto Finnair with their 3-4-3 configuration on the MD11. You never hear complaints about either of these two. But BA's AML franchise is well-known and much disliked.

If Virgin and Beewee are options, I would forget BA's AML cattletrucks. Virgin have the best IFE, and Beewee's A340s with 8 abreast, 2-4-2 seating is the most comfortable. Have a good trip anyway.



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User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10657 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 6377 times:

1. Virgin´s 744
2. BWIAs A340 (because its exotic)
3. BAs 777 (didn´t like a flight in them)


User currently onlineCF-CPI From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 1047 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 6364 times:

I have heard of the BA 777s going ten-across in certain leisure markets, but are they doing it across the board, on all aircraft? If so, shame on them, and in that case I'd certainly take the BWIA A340.

User currently offlineBoeing boy From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 6291 times:

I've done both British Airways amd Virgin Atlantic flights from BGI and I have to say BA wins hands-down when it comes to service...the flight on VS was only okay but the food was worst than the usaul on airlines....but if its cheaper, then go for it. BA flights just feel more 'classier' and they do genuinely seem more concerned with the passengers. I cant assess BWIA to LHR, having never flown the service...yet.


User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 23, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 6272 times:

I've done the 777 four times, I would try the A340. Maybe do the 777 down and the A340 back up.


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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 6261 times:

No, BA aren't putting 3-4-3 in all their 777s. They're not cramming more seats into economy CF-CPI. BA DID have a few 777s (2?) configured 3-4-3 all economy for the Caribbean routes, they've been reconfigured or are being reconfigured.

25 Post contains images Britair : BoeingFan, I have never seen a bigger bunch of bollocks posted here! As a BA employee I have to respond! For start, we have (in response to customer f
26 CX747 : I know it's only been a few days since you posted, but have you come to a decision?
27 CPH-R : Eh, I'm pretty sure my BA 777 flight to EWR was in 3-4-3, and i didn't have a problem with it (I'm 6' 3" and large).
28 VC-10 : What difference does it make? They are both long aluminium tubes with seats in. I would be more concerned with the seat pitch & IFE.
29 Ba319-131 : If you are not linked in to a FFP and have flown on one of the 3 before,why not try out one of the other types. I used to love flying on 747's and 777
30 Airplanetire : I flew a BA 777 from ATL to LGW in June of 2002. The service was fine, but the seats were rather uncomfortable compared to what I think you can get. T
31 RkFast : Firend of mine who is a controller at Newark Center here in the NYC area tells me that A340s cant climb in cold weather, either.
32 BWIA 772 : It is safe to say that it will be between BWIA and BA. Thanks alot for all these posts. First bout this ALM thing does this include Barbados which ha
33 Continental : I love taking the A340 overseas. Why? It's very nice and QUIET! I fly with Lufthansa's A340s overseas a lot, I enjoy it everytime!! Continental
34 BWIA 772 : BWIA seat pitch is 33- 34 inches for economy. What is BA???
35 DIA : Still a toss-up, eh? From a non-aviation enthusiast (my father): DEN-FRA Lufthansa A340 - very loud - (he sat in the third to last row center) FRA-DEN
36 AA61hvy : I heard the A340 was very very quiet. I was on an AA 777 so it had rolls, they weren't quiet, but it was very pleasent.
37 Dw747400 : I flew on a BA 777 and it was the most comfortable flight I've ever been on (though I admittedly do not do too much long-haul flying). Each seat had a
38 DIA : I've only been on the 777. . .and I've loved every flight. I love the larger windows; does the A340 have the same size windows, or are they like an A3
39 Trex8 : My 2 cents I prefer a 747 anyday. My experience on UA and BA 777s is that the darn overhead luggage when closed is too high for me to reach to open wi
40 Post contains links and images Tsully : TWA1011: Isn't the 340 just reaching cruise alt at 8 hrs? I've seen that LH POS clawing at the air several times departing PHX. Haha, great one! Nothi
41 Panman : I know that this topic is almost two weeks old but I thought I would just give some info having just travelled return with BWIA. I went home to POS on
42 Post contains images Sabena 690 : BA again reducing their seat pitch to 30 inch???? /Frederic
43 BWIA 772 : Panman thanks for the info. Are the seats pink like those of the 737s with this leather like material.... I really dont know if I would like such a q
44 Panman : No the seats are not pink. Looks like they left most of the Air Canada interior in - only disconnecting the in-flight phones. 31K was on the right han
45 Atenara : A340 man! Ive ridden a 772 of singapore to istanbul and i must say that it did not feel very comfortable. A340's are always great aircraft to use unfo
46 Aussiestu : Well you may have already decided to what airline you will fly but as i have just found this thread i thought there were a couple of points that need
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