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User currently offlineJ32driver From United States of America, joined May 2000, 399 posts, RR: 1
Posted (13 years 3 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6714 times:

By Keith L. Alexander
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, February 26, 2003; Page E02

United Airlines' efforts to improve its finances have moved more rapidly than its bankers expected just two months ago, a banking executive familiar with the airline's financing said yesterday.

As a result, the executive said, United has not even used $100 million of the financing it arranged before filing for bankruptcy protection.

When United filed for bankruptcy reorganization in December, the airline secured $1 billion in financing from four lenders: J.P. Morgan Chase & Co., Citibank, Bank One Corp. and CIT Group Inc. At that time, the banks allowed United to draw half the loan, enabling its operations to continue uninterrupted.

To date, United has tapped only $400 million of the $500 million offered by the four banks. It has, however, drawn on a separate $300 million loan from Bank One.

The banking executive said the airline had no immediate need for the remaining $100 million. "They're ahead of schedule in terms of their cash flow. They have more cash than they originally planned at this point in time," he said, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

United spokesman Jeff Green said the airline has not used the remaining $100 million because "we haven't had a need to." He declined to further detail the company's finances.

To get the remaining $500 million, United has to significantly cut its costs by this summer and maintain a certain level of cash flow. The banking executive said he was optimistic about those efforts but added that United might not need the additional $500 million. "They've made good progress with their cost structure, and I think they're on track to satisfy all of the obligations that the banks had here," he said.

Last month the airline secured temporary wage reductions from its workers, saving it about $70 million a month through May. It is trying to secure long-term concessions, including $2.56 billion a year in pay, benefits and work-rule changes.

United and the unions have agreed to negotiate until at least March 17. After that, the airline can ask U.S. Bankruptcy Court Judge Eugene R. Wedoff to impose the concessions.

Last month Wedoff imposed a temporary 13 percent pay cut on United machinists, after the group refused to join the airline's other employees in accepting temporary concessions.

United is seeking $314 million a year in cuts from its 24,000 flight attendants. That's about $160 million more than the airline originally asked for in December. Jeff Zack, a spokesman for the union, said the group did not support United's cuts. "They're not getting it," he said. "They didn't provide us with any rationale as to why the flight attendants would be asked to pay significantly more."

United pilots began negotiations yesterday. The airline is trying to secure $1.11 billion in cuts from its pilots through 2008. The pilots union declined to comment on the status of those talks.

© 2003 The Washington Post Company

[Edited 2003-02-27 17:25:42]

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User currently offlineJ32driver From United States of America, joined May 2000, 399 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (13 years 3 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6527 times:

Come on people... whered all the anti-united folks go. This has been on here for 4 hours and not a single comment?

User currently offlineBa319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8743 posts, RR: 53
Reply 2, posted (13 years 3 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6482 times:
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This is good news for United,its customers and employees.

If the current restraint on capacity continues to be controlled,perhaps there is room for all the majors to co-exist,if somewhat smaller.



User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13756 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (13 years 3 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6484 times:

Hooray for United Airlines - if this news is true - which it probably is.

And that's all I have to say.


Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offlineUALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (13 years 3 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6463 times:

J32Driver they are all on the AA bankruptcy threads sweating it out.

Seriosly though this is good news UA has managed to save money at a time of the year when traffic is at its lowest. If we can pull through March and the self inposed deadlines there, then Spring break and summer revenues should give us a nice cushion.

User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8364 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (13 years 3 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6426 times:

In my personal opinion, I think UA ought to sell its tranatlantic and South American routes--routes that are actually better-served by other airlines. UA should use its Star Alliance connections so most LH flights from FRA/MUC to the USA will have UA codeshare flight numbers. To serve LHR, UA will ask Star partner SQ (who owns 49% of VS) to set up so VS flights from LHR to the USA will have UA codeshare flight numbers also. This means VS will fly more flights out of LHR to the USA (replacing all the UA flights to LHR), and a number of ex-UA 747-400's will be leased for five years to VS to provide this service increase. Also, this may allow VS to eventually buy more A380-800's.

UA should concentrate its international service on transpacific routes, where yields are definitely way higher. UA will keep 20-24 744's for transpacific routes, where the larger seating capacity is welcome on routes like LAX-SYD, LAX or SFO-NRT and SFO-HKG.

User currently offlineUALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 3 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6399 times:

VS may be owned by SQ but:
1) VS is not in the Star Alliance
2) Sq is a fair weather partner to Star Aliiance anyway.

UA has good connections to Europe and they are making money. The real anchor on the revenue has been Latin America. The depressed economy there the ridiculous loads you have to have to make a profit and the civil unrest in Venezuala make it consistantly the weakest region in UA's structure. Even in flush time Latin America lagged behind all other regions including North America.

User currently offlineKaiTakFan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1589 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (13 years 3 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6366 times:

Its about time a positive side is told on United Airlines. I imagine this thread will stay very very small due to the fact so many people out there who have said over and over again "Its too late now, they can not pull out of this one". Chances are United is going to pull out of chapter 11. Maybe not by summer, but soon enough. It will sure be interesting to see what will happen 6 or so months from now.

User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 3 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6353 times:

I'm one of the ones who think they may not make it until summer...but I hope this article is a harbinger of things.

User currently offlineLadevale From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 3 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6356 times:

Read between the lines will you.

Here is a quote from the article: "To date, United has tapped only $400 million of the $500 million offered by the four banks. It has, however, drawn on a separate $300 million loan from Bank One."

Most of you are presuming that this sentence means that UA has been paying all its bills since the filing of its bankruptcy petition and that after paying all those bills (including airport leases and plane leases) it has only spent $400 million of its DIP financing.

This is not an accurate reading of the sentence because the sentence really suggests that United may have already spent $700 million dollars of its DIP financing - $400 million from the four banks and $300 million from Bank One.

Moreover, for the first 60 days of its bankruptcy, none of that money has gone to paying plane leases since United had 60 days in which to affirm or cancel those debt obligations. United has also not been making payments on some gate leases. Despite all that, it might still have spent $700 million. That would be $700 million for how many months in bankruptcy?

Believe it or not, I keep thinking that eventually someone over at United is going to get it and that they are going to figure out a way out of their own mess. I want to believe this because honestly I can't accept the fact that anyone can be this misguided or stupid. But, after reading the transformation plan and wondering how it is that anyone with any strategic reasoning skills could put their faith behind it, I now think that Tilton is as stupid as Goodwin. Meanwhile, the product is getting worse, the employees are getting even more unhappy, and Wall Street is beginning to lose what little faith it had in United. Nothing postive in that, is there?

User currently offlineUal777contrail From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 3 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6263 times:

Nice ladevale,

This is in fact a positive article, and you don't, and couldn't run the company. Why don't you sit back and watch it all happen. The only pissed off people it seems are the pilots. They don't have control of the company and it pisses them off, the mechanics will be a memory soon. Things are getting better, and when the next positive article surface please be the first to spill your crap.
I would say in a month the only thing making news is AA's bankruptcy.

ual 777 contrail

User currently offlineSpeedport From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (13 years 3 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6265 times:

Just remember, there were occasional "good" news stories before bankruptcy. United filed anyway.

From the Deal.com:

"It's hard to reorganize when management is so disorganized," said one attorney following the case. "So far, there has been little out of United that would give reason to believe they know what they are doing."


"Darryl Jenkins, head of the Aviation Institute at George Washington University, called Starfish "a disaster of such proportions that it could bring down United Airlines." He voiced concern that UAL management's insistence on creating a new unit could drive unions from the bargaining table."

Indeed it has.

User currently offlineJ32driver From United States of America, joined May 2000, 399 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (13 years 3 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6146 times:

The key idea that I took away from reading the article was UAL has spent less money then they planned. That has to be good.

As for Starfish, I have a little more faith the more I hear about it. The pilot's I talk to say the company has backed down from the threat of hiring a different work force and will bring on the furloughed UAL guys instead. Thats good. That is what will allow Starfish to work. I've also heard that UAL's passengers won't see much of a difference between domestic Mainline and domestic Starfish service.

I still think that UAL could make a killing if they just transitioned to a realistic fare system. Flat fees on a flight with no penalties for when a ticket is bought. Lower the costs to Business flyers, raise the costs to everyone else, and no penalties for standby flights. Then, find a way to make your Check in, Gate ops, and inflght ops stand above everyone else.

User currently offlineTranStar From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (13 years 3 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6119 times:

I agree about South America. American and Continental have that region pretty well covered.

User currently offlineUALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (13 years 3 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6084 times:

Any positive news should just be dismissed Speedport? Any negative about UA should be taken as fact? Thats what you constantly bring to any UAL discussion.

I read the negative and the positive. Right now there is more positive about UA than negative coming out through the media.

"Starfish" sounds like a good plan. It is not unique. Tango is a model, it has been operating very successfully for AC, a UA partner. UA and AC talked extensively about the Merger w/ US so that they could use what AC learned when they merged w/ CP. There is every reason to belive that UA is learning what AC learned from Tango. We know they have learned from the failures of the past.

I think there are pundits in the media that are paid for there opinion, Some negative, some positive. I don't trust pundits they have their own agenda as well. (Read Michael Critons Airframe). The DEAL.com has been negative on UA from day 1. FYI when should any of us belive what some unnamed attorney FOLLOWING the case (HE ISN'T EVEN INVOLVED) has to say. Hmmm these are open hearings I imagine. Someone with sometime on their hands could follow the case in court and have an opinion. What makes this guy so credible? Learn to question sources. If they stand up to it then they might be credible.

UA is still in trouble, I'm not deluding myself. I just haven't deluded myself into thinking the sky is falling either.

There are many positives to Starfish that "Experts" overlook:

More efficent workrules due to bankruptcy
More efficent use of fleet
Better pricing structure
Managements admittion that UAL can not be all thins to all passengers
Focus on leisure markets (shuttle did not do that)

AS the new name (what ever it will be) suggests this new LCC will NOT be United Shuttle mark II. It will be well thought out and learn from the mistakes of the past.

AFA is negotiating, seriosly negotiating, thats good news. No matter what spin you try to place on it.

User currently offlineUnited777ORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 265 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (13 years 3 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6031 times:

THIS IS GOOD NEWS........Now all we need is for management to agree to making more concessions first before they make the concession plea to the pilots, mechanics, flight attendants, ramp workers, and customer service agents. Management needs to set the standard of sacrifice for the rest of the airline. United is Chicago's hometown airline and will continue to be.


User currently offlineSpeedport From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (13 years 3 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5940 times:

UALPHLCS - All I have to say is this, fool me once...shame on you. Fool me twice...shame on me.

I, too, ignored the flood of negative stories prior to the bankruptcy filing. I only focused on the handful of good stories. As a result I made a lot of bad decisions which I still regret today and will regret for many days to come.

I vividly recall the TV images of UAL employees crying on the day we filed. On that day I asked myself, why are these people crying? If they didn't believe UAL was going to file before the ATSB's decision, they certainly should have known after their decision. Like deer caught in the headlights of an oncoming car, they stood frozen to what was about to hit them. That day I vowed never to allow myself to be a deer.

Now I scrutinize every piece of news under the cold, hard light of reality. I now force myself to face those things I used to avoid. In short, and to steal a line from a popular song by the WHO, I won't be fooled again.

I no longer accept the future of UAL on face value. I now require proof. Why do I seem so pessimistic? Well, it is because the scales are tipping heavily in that direction is why. Anyone can see it coming, except, that is, deer.

User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4813 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (13 years 3 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5899 times:

This is in fact a positive article, and you don't, and couldn't run the company.

But Ladevale can read financial press releases...............

However Ladevale, I think it's unlikely they've drawn anywhere near USD 700mio as the DIP provides expect UAL not to draw on the other USD 100mio. anytime soon.

In short, the article is neither positive not negative as you can read the article anyway you like

User currently offlineTsully From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 651 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (13 years 3 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5887 times:

Certainly nice to see some more positive press coverage for UA. As we saw just recently, the media cannot, and should not be trusted at face value. I'm referring to Newsweek's report about the Greenwald comeback. This was nothing more than utter rubbish...a whimsical story made up to get attention. Both Greenwald and UA refuted this story on the strongest of terms. I don't care if it's the Los Angeles Times, London Daily Telegraph or the National Enquirer... believe me, they've all got agendas, and their bottom line is paper sales. And sales come from creating interesting articles, many times at the expense of accuracy and truthfulness.

UA is the press' favorite victim at the moment, but when AA enters ch. 11 down the road, that will all change.

My instinct is that United will survive, even if much smaller than it was 5 years ago. I think a management wide reduction-in-pay of say 33% would send a positive message to employees. Right now, you have flight attendants, mechanics, pilots and other employee groups who already earn much less than MGMT, but are shouldering all of the labor reductions.
If pilots (who are taking the largest pay cut) should be expected to embrace their 30% pay cut, let management (who is at the top of the pay scale) take an even larger cut. The flight attendants recently came up with a plan to give back even more. How management can sleep at night knowing they're making $800,000/ year and giving back nothing is beyond me. Granted, most of MGMT works EXTREMELY hard for UA, but don't tell me an f/a doesn't work hard for the mighty $35,000 she brings home. It's MGMT, not the f/a's, pilots or mechanics who should be taking more pay cuts. After MGMT gives something back, let's reevaluate the labor issue. If there's still a need for concessions, we'll talk about more give backs from the unions. Everyone at United looks to Management for leadership through this process, so it sure would be nice to see some real leadership in the form of MGMT concessions.

In the interest of ending on a pleasant note, I'll just say again that I have much faith in United to pull out of ch. 11 in the form of a lean, highly competitive airline. Given the state of the airline industry, it won't be hard for United to regain her stature as the premier U.S. flag carrier. In many ways, United has an edge on the other majors...being months ahead in the reorganization process.

And for the chicken littles out there, don't delude yourselves into thinking the sky is falling only for United. In fact, the sky is not falling, and every other full-service U.S. carrier is in the same boat as United... some (such as Delta, NWA, CO) may simply be farther upstream. They too, will likely hit the waterfall at some point.
Just remember, this is an industry crisis, not merely a UAL crisis.

"Thanks for Flying United. We'll Treat You Like Our Future Depends on It...It Does".

I love America. I guess that makes me Bush's poodle, but I'd rather be a dog in New York City than a prince in Riyadh.
User currently offlineHeavymetal From Ireland, joined May 2015, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (13 years 3 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5845 times:

Great news.

Now the bad news. A war lasting any longer than a month in Iraq will kill United. Dead.

User currently offlineSpeedport From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (13 years 3 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5808 times:

What are these other ‘good’ news stories I keep hearing about?

Is one the AFA proposing 1 billion in cuts over 6 years? What about the fact this proposal is half of what the company needs? What about the fact it doesn’t address the LCC in any way? This is merely a CYA move in anticipation of no agreement prior to the deadline so they have a document to walk into the courtroom with.

Is another one the sale of 747s to Thai for 330 million? Reports are these 747s would go for 1.4 billion new. We are selling them for ¼ that price. If I were selling a perfectly good car, would I sell it for a quarter the price I paid for it? I would if I were desperate enough for money. If I weren’t desperate, I would wait for the market to improve and sell them for a better price.

Is another the approval of Tilton’s compensation package? Let’s see what the judge had to say about that: “Judge Wedoff said rejecting the company's request…would have raised questions about the court's confidence in United’s restructuring.” In other words, this issue isn’t worth casting a cloud over United. However, a flawed business plan is and the judge has chastised United more than once for not presenting more detail on one.

One last thing, UALPHLCS you ridiculed me for quoting an unnamed attorney on Starfish. Well, let me quote attorneys from State Street Bank, you know, the guys United hand picked to manage the ESOP. Its attorneys called United's plan for a LCC "more an exercise in hope than in reality." But hey, what do financial institutions know about business anyway. Too bad we have to go to financial institutions for operational money, isn’t it? I mean, what do they know about risk?

Doth my cup runnith half empty? Or am I making astute observations? BTW, what is that light I see? It keeps getting brighter.

User currently offlineUALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (13 years 3 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5735 times:

Speedport, some of your comments lead me to believe that you are a fellow employee. Is that correct? If it is then the following is what I have to say.

If your an employee of UAL and "you won't be fooled again" are you currently looking for another job?

Let's not be hypocritical. If you believe that UA is going bust then you should be looking for another job. Why stick w/ a sinking ship.

There have been a handful of people here in PHL who have left. Left because they see no future at UA. Fine, actually I applaud them. They have the integrity to say I don't like the direction this company is going and I am leaving. I do not respect those who hand on saying: "this company sucks, they treat me bad they are taking everything from me" and insist they will not go to find something better.

I am staying because I've looked at the same articles. I an very nervous about UA's future. But I believe that they are heading in the right direction.

IF your an employee and you don't like the direction UA is going, LEAVE. Your not an indentured servant. UA has no exclusive contract on your labor. Get out while the getting is good.

Speedport if you are not a UAL employee than don't answer the question of why you stay. If you are, I'd like to know why you stick around if your just being fooled.

User currently offlineSpeedport From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (13 years 3 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5706 times:

"Get out while the getting is good."

That's classic. Anyone who doesn't adhere to your rose colored view of things has to quit. Or better yet, let’s fire them. How about this for the new United corporate culture, thought police. Anyone expressing negativity will be eliminated, says so on page 212.

What does it mean to say I won't be fooled again? It means I refuse to accept the sugar coating being applied to current events. This is in contrast to all the sugar coating I swallowed prior to United filing bankruptcy. When airline analysts predicted an 80% chance of UAL filing, I fell in line with the 20%. When they predicted a 90% chance, I fell in line with the 10%. When they predicted a 95% chance, I fell in line with the 5%. Had they predicted a 99.9% chance, I would have fallen in line with the .01%. And do I ever feel stupid for doing so.

I am not going to answer your question because I don't think your tunnel vision would lend itself to any conclusion other than the one you have already made about me or anyone else who chooses to look at both sides of an issue.

Wrong thinking will be punished; right thinking will be quickly rewarded. - A line from an episode of Star Trek entitled "The Menagerie."

User currently offlineUALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (13 years 3 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5640 times:

AS I said in other posts I am not deluding myself into thinking that UA is not in trouble, far from it. I however have made a decision that for now, UA looks as if it will survive. So I'm going to stay. I also said that I respect those who's opinion was that UA was sinking so they left. They at least have the courage of thier convictions to ACT on thier negative assesment of the situation. You apparently do not. You would rather blame the "corporate culture," UA's management, UA's unions, me, rather than face up to the fact that you are afraid to leave UA. Am I seeing the world through rose colored glasses or are you seeing it in sh!t tinted ones?

I never said that if you think UA is BSing you, you should leave. I never said that you should swallow anything, or toe the company line. I said if you believe that the situation is so dire, why don't you start looking for a new job? I'm asking if you are intellectually honest enough to ACT on your belief that your negative view is the correct one. IF you are not acting on it, why not? Why be miserable when you could leave and find a nice stable job at a nice stable comapny that tells you the truth? That is my question to you, if you have the honesty to answer it. Instead of getting selfrighteous and accusing me of delusions.

User currently offlineUALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (13 years 3 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5542 times:

WELL Its been 24 hours so much for intellectual honesty.

Your silence speaks volumes.

25 Speedport : Why are you so determined to get rid of people who disagree with you? Could you be trying to avoid your own fears by eliminating those who articulate
26 UALPHLCS : I'm not trying to get rid of anyone. I'm asking a question. If you where on a sinking ship would you attempt to get off? Your seem to feel that UA is
27 UA744Flagship : Speedport, PHLCS is being perfectly logical. Why are you bitching and moaning, and yet still at the company? Why the hypocrisy? If you feel this stron
28 Speedport : UALPHLCS - Who are you to say your contribution to UAL is more valid than anyone else's? How much time have you put in? How many different departments
29 UALPHLCS : Speedport, Why continue to evade the question. It doesn't matter whether I have 3 years or 30. What matters is if YOU see a future for UAL. I see one.
30 Speedport : I seem to have become some project of yours. And just what is my crime? I am on your case only becasue you seem so down on the future of UA Yeah, righ
31 Airzim : Speedport, Although I don't work for UA, I have been through other bankruptcies and your attitude is something to be applauded not condemned. Although
32 Speedport : Airzim, thank you for understanding how I feel. I don't want UAL to go under, but if it does I don't want it to come as a complete shock to me. Now th
33 UALPHLCS : Speedport, where do you get the impression that I am "wrapped up tight" If anyone is wrapped up tight its you. You get defensive and evasive when ever
34 LPL : I think LAX-HNL and SFO-HNL
35 Gigneil : Heh the "current management" is brand new. Funny its always managements fault, but this management hasn't even had time to fuck up yet really. And to
36 Speedport : Just how, exactly, do I "get in your way?" I don't work in PHL. I've never even flown to PHL. This thread has really put the zap on your brain. Seems
37 UALPHLCS : Thats a shame. To all those who can objectively read this thread: have I been spiteful or vindictive? My comments have been rational and reasonable. I
38 Jetfixer : I will keep this short and brief. My opinion, United's chance of liquidation is high. We are still poorly managed and will continue to be under Tilton
39 Speedport : Jetfixer – I hear you. I used to be highly critical of the pilots, and then I became highly critical of the mechanics, no longer. United as a family
40 Post contains images UA744Flagship : Speedport said (Reply 36): That’s it. I’m done with this thread. Why don't you put your money where your mouth is?
41 UALPHLCS : Jetfixer, I can cetainly understand your sentiments. You explained them clearly. While I disagree with your outlook of United and I would definatly co
42 Jetfixer : UALPHLCS Short on time again, I'll try and respond real quick. 1. I stated my opinion of liquidation is high, not inevitable. It was an opinion, take
43 Kevi747 : ual 777 contrail, I can't say that I appreciate your comment about the only thing that will be newsworthy shortly will be AA's bankruptcy. Everyone he
44 Ual777contrail : kevi, you are so full of crap, people at AA are sending warm wishes of a speedy recovery? You are full of shit. Out of the 90,000 or whatever are empl
45 Kevi747 : Goodness! Yes, its true!!! Ha ha!! We're all over here wringing our hands and tugging at the ends of our handlebar moustaches just waiting...WAITING!
46 J32driver : Kevi747... VERY WELL PLAYED!!! Ual777contrail... regardless of your perceptions, your comments are uncalled for. Posts like your last are what give th
47 Ual777contrail : kevi, I personally don't care if you like my comments or thoughts on this topic. I participate in this forum for a laugh, don't take it all to heart.
48 Speedport : I now consider it was the company who lobbied against UA for the loan guarantee, not the employees. However, 777contrail has a point. Let’s be real.
49 Airzim : UALPHLCS, Sorry I actually just flew back from a UA flight from FRA hence the delay. To answer your question which you asked why is Speedport staying
50 UALPHLCS : Jetfixer, you have some excellant points. The trouble I see is that we are in this mess currently because we ignored the liesure travelers' needs, foc
51 UALPHLCS : We must have been writing at the same time Airzim. I agree with some of what you say. AS a rank and file employee it was our repsoncibility to have le
52 Post contains images AA717driver : UALPHLCS--I don't think there's a link between CAL being one of the best companies to work for and having the best contract. CAL knows it has been suc
53 Ual777contrail : I think a good airline to look at when talking about padding block times would be southwest. How do you think they stayed number 1 for SO many years.
54 UA744Flagship : One thing I will say is that the LCC could work. This is one difference between United and other defunct carriers. United is trying to adapt, while ot
55 Airzim : I don't mean to be negative on UA, just putting things into perspective. While being on-time is a reason to celebrate it is more geared to the UA staf
56 Ual777contrail : airzim, your whole post was geared towards customer service? Right. Well now that UNITED has it, people are so quick to dismiss it. AA Cant hold a can
57 UALPHLCS : Flight times are REALLY suseptable to wild changes in depature and arrival times. Have you ever taken off ONTIME only to arrive late? How about depart
58 Airzim : Contrail, Sorry maybe you misunderstood what I am trying to say, I thought directly the opposite of what you said; service is not the problem it is co
59 Airzim : Sorry that was meant to read, CO piolts aren't stupid.
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