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Mesa Now United Express - Conflict Of Interest?  
User currently offlineUA744Flagship From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3198 times:

Mesa will now be operating as UAX out of DEN with 10 Bombardier Q200s... these will replace the AirWis DoDo birds that are being retired (AirWis will be 100% CRJ).

The strange things is, Mesa is currently operating as Frontier JetExpress out of DEN. Is this the first case of one regional airline serving two competing hub carriers?

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User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 28
Reply 1, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3189 times:

I may be wrong, but doesn't ASA serve Delta and Airtran out of ATL. If not, who is serving Airtran with those CRJs?


Ding! You are now free to keep supporting Frontier.
User currently offlineUA744Flagship From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3183 times:

I may be wrong, but doesn't ASA serve Delta and Airtran out of ATL. If not, who is serving Airtran with those CRJs?

Coincidentally enough, Air Wisconsin... the same airline whose retirement of props are necessitating the contract with Mesa to "continue to serve mountain communities".


User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 28
Reply 3, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3178 times:

That is wierd to say the least.


Ding! You are now free to keep supporting Frontier.
User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3144 times:

this isn't a conflict of interest at all. JetExpress was moved to a complete control by frontier and not Mesa, so Mesa really doesn't have much of a say in where their planes go, just as long as they get paid.

Mesa is also adding 6 CRJs to the JetExpress fleet..... expect more Frontier cities soon!

-n


User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3401 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3142 times:

1.)Chautauqua Airlines at STL, operates a hub for American Connection and operates US Airways Express to Philly.
2.)ACA operates FRJ's from BOS-PHL for Delta Connection as well as J41's from IAD-PHL for United Express.

Anyone have a picture of the new planes?


User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3140 times:

American Eagle serves AA and AS out of LAX. QX serves AS and NW out of SEA, all on the same flights. While its not overly common, its not unheard of. In the Mesa case, they will dedicated ops for each carrier. Basically Mesa is just a subcontractor, working for whomever hires 'em.

Duane



"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
User currently offlineJ32driver From United States of America, joined May 2000, 399 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3138 times:

It was my understanding that UAL wanted Air Wisconsin to get rid of the props in favor of an all jet fleet. We wondered who was going to serve the markets you can't get an RJ into.

As far as Frontier Vs. United Service. There will probably be a no compete clause in the contract. If Frontier already serves a destination, then Mesa can't serve it flying in United colors, only frontier colors.

So UAL hired the company that it fired twice and sued once? Yep... that makes alot of sense. Morons.


User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3267 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3134 times:

Are they just going to pull these Dash8s out of thin air to operate these flights? Or are they going to rob them from the America West Express operation in Phoenix?



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3127 times:

Mesa for a time were doing flights for USAX and AWAX out of Atlanta. Air Wisconsin doe UAX and AirTran JetConnect flights out of ATL as well.

User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3267 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3114 times:

Srbmod-
Mesa never based flights out of Atlanta.



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User currently offlineBa319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8527 posts, RR: 54
Reply 11, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3108 times:
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Dont Skywest fly Brazilias and CRJ's for UA and DL in and around CA?

When I when spotting to LAX in jan,numerous CRJ's and BRZ's were flying in UA's c/s.




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User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3074 times:

just not in the *same* market...

User currently offlineTu154m From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 682 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3054 times:

1)Air Wisc-UA and AirTran in ATL
2)AA Eage-AA and DL in LAX
3)SkyWest-DL and UA in LAX
I'm sure there are more examples!
S



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User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4581 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3026 times:

How about...Chautauqua:

Colubmus - HP Express, Delta Connection & US Airways Express.
Louisville - American Connection, Delta Connction & US Airways Express.


User currently offlineUA744Flagship From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2994 times:

My question was a little more specific....

-- HUB carriers. I believe this is the first time fierce competitors at an airport have a regional partner in common.


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2970 times:

Jmc1975,
I hate to break it to you:

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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5801 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2942 times:

The original JetExpress agreement as filed with the SEC forbid Mesa operating for UA in Frontier's markets. Did Frontier change their mind and give away something by agreeing to allow Mesa to operate for another airline out of DEN? Or is this still in effect? We'll have to see what routes they end up with.

The old Agreement's relevant paragraph:
25.5 Except for codeshare agreements with America West Airlines, Inc., USAirways, Inc. and Midwest Express Airlines, Inc., Mesa agrees not to enter into another codeshare agreement with a carrier hubbed in Denver for markets served by Frontier that originate or end in Denver, Colorado.



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5801 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2930 times:

Skywest used to operate both DLConnection and UAX at LAX. Once DL pulled back in LA Skywest dropped all the DL flights.


"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
User currently offlineUal777contrail From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2925 times:

ualflag,
don't forget the BAE-146'S, so not an RJ fleet entirely.
do they plan to get rid of those?
ual 777 contrail


User currently offlineAerMickey From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2901 times:

It will be a long time before Air Wisconsin will ever get rid of the BAE-146. They just added SFO-ASE this year due to the service that they can gain from the 146. It is a great airplane to use in a mountain region. As well, AWAC worked out an excellent deal with the company of whom they lease these planes from.

Mickey


User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2598 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2887 times:
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UA777contrail
The BAE146 is an RJ!!!  Smile


User currently offlineTwa902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3125 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2868 times:

The funny one:


St. George, Utah: served by two airlines
SGU is also the company headquarters for Skywest.

Skywest and Skywest
dba United Express to LAX
dba Delta Connection to SLC, CDC

TWA902



life wasn't worth the balance, or the crumpled paper it was written on
User currently offlineTi717 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2695 times:

Mesa has flown for UAL in the past out of Denver and ended service in the late 90's over what was called contract problems. I think this is a good Plus for UAL they needed to get the regional house in order and catch up with DAL and CO.

TI 717
Fly Texas International



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User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2668 times:

Plus the 146 airframe is the only commuter jet that can fly into ASE...

25 Azjubilee : Mesa is unhappy with the agreement with Frontier in DEN Look for that service to end soon... the FAA inspector for Big Sky - now a Mesaba HOldings com
26 PSU.DTW.SCE : Long time, no see AZJ... If BigSky was to take over the F9 contract, wouldn't they have to get something other than the Metro's, likely need some RJ's
27 Ual777contrail : Thanks crosswind, I was totally thinking of the CRJ'S(50 seaters) my fault. ual 777 contrail
28 Ti717 : Yes, MESA does do EAS out of ABQ under the Mesa name. From Mesa web site. "Mesa Airlines operates as an independent division flying the Beechcraft 190
29 JC5280 : This is simply a way for UA to renogotiate the contracts with DH, OO, and ZW. The two latter ones are the most expensive and there needs to be leverag
30 Azjubilee : PSU - According to Big Sky's POI - there won't be an RJ on that property for at LEAST 2 years. Snapping up saabs or dashes or even 328 turboprops woul
31 UA744Flagship : JC5280-- The LCC will negate the need for Express on many current markets, which is simply because many Express RJs have been used to replace mainline
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