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Aer Lingus Order For NG 737's?  
User currently offlineLeoDF From Mexico, joined Aug 1999, 359 posts, RR: 5
Posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3985 times:

According to Justplanes.com, Aer Lingus could order up to 25 737NG's, to replace their A320's, 321's, and older 737's. The question is why are they considering this order, if their A320's and 321's are as good as new and they were almost an all Airbus fleet???

I think it's great that we could see new generation 737's on Aer Lingus colours. But as far as I know, finances are not good at this airline...

So, any thoughts on why might they be ordering the planes???

The only thing I could think of, was the possibility to start a low cost airline to compete with Ryanair and Easyjet... Or itself become a low fare airline???

A. De Leo W.


Lloyd Aereo Boliviano
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User currently offlineBoeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3934 times:

Hmmm, launch customer for the 737-900X maybe?

User currently offlineGodbless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2752 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3844 times:

Would be great to see another european scheduled airline go for the 737NG. It does get a little boring here with all those A320 fleets... Well both are great aircraft after all.

Max


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3803 times:

The question is why are they considering this order, if their A320's and 321's are as good as new and they were almost an all Airbus fleet???

Why is it that when Boeing [potentially] overthrows a relatively new order, based solely on techincal merit and price (which is usually the case), it's view with scrutiny and scorn; yet when Airbus does the exact same thing, it's lauded as some sort of breakthrough?

Can one of you Airbusphiles explain this to me please?


User currently offlineAFa340-300E From France, joined May 1999, 2084 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3774 times:

Hello,


Can one of you Airbusphiles explain this to me please?

That's not the case ConcordeBoy. It would be surprising to see an airline switch from A32X to 737NG, as would be for an airline switching from 737NG to A32X -- at standard price conditions. That's it.



Best regards,
Alain Mengus
Air Transport Business [ATB]


User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4453 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3760 times:

There has already been a long post having this same discussion. With this now being reported, there is even more smoke coming from a fire at Aer Lingus! There are several factors that could or are playing a role in this decision.

1. Aer Lingus is partners with American Airlines. Currently AA has 737-800s on order that it really doesn't want to take on. So, we have a Qantas deal all over again. Aer Lingus will take the 737-800s that AA can't take on right now. Overall its a bargain for everyone involved. Boeing sells 737-800s to a new customer and therefore becomes it's supplier, American gets rid of contract obligations for aircraft it can't accept, and Aer Lingus gets brand new aircraft.

2. Aer Lingus wants a homogenious fleet. While they are/were working towards that with the A32X, they never completed the movement. Boeing's used aircraft division is able to take in the hoge poge fleet easier than Airbus's. Therefore, EI gets rid of its current mess and in its place gets shiny new 738s!

This order is supposedly going to be announced this week.



"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3734 times:

Aren't most or all of the Aer Lingus A32X aircraft leased, likely at expensive pre-9/11 rates, and maybe this proposed deal is a way to save some money at a difficult time in the airlines finanical history. As pointed out above, this may be a way for Boeing to place 737NGs that AA is not in a position to take, and create a good deal not only for Aer Lingus, but for American and Boeing as well. Also, as stated, Aer Lingus still flies a good number of 735s, which are important for its thinner European routes, and cannot support A320 service, this way Aer Lingus, can again go with one short/medium haul type, being the B737 family.

Even in these challenging times, Aer Lingus' A32X fleet should have no problem finding a new home with other carriers.

It will be interesting to see what happens.


User currently offlineKellmark From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 691 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3711 times:

Lets not forget the value of the dollar has dropped significantly, along with the value of aircraft. Boeing could well now have a significant price advantage over Airbus compared to last year.

User currently offlineLeoDF From Mexico, joined Aug 1999, 359 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3705 times:

CX747:

I like and understand your point of view. It's very logic, though I still can't understand if they have few 737's on their fleet, getting rid of the A32X family would surely cost a lot.

I understand the move from American and all, but I still think that the overall price would be higher if they get new 737's instead of keeping the A32X family.

But, I still like the idea!

A. De Leo W.



Lloyd Aereo Boliviano
User currently offline9V-SVC From Singapore, joined Oct 2001, 1797 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3664 times:

I gonna missed Aer lingus's A320/A321 . They are excellent aircraft and its a pity they are going . I hope they buy more A330s for their long haul flights .


Charles



Airliners is the wings of my life.
User currently onlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2735 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3646 times:

If this becomes reality, it will be interesting to see the next step. One point that was never raised in the discussions CX747 mentioned (I was patiently waiting for someone to bring it up, but it never was) is the fact that when Aer Lingus first disclosed that they were looking to standardize on either an all-A32X or all-737NG fleet, they also mentioned that the winner would become their 'preferred supplier' and eventually supply their long-haul fleet as well. At the time, I assumed this meant that Airbus had the order in the bag, as Aer Lingus is a A330 (both -200 & -300) operator, and apparently very happy with them. However, if they do indeed order 737NGs (which at this point I still consider just a rumor), it quite possibly could mean a 777/7E7 order in the next year or two.

As always, only time will tell.

Hamlet69



Honor the warriors, not the war.
User currently offlineShamrock1Heavy From Ireland, joined Nov 2002, 250 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3633 times:

A 777 in EI colors!!! My oh my that would look awesome!!!!
The 737NG would be great for EI!


-D



when in hell, we'll do shots at the bar
User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4453 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3626 times:

Yes, unfortunately as always time will tell! To have the power to be a fly on the wall in these meetings! Just a few thoughts

EI only has 4 A320s and 6 A321s. That is not a large fleet and if you can replace all of your current misfits with one standard aircraft for a decent price then you go for it. In fact, EI has more 737s on the books than Airbus.

I too wonder what is going to happen to the A330s in the fleet. With Boeing potentially flexing it's muscle in the fleet, one has to guess that they will want the whole kitten caboodle. From what I have heard, the 7E7 is going to put the A330 to shame and is all around a fantastic design so far. Yes, it is only a paper airplane, but if EI sees the same thing......




"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3594 times:

This is interesting. It would be great to see some 73NGs in Aer Lingus colors. However, what about the A330s? If all those A32Xs go, being replaced by Boeings, then the A330s will be the only Airbuses in the fleet. Sort of an "ugly duckling" if you will. But 7E7 is still years away. So I assume the 330s will stay for a while. Kinda like AA's A300s perhaps.

What can I say, I'm surprised. I though Aer Lingus had settled on Airbus. Does Ryanair's order for 738s have anything to do with this?

B4e-Forever New Frontiers


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3553 times:

despite all the often-overblown emphasis on cockpit/parts commonality... many of you are forgetting that the A330 and 777 have proven very compatible with each other from an operational standpoint; and as such, many airlines have chosen to operate them side-by-side, some even instead of A330 & A340 side-by-side.

BR, KE, KL, AF, and CX just to name a few...


User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4453 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3548 times:

Looking at the A330 fleet, there are only 7 birds. 3 of them are leased from ILFC. This is extreme speculation, but EI could always drop those leases for 777-200ERs and sell the remaining birds to a carrier like MAS.


"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24912 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3481 times:

I think the 777 would be waaaayyy to big for Aer Lingus needs.


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User currently offlineMarara From Australia, joined Oct 2001, 678 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3465 times:

yeah i agree i think a 777 might be a bit big for their needs, maybe a few 764s if anything. But then again they did have 747s a while ago Big grin. I actually think that the 330s are great for EI, but then again what do i know :P


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User currently offline9V-SVA From Singapore, joined Aug 2001, 1860 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3443 times:

Remember, the A330-300s EI has are the low-MTOW versions. The Boeing 777 might be big from a weight standpoint, but passenger capacity are almost the same. Would love to see a Boeing 777 or 737-800 in EI colours.

9V-SVA



9V-SVA | B772ER
User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3359 times:

It's amazing how well the different product lines can actually compete.
This was never the case with Boeing/MacDac twenty years ago.


User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5083 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3345 times:

I must say that I was pleasantly surprise the first time I heard this news!! Way to go Boeing!!!!


Work Hard But Play Harder
User currently offlineTailfin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days ago) and read 3308 times:

Please note that this is not news, merely speculation to try and up the fight and the interest.

User currently offlineAAMD11 From UK - Wales, joined Nov 2001, 1059 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (11 years 5 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3170 times:

Please note that this is not news, merely speculation to try and up the fight and the interest.

Exactly...
Lets just wait and see.

A^A MD-11


User currently offlineWunalaDreaming From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 196 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (11 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3037 times:

IF this is true, it must mean that Aer Lingus are intending to drop LCY from their network.

This would be because you can't get a A32X or 737 in there.

Are they planning a replacement in order to keep LCY? An Embraer in EI colours.... now that I would love to see. Beautiful.


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