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Ever Thought Your Flight Was In Trouble Or Doomed?  
User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 24
Posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4641 times:

This thought only crossed my mind once as I was traveling through storm clouds on an ASA Jetstream32 from IAD to PIT just about one year ago today. The turbulence was so severe, I didn't think our little plane could hold together much longer. It was pretty frightening.

How about you?

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User currently offlineGoingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4612 times:

Only once - it was a Piedmont 727 out of CLT and our takeoff roll seemed exceptionally long. The gal sitting next to me (who wasn't even an aviation nut - just a frequent flyer) looked at me and said "shouldn't we be airborne by now?". All I could say was "yes". We finally did get airborne and the flight was uneventful, but the takeoff did put a bit of a scare in us.

User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4603 times:

Been there GoingBoeing. Those long T/O rolls are instant adrenaline producers. Especially when the A/C is not known for long T/O rolls. Just last year this happened to me as we left Denver on a Continental 733; one of the longest T/O rolls I ever had.

Cheers, DIA

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User currently offlineFritzi From United Arab Emirates, joined Jun 2001, 2763 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4593 times:

Talking about the distances of T/O rolls, something that would be even scarier would be to see a A340-300 at MTOW lift off the rwy after only 5000 ft.  Big thumbs up

User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4587 times:

Wit low fuel, no pax or cargo. . .maybe. Big grin

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User currently offlineAirworthy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4555 times:

CVG-ATL in an early morning thunderstorm that was so bad you couldn't see the wing. It felt like we were descending for like an hour when ATL was closed and we were in a holding pattern.

I was thinking about that L-1011 in the everglades and hoping the pilots didn't mess up auto pilot!

User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4552 times:

I was in a Thai A300 about to land in Chiang Mai. I would say at about 800 AGL, the plane banked 10-15 degrees to the right. All I could see were treetops outside of right window and absolutely no horizon. I don't recall when the pilot corrected but we landed safely. I really thought we were going to start clipping trees.

User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4542 times:

That, and check to see if the nose gear is down and locked!

Any of you ever see that movie??? I can't remember the actors name, but he said, as he was a ghost in the downstairs galley, "There will never be another crash of an L-1011."

Well, as you know, Delta had their L-1011 accident thereafter. . .

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User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4538 times:

Little late I was. . .

My post above was in reference to Airworthy's remark "I was thinking about that L-1011 in the everglades and hoping the pilots didn't mess up auto pilot!"


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User currently offlineDC-10 Levo From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 3432 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4541 times:

Last year when I flew Airtours International (now MyTravel) we took off from MAN on our way to SFB. It was really cloudy and when I looked out of the window - the wing wasn't there! Big grin I was really scared and thought the wing had come off. Big grin Big grin. Fortunately when we were above the clouds, the wing came back into sight.


User currently offlineJtamu97 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 666 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4520 times:

I was on a CO 727 departing Cozumel years back. The departure in Cozumel was to have the brakes applied, increase the throttle and then pop the brakes off..Our plane did that, but we had a very long take off roll, and our plane was really struggling to get off the ground. Once off the ground, we struggled to gain altitude and began a turn back over the ocean, still not climbing much. Looking back it was fun, but not at that moment. Speaking of turbulence and stuff, I found the pilots on SAA were the best at keeping passengers informed. Anytime the seatbelt sign would come back on, the captian would tell us the reason followed by maybe some big bumps, but nothing to worry about. Wish more pilots would keep the passengers informed.

Propeller, we don't need no stinkin propeller
User currently offlineUAL-Fan From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4507 times:

Just recently landing in Anchorage on an Alaska MD80. All I could think of was the poor souls that plunged into the Pacific on that same type of A/C of the Los Angeles coast.

Dark Dark fog, missed the runway the first time in and terrible turbulence. I almost lost my cookies.

User currently offlineExpratt From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4473 times:

Just recently on a DL 757 flight coming into BWI, I got concerned about whether there might be a problem. We were on short final when the airplane pitched up, then down, then pitched up again. On the second pitch up, power was applied and a go around was initiated. The engine power was increasing, decreasing, then increasing again. Once we got back up into the clouds, the airplane made some maneuver that really loaded up the Gs as you could feel yourself being pressed down into the seat. Then a few moments later, the crew must have lowered the nose as the G loads became less than 1.0 prompting a number of pax to start to scream. The pilots finally got on the PA to announce that they had to do a go around because an airplane that was under tow crossed the runway when they should have stopped. That may have been the case, but the go around was the worst one I have ever experienced.

User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8653 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4471 times:

A flight from Fairoaks (near LHR) to Jersey and back to check out a pilot on the Aztec. I didn't see his log book but he claimed to have lots of time on type. Could have fooled me. We landed in the last quarter of the runway at Jersey, unfortunately the runway at Fairoaks isn't nearly as big or wide and the first approach was a disaster. The go around was flown so low and sloppy, I couldn't believe we didn't hit a tree or chimney pot. We got down on the second attempt but it was the only time I've ever been really scared in a plane.

Where, btw, do you get these ideas about commercial airliners "struggling" on hot days, short runways et al? It's all worked out in advance and while a takeoff may seem long, or a climbout may seem shallow, but none of it should come as a surprise to the chaps in the pointy bit. These are just different flight profiles depending on weight, temperature, a million other factors. Just cos it doesn't always feel like an empty 757 on a cold day doesn't mean anything is out of the ordinary. For example, I remember taking off in the middle of a boiling day from Dubai to LHR in a full PIA 747, and of course we rolled for 60 seconds or more, and then climbed very gradually (albeit with the nose very high) with the takeoff flaps set for about five minutes. Of course it felt sluggish but it was in practise exactly what was calculated beforehand in the ops room. Machines do what they are supposed to, and if they aren't up to it they usually give you loads of warning. It's people (see my Aztec story) that are usually the problem.

fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
User currently offlineFrequentFlyKid From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4423 times:

There was only once time in all my flight experience that I thought something might be going badly. It was on a TWA 717-200 IAH-STL in November 2000. It was an extremely windy day across the midwest, something like sustained winds at 30-35 and gusts to 60+. On short final the 717 rolled very, very far to the left. The most I have ever seen. I still don't know exactly what caused it, my guess was windshear, but I may be wrong.

As far a long takeoff rolls go, I have had the exact opposite. I have had a couple of short takeoff rolls in DL 757's. One that sticks out was ORF 5 departure. We had rotated way before the passenger concourse at ORF.

User currently offlineTravellin'man From United States of America, joined May 2001, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4392 times:


Most recently at Xmas on United NRT-LAX about an hour out of Tokyo we hit turbulence so hard and so quick that I thought a piece of the plane had broken off. The engines revved as we started to climb, but the change of pressure felt like it was pushing us down at the same time. Engine lights kept going on. this went on for maybe 45 seconds, and people were SCREAMING!

Then on a TWA prop JFK-BOS with 100 knot headwinds; I never thought we would make it.

Both times I thought, "This is it."

It is not enough to be rude; one must also be incorrect.
User currently offlineJFKTOWERFAN From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1100 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4391 times:

Mine was my first memory of flying. I was on an Eastern 752 from LGA-PBI(I think), I was maybe 10 years old, anyway when we landed I thought we were doomed b/c the half the engine had fallen off or something.....Turns out that didn't happen it was just a little thing called activation of the thrust reverser! C'mon I was young and didn't know any better.


C'mon Man
User currently offlineGoingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4348 times:

cedarjet - I'll agree about the "struggling" part of your post, however after travelling 80% of my life, a good part of it in 727's taking off from Dallas and Denver on hot days, the takeoff roll on an autumn day in CLT was a whole lot longer than any of the other 727's I've been on. The "planners" should have done a little better planning on that one as they scared the bejeezus out of several folks on that plane.

User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6210 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4307 times:

I was on a Delta MD-88 flying from SAT-DFW when I smelled something that smelled like smoke. Other passengers smelled it as well but didn't say anything about it at the time. This was shortly after the Valujet crash in the Florida everglades. We maintained what appeared to me to be an unusually low altitude and landed at DFW without incident. I asked the captain about the situation when we landed, and he said nothing had gone wrong.

Another time I was on approach to ATL in a Delta 737-800 from IAH. The airport had been closed for awhile for thunderstorms, and then we began to proceed in for landing. The wind gusts were so bad it was obvious that the pilots were struggling to maintain control of the aircraft. We touched down with somewhere in the range of 30 kts crosswind. I told the crew "good job; that couldn't have been easy"

There have been other cases which I can't recall. Like one time I was on a 757 from LAS-LAX and I could hear a flapping noise that I've never heard before from the center of the cabin that would appear intermittently throughout the flight.

Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
User currently offlineVermeer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 447 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4252 times:

this would be hilarious if it was not almost tragic...

CO from LGA to BOS. Morning flight on a MD80. I NEEDED to use the restroom but the plane was stuck on the runway and I was sitting for 45 minutes unable to move from my seat.

We gain altitude. As soon as the lights go off I jump in the back lavatory, close to the right engine.
JUSTwhen I start to relieve myself ( or in the words of Singapore_air " leaving only liquid residues") the engine SHUTS OFF.
The plane banks immediately. I struggle with my pants' fyer while I am NOT hearing the familiar engine sound and ( still a little wet) I grab a seat and strap myself in. Praying.
Right on my side the F/A is nervously talking with the captain via the intercom and I am a teensy bit FREAKED OUT.
You must know that my partner is completely afraid to fly ( once I made him cry telling him we were too low during take-off, but that's another story) and he was sitting alone way in the front. I was scared for me and for him being alone.
After the F/A hungs up the plane starts to level and the engine works again. She was pale, so was I. When asked "ok, HOW bad is it?" she was dismissing the thing but she told me that the "problem" was solved but it could have been not pleasant.

When finally I move back to my original seat my partner looked quiet. He did not speak, just stared at me, saw how pale I was and freaked out right on the spot.
When asked if he wasn't afraid before, he told me that beacuse I was not at his side he couldn't see how bad it was ( NOT EVEN IF it was) therefore he was unable to determine the gravity of the situation.
Basically I work as his fear thermometer. Go figure.
We landed safely and the flight back was cancelled.

User currently offlineCmk10 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 513 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4246 times:

JFK-ORY in 1995. Nice AA 762 but things didnt look good at JFK. We got delayed for 2 1/2 hours due to thunderstorms in the take off area. Finnaly we taxied out and on take off the plane just felt like it was coming apart and it was the only time I thought I was going to die on a plane, I felt like my body went but I left my stomuch at Gate 9.
DC-10's Forever

"Traveling light is the only way to fly" - Eric Clapton
User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 17
Reply 21, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4230 times:

1985, when the towline broke on a glider I was in. Ended in a crash with minor damage.
1989, fuel emergency (major leak) on an Aeroflot Tu-154. Made an emergency landing at Alma Ata, crashtenders lining the runway.
1989, malfunctioning pressure cabin on an Aeroflot An-26. Had to stay low (which has it's charms, you get to see the scenery better).
1989, very violent flying on an Aeroflot Tu-154 on approach to Moscow.

I wish I were flying
User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 7561 posts, RR: 76
Reply 22, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4221 times:

Here's mine...

05Jul01, QZ937, Surabaya (WRSJ/SUB) - Jakarta(WIII/CGK)
PK-AWA, A310-300, JT9Ds

I never knew I would had a trip from hell…. But here goes…

I turned up at Surabaya airport with no bookings and needed to get back to Jakarta quickly. Turning up at 3.30, Garuda’s 4 and 5pm flights were full, Mandala’s 4.30 was full, and the next available flights were 1800 on Garuda and 1830 on Mandala. An Awair “scalper” came up to me…

“Sir, try AWAir… cheap! (20USD cheaper) New airline, and you’ll fly on an Airbus! It’s New! 4pm departure” (yea right it’s new ! Baloney!)

So I tried anyway, gave him the money and he disappeared into the check in counter… 5 minutes later he emerged with a boarding pass and my name was misspelled! I don’t know what deal he had, but what the heck…

I went into the departure lounge, and it was full… soon, my flight was called up and we were bused to the A310… Climbed up the rear stairs…

“Yea, new plane my butt, it’s bigger and it’s a longer climb to the cabin!”

I entered the airplane, and had my seat… left window 2 rows ahead of the rear exit. I looked up and ooh… the aircon tube vents are of 2 different colours, and only on my row… someone looked it over in maintenance.

The moving map display still had “Swissair” logo displayed… Doors were closed, and the flight was full… the cabin crew went around offering sweets prior to the safety demo. The safety demo was then performed… “Property of Lufthansa” was on the demo flight jackets…

We entered runway 27 again, and took off after an SQ A310 landed. During the take off roll, I noticed something was wrong… I looked at the wing tip and fuel was pouring out… I thought it was just excess fuel… we rotated and the leak got worse… then we made a 160 degree left turn to follow the departures… and it got worse… I began sweating and trembling. A refinery is up ahead and with open flames. If I have a parachute, I’d jump out NOW !…

We straightened and climbed, but the fuel didn’t stop pouring out. I called the flight attendant…

“Excuse me miss, but why are we leaking fuel ?” I pointed at the wing tip…
“Oh, that’s not fuel sir, that’s engine contrails”
“But we’re only at 8,000 feet, we don’t have contrails at this altitude in the tropics, besides, the engines aren’t on the wingtips !!!!!”
“uuuhm, it’s wing tip turbulence sir!”
Yea right, I thought to myself…

“Miss, look carefully, It’s below the wing tip! Not on, not behind! It’s where the fuel gets dumped!”
“Oooh that sir,” she smiled, “That’s normal on this plane, it’ll get thicker as we go faster and higher…” she walked off…

I was shocked… Why am I on this plane? By then it was 15,000 feet and I took a photo of the trail… it didn’t stop until 28,000 feet…

I thought it was bad enough the stewardess told me whatever it was… then, the cabin supervisor patrolled the cabin and walked passed my row, and she saw the rear left door’s slide hasn’t been armed… I can’t help overhearing the arguments that ensued…

CS: “Who’s in charge of this door ?”
FA1: “Me ma’am, why ?”
CS: “Why isn’t the slide armed?”

Then another f/a joined in…
FA2: “Oh ma’am, I saw the slide arming lever not positioned properly, so I armed it for her…”
CS: “You idiot! You disarmed the slide! You two should have crosschecked it anyway!”

Again, WHY AM I ON THIS PLANE ! I saved $20 and 2hrs of wait, but was it worth the risk????

Cabin service was mediocre… the meal box was awful, at least a nice f/a (not the one that I asked about the fuel venting) asked me why I was so pale and nervous…

“Nevermind” I told her… “You wouldn’t believe it anyway”

I was looking forward for descent into Jakarta. We descended late from 35,000 feet. Engines went into idle and we made a dive… the nose down was more than 5 degrees…

Then, the left engine spooled down and vibrated. The plane yawed and banked a bit and then corrected itself. From the left side, no engine noise, I can hear the other engine… Oh great, now an engine failure! No announcement from the cockpit.

If that was a fuel leak, someone forgot to cross feed !

FL310, FL300, FL290, FL270…. Hmm, they’ll probably restart at 24,000…
FL260, FL250, FL240, FL230… Restart attempt #1 failed.
FL220… Someone’s cell phone went on… then other people made calls…!
FL210, FL200, FL190.. My cell phone rang… oops !
FL180… Restart #2 failed.
FL170, FL150, FL130… Restart #3 failed.

“Oh boy, I’m in trouble now”

FL120, FL110, FL100… Time to send a panic SMS…
FL090, FL080, FL070… Restart #4 successful… FINALLY…

We intercepted localizer 25R at 6,000… then descended to 2,000 for the final approach. Despite both engines now running, the pilot used a lot of rudder… something not very nice after all I’ve been through this flight and sitting at the back!

I was grateful that we landed safely at CGK. I rushed to get out and went into the toilet at the terminal… I then realized how pale I was and that my legs were shaking…

I had shaved 2 hrs of wait, 20USD of fares and 2 days from my life expectancy!

Curious, the next day, I "just happened" to go to lunch on a table next to a bunch of Airbus engineers from France who are training GA maintenance on the A330... I showed them the photo of the "vapour"...

One of them had been an A310 engineer and said:

It has to be something with the fuel overflow valve. However, it couldn't have been from an overflow because it went up to 28000 - 35000 feet... So their conclusion was that they had to drain some of the fuel from the outer tanks. Somehow, someone forgot to close the fuel vent box (switch).

They said the procedure would be to transfer as much fuel to the other wing as possible, but not when climbing. And at the same time, try and close the valve from the cockpit. Should that be successful or not, the aircraft should have returned to the airport immediately and evacuated. Only a manual inspection can determine the safety of the vent box.

He went on to say that the engine failure I suspected was indeed an engine failure, because of the vibrations. He said it would be a no-fuel engine failure that would match the description.

He said I was lucky to be alive ! *yikes* He also said, “Don’t fly this airline for another 6 months… by then, they’d had a crash, or the problem would have been fixed”

5 months later, the same plane landed in Balikpapan and had a tailpipe fire to the left engine while taxying… the emergency crew who just happened to be on exercise out next to the taxiway extinguished the fire. A lawsuit was launched by AWAir for 4million USD.

AWAir ceased operations in March 2002. I was happy to see them leave. They last operated a single A320. Now there’s a 6m lawsuit launched against the airline by travel agents for not refunding deposits for unsold tickets. Con Job!


When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
User currently offlineGoingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4197 times:

Hey, that sounds like a flight me and Bob my copilot made. Those of you who know me know what I mean.

User currently offlineMsh744 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 463 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4176 times:

Not as scary as many other stories, but after departure from CDG on a BA 757, we took off pretty steeply and I heard a loud scrape/bang coming from the tail area. It wasn't the gear because I was sitting on top of the gear. I thought we had had a tailstrike, but we made it to LHR in one piece. After the flight, there were no windows near our arrival gate, so I couldn't inspect the tail section. Not too exciting, but it had me worried for a few seconds. I never figured out what that sound was...


25 BR715-A1-30 : On January 26, 2002, I was on an AirTran 717-2BD, and we were on final approach. Suddenly The plane banked sharply to the left and the nose went down.
26 BDRules : Mine was BA flight from BCN - BHX on 732 in 2000. coming in to land we were going that slow and we were dropping that fast that i thought it was going
27 Clipper471 : Engine 3 compressor stall, Boeing 747-400, caused a LOUD bang as well as a bright flash. This happened just during climb-out at night, UAL863, SFO-SYD
28 Msh744 : I just remembered another. I was too young to understand the situtaion and be scared, but it might be more frightening now (with more knowledge about
29 DIA : Ahh, yes. The good 'ole switch to the classic DC-9. Seems to me you lucked out on that one. A ride in a DC-9 before they're gone, is a ride to never f
30 Flyawa : How about BA flight 9, as profiled by NBC Dateline on U.S. TV last week, on its encounter with volcanic ash off Java several years ago? Does anyone ha
31 BR715-A1-30 : DIA, I have flown on 2 of AirTran's DC9s, and the experience was horrible. All through the flight, I had such a bad headache, I felt like the White ba
32 Trintocan : Once, in 1983 when I was flying from YYZ to LGA on an AA 727-200. The plane flew into a relatively small cloud but then the flight became a bit bumpy
33 Redngold : February 1988, Eastern Metro Express, DeHavilland Dash 8-100, PBI-JAX. We took off on a hot, humid afternoon and flew approximately 1/2 way to JAX bef
34 Westjet_8 : YUL-YYC. I was in an Air Canada A321 and about 3 mins after takeoff it started shuddering and didn't stop for about another 5 -10mins. Then on landing
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