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A Double-whammy For Boeing?  
User currently offlineMCOtoATL From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 474 posts, RR: 4
Posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2715 times:

In reading about the talks between Airtran and Boeing about a potential 717-300, I was thinking about what Airtran will purchase for its new west-coast routes. While we hear about talks with Boeing, it seems that the downturn in the US economy has hurt Boeing in two ways. First, carriers are deferring deliveries and are postponing future orders. Secondly, carriers that are doing well, such as Airtran, need not buy new planes when they can pick up some fairly new planes that other airlines have parked. Granted, this could affect Airbus too, but I was thinking specifically about Airtran. Why order new planes, when you can, for a song, get some used ones?

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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9603 posts, RR: 69
Reply 1, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2696 times:
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well, where are there large numbers of the type(s) of planes AirTran could use, stored?

User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6278 posts, RR: 34
Reply 2, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2675 times:

Where have all the airplanes gone?
Not to graveyards every one.
(courtesy Peter, Paul and Mary)

Stored at Mojave, Marana and Victorville mostly. Lots of MD-80s available



Quit calling an airport ramp "Tarmac" and a taxiway "runway".
User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 1991 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2464 times:

Air Tran can get planes out of the desert for a "Song", not sure you intended that pun but funny none the less

User currently offlineLgbguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2385 times:

AirTran is only making money because it is buying new airplanes and parking the old.

AirTran did pick up the used TWA/AA 717s (23) in all, two of which are already in service with the airline.

The outlook for the 717-300 is very positive, contrary to what others on this forum would like you to believe. As stated on another thread on this site, an announcement will be made later this year on the fate of the -300 program.

lgbguy


User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2368 times:

AirTran did pick up the used TWA/AA 717s (23) in all, two of which are already in service with the airline.

Those 2 are currently N919AT, and N986AT. (Ship 792, and 797). I'm sure they're are more.

BTW -- If Flyer732 reads this post, I would like him to know that the aircraft I flew on back to GPT (N986AT) that had gone from LGA-MIA-ATL for maintenance had a burnt-out logo light when I boarded  Big grin I just found it kind of funny.


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2195 times:

Really, the potential for more in production narrow a/c types (737NGs, A319/320s) to be headed to the desert (especially if United starts to shed a/c like a snake does its' skin), the value for such a/c will diminish, and the market price will drop (just as the MD-80 market price is beginning to do), which spells bad news for a/c manufacturers and leasing companies.

User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2103 times:

Airtran is moving torwards an all 717 fleet. Picking up "used" 717's from the desert really is not an option since there are none. Remember, Airtran picked up all the "used" TWA 717's. They could pick up used MD-80's and 737's but that would defeat the purpose of having one type of aircraft in your fleet. Don't forget, the MD-80 and 717 have different type ratings. Then there's the fact that they have different engines, ACM's, avionics and APU.

If it only were as simple as parking your old airplanes and getting new ones. One cannot attribute their success to only having newer planes than everybody else.


User currently offlineJbmitt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 547 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2081 times:

I´ve wondered about this for a while...but with all of the 717´s that Airtran keeps getting, some from Boeing, ex TWA, leasors etc, etc... are they all configured the same, same engines, cockpit layout?

Thanks

Jason


User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2009 times:

Jbmitt:

Yes, the 717's will still be configured the same along with having the same engines. There might be minor differences but nothing major.


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1859 times:

Actually, the 717s AirTran is leasing from Pembroke have a different galley layout than the one's AirTran gets straight from LGB, and the TWA birds have a different galley layout as well, but I have heard Boeing is modifying them to AirTran's layout.

User currently offlineElwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1690 times:

All the 717s are being modified--slowly--to AirTran standards, with one exception: The TWA birds are keeping their airstairs, though they will be deactivated.

Also, parking any aircraft, even a 30-year-old DC-9-32, shows a depreciation cost on the company's balance sheet. So parking birds actually leads to a loss on the Profit/Loss sheet (aka Income Statement). That is reflected in a decrease in owner's equity on the Balance Sheet and statement of Owner's Equity. The savings in fuel maintenance does help, but parking birds does not mean profits. Look at AA, DL, US, and UA!!!

Also, barring an HGW package on 712/713 variants, don't expect AirTran to stick with a single fleet type. AirTran will be announcing a long-range aircraft this summer. Whether that's a HGW/LR/ER 712/713 or a completely different aircraft altogether will depend on Boeing's and Airbus' marketing and product development teams.

I believe AirTran will go for either a 752 or the 738, ordering another 50-75 717s, half of them HGW/LR/ER, almost all 713s if they can get them, and 25-50 of the other type, to be delivered over then next six to eight yearrs. But then, I'm not part of AirTran anymore and I don't get the rumors coming down like some...

Glad to see LAX/LAS. Pretty soon PHX, SFO, SEA and SAN, I think.

Cheers!



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