OdiE From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1 Posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2187 times:
A couple of weeks ago, someone mentioned that KLM might pull out from Malaysia due to low traffic to/from Malaysia. However, it was reported otherwise in Malaysia's Business Times.
In January 2003, the carrier's load factor improved by 5.5% to 91.2% compared with the same month last year (on the AMS-KUL-MNL sector). This had far exceeded the average load factor of other Asia cities at 85%. Also, the AMS-KUL-MNL is the second highest growing route in their international network after AMS-JNB (in terms of load factor).
But, despite this growth in the AMS-KUL-MNL route, KLM’s operations in Malaysia are expecting a decline of 4 per cent in revenue for fiscal 2002/03 since KLM used to operate 6 times weekly turnaround services at KUL compared to the current 5 times weekly AMS-KUL-MNL.
As the number of seats stabilized for this fiscal year, KLM expects its operations in Malaysia to grow by 2 to 3% in revenue for the fiscal year ending March 31 2004.
KLM's general manager for Malaysia, Thailand, the Philippines and Vietnam said that their plans to get that 2-3% growth in revenue means that they need to work together with our trade partners, like Malaysia Airlines (MAS); to maintain the loyalty of their customers, and try to exploit on those days where they had low load factor and new opportunities to grow their traffic.
KLM's wish is to increase flight frequencies between Amsterdam and Kuala Lumpur from 5 to 7 weekly services, but this will not happen anytime this year.
Looks like all is going well between MAS and KLM; and KLM is not pulling out from KUL.
Airbus Lover From Malaysia, joined Apr 2000, 3248 posts, RR: 10 Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2098 times:
Good for them. Hope they will increase their flights to daily if demand is there in the future and they are really working well with MAS. This kinda shows the MAS would most probably be nearer to NW/KL than other 'alliances'.
DIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 30 Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1799 times:
KUL is one of the great pax-friendly airports in the world. Not one U.S. carrier serves it and just a while back, all of Europes major carriers serving KUL, excluding KLM, pulled out. Qantas pulled out as well. Air New Zealand doesn't serve KUL either. Are they getting some of these airlines now? What's the hold up for service?
Ding! You are now free to keep supporting Frontier.
Mhz From United Arab Emirates, joined Apr 2002, 92 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1710 times:
When I fly I would definitely get the flight that flies direct to my destination and try to avoid stopover/transit/transfer. I am sure everyone hates changing of planes and a couple of hours transit, not forgetting the possibility of lost luggage.
OdiE From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1651 times:
NWA used to fly into KUL in from 1998 to 2001. I don't think they did well on the route because they were flying passengers between KUL and KIX instead of NRT, where their Pacific hub is. Plus, they are flying with DC-10s and bear in mind that Asian passengers are very conscious with the type of aircraft they are flying with. Once they hear something like DC-10s or old aircraft, no matter how good it is maintained, they will probably write off the airline itself.
DIA: Austrian Air also operates into KUL. European Airlines that had pulled out from KUL include Air France, Lufthansa, British Air, Sabena, Tarom Bulgarian Airlines. I am not too sure if Malev Hungarian Airlines and CSA Czech Airlines operated into KUL before. Qantas, Air New Zeland, Ansett all used to serve KUL before.
On the brighter side, Orient Thai, Air Macau, Yemenia, Qatar Air, Xiamen Air, Mekong Air, Royal Nepal Airlines, Philipphines Air have all inaugurated services into KUL in the past year or so. (PR and RA is coming online soon) Also, other East Asian carriers, e.g. China Southern, Korean Air, China Airlines have all inreased their capacity into KUL.
Rupervander82: It is not easier for the passengers to do so! (transit in SIN/BKK) Plus, it's more expensive for the pax to do so. When British Air pulled out from KUL, they thought that their loyal customers will not mind the transit in Singapore and fly with British Air from Singapore to London, but I guess they were wrong. All of these so called loyal British Air customers have now found a better airline to fly with, i.e. MAS, which provide a better seat pitch and a nonstop service from KUL to LHR. And don't forget the ex-Europe/America passengers which need to transit in Heathrow and then again at Singapore just to get into Kuala Lumpur. Personally, I think they will go with MAS and transfer at any cities served by MAS or another European/Middle eastern carrier.
Brons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2969 posts, RR: 5 Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1630 times:
We have been through this whole SIN/KUL thing before.
The concensus has been, while KUL is a fine airport, many airlines already have established hubs other places, like Singapore. They are are unwilling to move to KUL because there is no cost benefit to doing so. This is not at all a judgement on the quality of KUL or Malaysia in general, just that the existing airports are established hubs, and they are fairly close by.
For many airlines, flying widebodies into both SIN and KUL would be akin to flying widebodies into both IAH and DFW, which are only about 260 miles apart. You don't seen Continental flying to Europe from DFW, nor AA from IAH, because either airport is a short hop and a connection away.
Firings, if well done, are good for employee morale.
SQ772 From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 1792 posts, RR: 5 Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1571 times:
The sensitivities evoked everytime a topic on Malaysia (airport/airline etc) and Singapore (airport/airline etc) are brought up in the same post. It appears to be very much reflective of current Singapore-Malaysia or Malaysia-Singapore sentiments....
OdiE From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1566 times:
Brons2: Malaysia did asked QF/BA to shift their hub from SIN to KUL. Of course that would be unsuccessful. Why would they shift their hub from SIN to KUL since they are already have a good base in SIN. The Malaysian Government of course realized that it's not possible for major airlines to shift their hub when their hub in either SIN/BKK is already well established. What the Malaysian government wants now is for these airlines to have flights into KUL. Having said that, the Malaysian government is trying to lure those small carriers to use KUL hub. So far, they had managed to lure Qatar Air, Austrian Air, KLM among others.
I understand what you meant by AA/DFW and CO/IAH. But there are European airlines that operate into both cities, same goes for IAD/BWI, EWR/JFK. Of course we can't compare these cities between SIN/KUL, mainly because the population/wealth isn't the same. But for some airlines that have a lot of traffic to/from Malaysia, I don't see why they are not flying into KUL, but rather connect their passengers via SIN/BKK. Fine examples are British Air, Qantas, China Eastern and believe it a not, there are some passengers on United/NWA's flight from Malaysia, just because United offer one of the cheapest air fares from Malaysia.
Docpepz: Actually, if you read all of Rupertvander's post on MAS/Malaysia, they are mainly negative and SIA/Singapore are mainly positive.
Airbus Lover From Malaysia, joined Apr 2000, 3248 posts, RR: 10 Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1527 times:
Well not really offensive but I find that his posts are negative when it comes to MH/Malaysia.
Its true that most of NWA and UAL's transpac flights have traffic originating from Malaysia. With NWA, you have the choice of SQ/MH from Penang or KL to Singapore. With UAL, you have the choice of TG/MH to BKK, SIN or HKG (CX). Yet they still have the cheapest fare while you get to fly on some really nice carriers like CX and MH for the intra Asian flights. makes me wonder why they wont let us fly KUL/PEN-NRT on MH longer flight is good for us plane freaks but maybe the ticket cost with their partner (in this case MH) is higher.
Mas777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2916 posts, RR: 6 Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1457 times:
OdiE - Balkan Bulgaria used to fly to KUL not Tarom (Romanian).
As a former BA Exec Gold flying LHR-KUL for over 15 years - I have found that MAS offers exceptional service on the KUL route and have never looked back since. I can however only speak for myself and my family who ply this route every few weeks.
A very good friend at BA asked why we felt no loyalty to the airline (BA) after all this time flying on BA since the 80s prior to its privatisation - the answer was simple - BA now operates to KUL via HKG on a code-share with CX - my answer was 'Does BA honestly think that selling a ticket for a much higher fare via a much longer route be popular amongst its most loyal customers - the answer is NO.' Why should I pay over £3000 pounds for my ticket to KL via HKG just to fly in Club World be it a far superior product (mind you only in the seat department) than MAS' Golden Club - when the basic cabin service on MAS far outweighs BA's anytime?
I actually am proud to be a frequent flyer with MAS today (though I would never have thought it 3 years ago) and hope that the short-sightedness of other airlines neglecting KUL as an important market, benefits MAS in the long-run as it establishes itself further as one of Asia's most prominent carriers...
MASkargo From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2003, 181 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1385 times:
Well, for one thing, I'm sure BA will not be able to stay away from KUL or CGK for too long. I had collected 5 single legs between KUL and LHR, and was about to claim my 6th one free when they decided to suspend ops into KUL. I had the chance to fly via Qantas to singapore, with connecting flights to KUL. Lets just say i will stick with MH from now on.
MASkargo From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2003, 181 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1342 times:
er..brons2... i don't see how serving IAH and DFW (both in texas) with widebodies is the same as serving SIN and KUL (separate sovereign states); notwithstanding the fact that they are 40 minutes flying time from each other ...
we each have separate business climates and expatriate population, and that's not considering the massive tourism industries on both sides.
how do you explain flying widebodies into Birmingham/Manchester and London; or Paris and Brussels/Amsterdam.... I can assure you that many of the businessmen/tourists travelling via SIN head off into malaysia and vv.
100 000 passengers annually flew with BA on their KUL-LHR flights. And let me tell you that many of the SQ passengers on KUL-LHR are malaysians.
MASkargo From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2003, 181 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1265 times:
Well airbus lover ... I've been on quite a few of the MH flights to LHR over the 6 years...and let me say that from my observation, most of them were gwailos and Malaysians... and I can assure you that half of the malaysians in my class took SQ back to KUL/PEN on one strange occasion! Well...you're probably right anyways... just my observation!