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AA Pilot Arrested In Omaha  
User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6204 posts, RR: 12
Posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4693 times:

CNN is reporting a pilot was arrested in Omaha, Nebraska for making threats. No details yet.


Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
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User currently offlinePilot1113 From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2333 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4588 times:

>>CNN is reporting a pilot was arrested in Omaha, Nebraska for making threats. No details yet.<<

Probably just some frustrated pilot screaming at a TSA agent, who believes he/she is god's gift to law enforcement.

- Neil Harrison


User currently offlineSpeedport From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4557 times:

I'm sorry, but sometimes you can't help but laugh. Here it is:

OMAHA, Neb. (AP) -- An American Airlines pilot was cited for disorderly conduct Wednesday after allegedly threatening to chop off the head of a federal security agent.

City prosecutor Marty Conboy said the pilot and agent apparently had an argument and the pilot referred to an ax on the plane that could be used to behead the agent. Exactly what happened was still under investigation.

The pilot was cited and released, police Sgt. Cathy Cook said.

American Airlines would not identify the pilot and spokeswoman Julia Bishop-Cross said only that the airline was investigating.

The flight to St. Louis left 90 minutes late with another pilot.


User currently offline737doctor From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1332 posts, RR: 39
Reply 3, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4518 times:

The TSA agent was probably 'busting his balls' over something trivial and the pilot, in frustration, said something like "Hey, if I wanted to hurt someone, there is a freaking crash axe on board the damn plane that I could use!"

Not the smartest reaction by the pilot, but I can totally understand it.

737doc
{standing bravely in the face of a possible flame war}
 Big grin



Patrick Bateman is my hero.
User currently offlinePilot1113 From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2333 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4495 times:

These TSA agents are way too full of themselves. This is getting rediculous. I swear they have a hard-on for pilots.

If they wanted to attend college for 4 years and sink a couple thousand in flight training, then they could too earn a professional's pay. For some unknown reason they believe that it is the fault of that Captain or First Officer walking through security and feel the need to exercise that new authority they were given.

- Neil Harrison


User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6204 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4447 times:

I think the screeners are really just listening for key words, and when they hear them, they simply go haywire without thinking. Pretty sad, really...


Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3949 posts, RR: 28
Reply 6, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4433 times:

I wonder if the power hungry TSA worker pulled the pilots FAA certificate (which they now have the power to do) because he/she/it felt the pilot was a security risk?

I got yelled at in JAN the other morning for grabbing my bags off the belt before one of the Thousands Standing Around agents could move them to the end of the line. It's nice when they take their job seriously, but this crap has gotten way out of hand!! My biggest beef is that THEY MAKE MORE MONEY THAN I DO!!!!

I'm sick of the following questions/demands:

"Do you have a laptop in there?"
"Remove your hat please"
"Please walk through with your arms at your side"
"Are you sure you don't want to take your shoes off?"
"Can I see your ID sir"
"Geez - you guys pack like you're gone for a long time"
"Aren't you a little young for this job?"

The replies I wish I could make to the questions/demands:

"No, and if I could afford one, and actually had one, I would know that I have to remove it from the case"
"Really? I do this everyday and ha NO IDEA I needed to do that"
"Naw - I thought I'd walk through flailing my arms, or knitting an afghan"
"Yes I'm sure - I have dignity, am not in my parents house, they won't beep and I don't wear metal shanked shoes to work - because I know the hoops I jump through just getting to my darned office!!"
"Can I see yours?"
"Well, I will be gone AT WORK for 4 days, therefore need things to wear etc... while not in uniform. This other bag is my food that I have to bring while on a 4 day trip because eating 3 meals a day, for 4 days on my wages is just not possible and the third bag is 30 pounds of information to get that airplane off the ground, through the sky and back on the ground in one piece, while keeping my life, my job and your grandma from wetting her gertle."
"Aren't you a little bored and tired of your highly paid power trip?"


Just needed to vent...


AZJ


User currently offlineAlaskaairlines From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2054 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4414 times:

It cost just a bit more than a couple of grand to get flight training. More like 25k, no less.

-Dmitry


User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6204 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4383 times:


I wonder if the power hungry TSA worker pulled the pilots FAA certificate (which they now have the power to do) because he/she/it felt the pilot was a security risk?


I don't think that just any TSA screener can pull your certificate. I'm pretty sure it would have to come from higher up that that. Nonetheless, I'm not going to be handing my ticket over to those power hungry tools.



Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3949 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4364 times:

Dmitry - explain your comment

Jhooper - well, they may not physically be able to take it - but they can deem the pilot a risk and have the feds pull the cert.

http://www.alpa.org/alpa/DesktopModules/ViewDocument.aspx?DocumentID=1793



AZJ


User currently offlineNdege From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 204 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4363 times:

I love how they explain things to you like you're a child when walking through.

"In a moment I'm going to ask you to take off your shoes and raise your right leg. I'm going to pass my magic wand over your leg. If it beeps I may have to touch your leg with the back of my hand."

I have to wonder what they'd say to a large-gauge piercing in someone's no-no-nether regions. I might just have a problem with Antoin backhanding me there.


User currently offlineAdam84 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1400 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4302 times:

They have to explain things like children because the sad fact is the majority of americans are too stupid to understand anything else.

Umm yeah, I guess because he is a pilot he is incapable of causing any harm and is never going to commit a crime. He made a threat and was stopped for it. Big deal, I guess I can go around telling people Im going to kill them because they frustrated me??


User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4604 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4280 times:

Just wait for the day when travelers and airline employees finally get fed up and just start lashing out at the TSA agents, charge the check point (creating new TSA-skinned rugs  Smile), or simply refuse to travel until the morons in Washington get rid of these bozos.

I still like the part where they always strip search (well not literally) employees even though they have already passed a 10-year FBI background check. At least in some smaller airports, airline employees can completely avoid the idoits and get out to the ramp and up to the gate without having to go through screening.

Ugh...if only you could speak your mind directly to them without having to worry about getting thrown in jail.


User currently offlineJ32driver From United States of America, joined May 2000, 399 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks ago) and read 4207 times:

Azjubilee... one of these days I'm gonna have to buy you a beer for that. Thats funny... especially the part about the afghan.

As much of a pain in the ass as the TSA folks are, I do beleive they are better than what we had previously. Most of the TSA folks I've run into while getting screened are genuinely nice and friendly and try and make small talk while I'm waiting on my bags. I've finally realized this is what I'm going to deal with for the next 33 years and have just accepted it. I can't change it, theres no reason to get pissed every morning for the next 33 years. Life is just plain to short for it.


User currently offlineGoingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4155 times:

There was an agent with an attitude in Las Vegas last week. The guy was admonishing some guy to take something off his belt...rather rudely. The woman behind me made a comment rather loudly (enough for him to hear, but not threatening in any way) about isn't it possible to at least ASK rather than accuse. The guy's attitude changed for a while anyway.

User currently offlineCwapilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1166 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4148 times:

Please, speak for yourself, and your fellow Californians!

Anyway, I have noticed, for the most part, a much more alert, courteous and efficient security apparatus. There always have been and always will be a selection of assholes who take themselves too seriously. A more likely scenario here is that, after being tired of a pilot being too arrogant to comply with what he KNOWS he has to do every day, the agent got tired of him and put the smack down to put him back in his place. TSA agents don't corner the market on arrogance and ignorance by any means, especially with a bunch of popmpous ass pilots around. I have seen, on several occassions, pilots getting away with attitudes and language towards security agents that would land any of us normal folks in the back office being interrogated! One time, I even saw one pilot tell his colleague to "just cool it and take your damned hat off for godsakes!" The queue of 50+ people and growing as this moron threw his hissy fit clapped.

It goes both ways, and, ultimately, the one with the badge, plastic or not, is going to win. I am sure a pilot aboard his aircraft takes his authority no less seriously, and will have no problem having a passenger arrested for making stupid, threatening comments he knows will not amount to anything.




Southside Irish...our two teams are the White Sox and whoever plays the Cubs!
User currently offlineDe727ups From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 814 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4077 times:

Since the TSA guys have been around, I've found security to be more professional and efficient. It does seem like there are a lot of them standing around not doing much. I guess they do that to staff for the peak times but to think the airlines have to pay for this extra security stuff....no wonder they can't make a dime. I hope someday technology will allow for a more streamlined process and fewer agents. Pilots that have been though a ten year FBI/airline background check shouldn't have to go through this. After all, what good does it do to take away a pilots nail clippers when he does have a crash axe in the cockpit....or is at the controls of a 100 ton airplane.

User currently offlineCwapilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1166 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4048 times:

Maybe in case he is in a stolen uniform, or, like a couple pilots in the recent past, has a suicidal inkling....a plane crashed into the ground and a plane plunged into the sea should remind us that pilots are not above the security measures we all have to go through. The very fact that they do have control of a 100 ton potential missle should subject them to at least the level of security a guy with a laptop is subjected to.

If we've learned anything through all this, it should be that the most unlikely can and will happen. Some people are just going to have to deal with it, or get jobs as truckers instead.




Southside Irish...our two teams are the White Sox and whoever plays the Cubs!
User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3949 posts, RR: 28
Reply 18, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3995 times:

I totally agree - that the TSA workers are 1000 times better than the contract workers of our past. They are way more professional, couteous and actually seem like they want to do the best they can at their job. With that said - I still maintain my frustration. I understand they have a job to do, but as crew members we are subjected to this EVERY DAY! It gets tiresome to get treated like we've never done this before. It also gets really iritating to be treated like we are a threat and are suspicous. For the record, I have never snapped at a TSA agent, nor have I seen any fellow crewmember do so. I have the outlook that I'll have to deal with this knee jerk reactive process for the rest of my career... that is if I can make it through the next 35 years of being yanked around by all facets of this industry. After all the crap we go through on a daily basis, it's hard to remember why I love to fly.


AZJ


User currently offlineRj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1861 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3949 times:

Oh, Man! This is the first time I've heard of Omaha getting this much attention!

User currently offlineKevi747 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1058 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3913 times:

The first TSA screeners we had were great. They were all ex-military and were so friendly. But I have to be honest, I can't tell the difference between most of the ones they've gotten since then and the old pre-9/11 ones. They're all so ghetto! I mean a lot of them are really nice, but come on, it's like the same old people.

I'm glad that pilot got arrested, though. I understand people getting frustrated, but you can't go around telling people that you're going to kill them, that's just not cool.



"Reality has a well-known liberal bias." --Stephen Colbert
User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3830 times:

Looks like crash axes will be the next banned item......................

User currently offlineDC-10 Levo From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 3432 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3820 times:

I wonder if the pilot will lose his job?

"These TSA agents are way too full of themselves"

We don't know who's fault it was yet, so you can't blame the TSA agents.

DC-10


User currently offlineIAHERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 677 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3758 times:

My guess is that the pilot made a comment after being treated like a criminal by the TSA guy like this "listen, if I wanted to kill someone, I'd use the crash ax that sits right by my seat in the cockpit". This pissed off the TSA guy and he twisted the words around and had the police remove the pilot from the plane. As much as I have been frustrated with the TSA for stupid time consuming for all involved (especially the people behind me in line) searches of bags etc., you have to keep your damn mouth shut and let them feel important for the moment. This is probably the pinnacle of their careers and the way to go about changing the current policy of flight crews having to go through security can not be done by individuals at the checkpoints. Not all airports require flight crews to endure this waste of time. ATL is one that comes to mind. If you posess an ATL badge, you get around security thus saving the passangers and TSA agents the time taken to put on the show with the flight crewmember. Other smaller airports allow crews to pass behind operations but the id's must be checked by the airline workers working the ticket counter.


Actually flown: EMB-120 EMB-145 B717 B737 B757 B767
User currently offlineTT737FO From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 472 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3752 times:

>>>" totally agree - that the TSA workers are 1000 times better than the contract workers of our past. They are way more professional, couteous and actually seem like they want to do the best they can at their job. With that said - I still maintain my frustration. I understand they have a job to do, but as crew members we are subjected to this EVERY DAY! It gets tiresome to get treated like we've never done this before. It also gets really iritating to be treated like we are a threat and are suspicous. For the record, I have never snapped at a TSA agent, nor have I seen any fellow crewmember do so. I have the outlook that I'll have to deal with this knee jerk reactive process for the rest of my career... that is if I can make it through the next 35 years of being yanked around by all facets of this industry. After all the crap we go through on a daily basis, it's hard to remember why I love to fly."

1-800-WAAAAAAAAA  Sad

Let me ask you something, Azjubilee: Have you ever been outside of the United States? Spend some time in a 3rd World shit hole--where there are no civil liberties--and you may have a different perspective than the snot-nosed crybaby that you are coming across as.

Maybe we just ought to thank our stars above that there is some oversight now--on a system that woefully let us all down a year and a half ago. The TSA is a whole new animal--give it some time to break in. Sometimes implementing change is painful.

>>>"My biggest beef is that THEY MAKE MORE MONEY THAN I DO!!!!"

Right now, there is a GS-11 position available for a 3000/500 (100 hrs turbine time) pilot position--saw it on a Federal Website. Flying prisoners. Starting pay is $50k +. If you are feeling froggy.....leap!

>>>"that is if I can make it through the next 35 years of being yanked around by all facets of this industry"

What are you...23? Yanked around!? When I left active duty with 1000+ hrs in F-18s I lowered myself (because I loved to fly) to part 135 work (3 crap-ass box haulers), Great Lakes (the rock bottom), a reputable "National Airline", the number one carrier in America which is now bankrupt (where I was promptly furloughed due to the mistakes of minimum wage workers on Sept 11th). Now I am working for a reputable airline for the next three years on contract. Sitting sideways.

I'll tell you one thing, even my military uniform and ID does not entitle me to have my ass kissed. That I have to earn.



25 AA717driver : Speaking of calling 1-800-WAA-AAAH... TT--Your F/A-18 time entitles you to the exact opportunity that AZjubilee, IAHERJ, me and the rest of the line p
26 Azjubilee : TT737FO - well you totally missed the point apparantly. I'm not being a crybaby nor am I seeking anyones shoulder to cry on. I'm just venting the frus
27 TT737FO : Well, let's not get into a pissing contest--yes, math in public has let me down. My point(s): there is a lot of whining on the part of flight crews. I
28 N743AS : TSA really stands for "THOUSANDS STANDING AROUND"!!! I think that they are a waste of American tax dollars because there are about a 1,000 people work
29 Azjubilee : TT - no pissing match intended. Don't get me wrong - I value my job. I have come so close to getting furloughed twice now in the last 2 years that I a
30 BR715-A1-30 : "Hi, I'm John Liland, and I'm a USAir Pilot. I feel safe in speaking for all of my colleagues when I say I DO NOT HAVE A DEATH WISH. I have no strange
31 Pilot1113 : >>If you're bored and sitting around the terminal, count the "white shirts". I bet you, you can't count them all at one checkpoint. They just multiply
32 Kevi747 : Mr. Bin Ladin has won!!!!! We are living in a complete police state when TSA screeners can arrest people. "Thousands Standing Around" is the perfect d
33 Max Q : The TSA exemplify the current administration which is more akin to a budding dictatorship with all the human rights enjoyed by the former residents of
34 Jwenting : About time someone pulled those pilots down to earth. Many of them think they're gods and above the law.
35 Post contains images AA717driver : What's the matter, Jwenting? Some pilot must have nailed your girlfriend TC
36 Kevi747 : Jwenting, I will have to agree with your point. Pilots are so gross! Bunch of rich, old, white, Republican men with grey, receding hairlines who think
37 Pilot1113 : >>About time someone pulled those pilots down to earth. Many of them think they're gods and above the law.
38 N743AS : "Pilots are so gross! Bunch of rich, old, white, Republican men with grey, receding hairlines who think they're God." Well I'm young, semi-conservativ
39 Max Q : Actually i'm a Democrat and proud of it.
40 Gocaps16 : Hey Kevi747, I disagree with you. Nowadays, I have seen a lot of young airline pilots not some skaggy old pilot with gray hair that you mentioned. Her
41 MidnightMike : The TSA people at the airports have been doing a hell of a job, the aviation community have been resisting them from day 1 due to all of the changes
42 Willfly4food : Kevi747, Most of us came to this profession with the idea of working with a bunch of cute young girls for flight attendants instead we get a bunch of
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