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User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 51
Posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2035 times:

Weird things are going on with KLM this summer, in terms of their service to Canada..

This suumer, KLM will make Montreal an MD11 station, with Toronto receiving a mix bag of 74Combi's/743's, and YVR / CYVR), Canada - British Columbia">YVR will remain a B767.

Funny thing is, in May, KLM will downgrade Montreal to a B767, downgrade Toronto to an MD11, and Vancouver to 6 weekly..

This is weird news.... now we all know Load factor's mean nothing, but Montreal/Toronto last summer were neck and neck with KLM's most pax carried by a single flight. Apparently the load factors for each city were about 95%....

Took a look at bookings in may, many of the YYZ / CYYZ), Canada - Ontario">YYZ and YUL / CYUL), Canada - Quebec">YUL flights are now oversold, with June looking 2/3 to full already. Taking up lists of pax and the fares that the paid, there are many full fare pax on KL out of YYZ / CYYZ), Canada - Ontario">YYZ and YUL / CYUL), Canada - Quebec">YUL, surprising actually... many elite's on these flights as well..

Going down from 466 seats to 215 seats is a big step in capacity reduction.. they blame the Middle East... but what is really going on?

Mark

[Edited 2003-03-11 06:55:00]

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User currently offlineAWspicious From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2012 times:

That is quite interesting. Last winter they operated an MD11 into YYZ, but, not this winter. now, talks of changing again? Hmmmm......

aw


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2017 times:

many elite's on these flights as well..

Damn straight!  Smile


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1997 times:

Doesn't AC add seasonal YYZ-AMS service this summer again? If so, this could depress demand for KLM.

Anyway, KLM is slowly parking their 743 fleet. Perhaps a downgrade to the MD-11 makes more sense than the 744.

I'm always happy to see another MD-11 operator in YYZ.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1975 times:

Both YYZ and YUL will be first destinations for KLM to recieve the 777 when it starts service for KLM at the end of Oct03. I think that's an indication that KLM considers both YYZ and YUL as important desitnations.

The777Man



Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly....CI, MU, LX and LH 777s
User currently offlineAWspicious From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1969 times:

KLM triple-7s to YYZ?! Cool!
I see the British Airways 777 flights into and out of YYZ every so often; I see El Al's 777 infrequently (even though it operates often); But, I see the KLM flights quite often, so, I know I'll be seeing that 777 a lot.

aw


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1953 times:

FLYYUL, I don't know where you get your information from but on KLM's slot application they said that they'll use the B747-300 to both YUL and YYZ

Doesn't AC add seasonal YYZ-AMS service this summer again? If so, this could depress demand for KLM

Indeed AC has announced a seasonal daily YYZ-AMS flight (767-300).


User currently offlineErikr From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1817 times:

KLM summer reductions may also be partially due to Martinair's annual summer schedule starting up:

3x weekly to Toronto (2 start mid-April, 3rd mid-May through late Oct)
2x weekly to Vancouver (mid May - mid Sept)
2x weekly to Calgary/Edmonton (mid May - mid Sept)

All presumably with B767-300.

-Erik


User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1743 times:

The shcedule is already made... what about the slot applications?

Mark


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1703 times:

The shcedule is already made... what about the slot applications?


KLM made the following application for its flight to YUL. Given that this was data as of Feb 28 I reckon they must have changed the schedule at a very short notice (schedule changes are usually incorporated in the application)

D AMS KL671 01JUN 30SEP 1234567 282 M11 1410 YUL YUL
D AMS KL671 30MAR 31MAY 1234567 466 743 1410 YUL YUL
A AMS KL672 30MAR 02JUN 1234567 466 743 YUL YUL 0555
A AMS KL672 03JUN 29SEP 1234567 282 M11 YUL YUL 0615

The only logical reason for this sudden change is either a lack of booking or they had to retire one B747-300 earlier than anticipated (wouldn't be the first time this happens).

BTW YUL-AMS on KLM on June 2/3 still open for booking!! I already feel sorry for the gate agent at YUL if everybody turns up.


User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1692 times:

YULAMS and YYZAMS last summer were 95% full on average...

Mark


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