N737MC From Canada, joined Oct 2000, 679 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4273 times:
As Lufthansa is making great progress here in Denver, I could see them adding a second flight to Frankfurt or adding a flight to Munich. I hear there loads are quite high. Adding a morning arrival would be great, on top of there afternoon arrival.
Of course, I would stick with the A340-313's for the route, as the aircraft proves to be economical for these flights.
BA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11154 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4256 times:
It was reported by a German Airliners.net member late last year that Lufthansa is interested in starting MUC-DEN service. I then contacted airport officials and they told me they are in talks with Lufthansa about starting the route and are researching demographics.
Before anyone says that Lufthansa must be on drugs, keep in mind that Colorado's 2nd largest minority are Germans after Hispanics. Primarily from the Bavarian region of Germany which is where Munich is located.
I guess we'll find out. I assume we'll hear an announcement for increased DEN service sometime this summer.
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
FLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 5019 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4243 times:
With new routes to Rome/Vienna/Munich and Beyrut in the last two years, I would call Montreal a secondary STAR hub... Air Canada says the in the press release the key for these routes are connections....
As for STAR, I think its within LH's plans to promote MUC as the viable alternative to Frankfurt... and as such, I think itll link its STAR hub routes to MUC at one point or another.
Yyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16374 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4232 times:
Ya, I don't disagree Mark.
keep in mind that Colorado's 2nd largest minority are Germans
Most German-Americans (and there are over 50M) have no family ties to Germany anymore since German immigration to the US peaked from 1850 to 1920. I doubt ethnic ties drive any LH US routes. A DEN-MUC route will likely focus on non-VFR (ie, business).
Similarly, over 100M Americans have British background....only a small minority have any family ties to the UK anymore.
Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
DIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3954 times:
Sometimes I just don't get it. From the "numbers" Lufthansa looks very successful on the Denver operation; but why do I keep seeing them use A342s on the route!? Tell me it's just due to a smaller load every now and then. (I just saw another about three or four weeks ago)
9V-SPF From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1375 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3849 times:
Last month the FRA-DEN route was operated by A342´s five or six times. While this is quite often for a route where a daily 343 is scheduled, I wouldn´t go so far to say it has to be caused by low bookings on the DEN flight. It also might depend on unexpected higher loads on other A342 routes (for example FRA-ATL is occasionally served by an A343), late aircraft arrivals at FRA, maintenance reasons etc.
MUC-DEN is a route that I had expected to be introduced before MUC-YUL (which I thought would rather be operated by Air Canada) as demand to Colorado indeed seems to be high here in Germany at the moment and that´s not only low yield tourism.
A 744 from FRA could also be an option but it would then have to be replaced by smaller aircraft on one of the other routes.
Bicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3778 times:
Who cares about the size of the German population? Airlines don't make money off of Kinder taking leisure trips home to visit Eltern und Grosseltern or other Verwandten visiting on excursion fares to Denver and the west. They make it off a good percentage of business travelers and cargo in the bellies of the passenger planes.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33377 posts, RR: 71
Reply 19, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3606 times:
MIA is a star hub not served from MUC. We had MIA-MUC on Austrian before 9.11, though it has not come back. It has been on LH/OS "future routes" list for a long time coming, but has yet to surface. Though I think we will see MIA-MUC back in the near future.
Munich From Germany, joined Mar 2002, 155 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3445 times:
I don't believe in a MUC-DEN service. I think it will be a 2nd flight from FRA or, in my oppinion is more probable, a larger aircraft like B744 or A346.
It's a difficult situation for Munich. Like I had heard, there where some difficulties in the LH-company, to inaugerate the MUC-YUL flight, because somebodies in the compony don't want, that this flight will be served first from MUC.
Otherwise there is hardly a possibility for LH to expand in FRA, because a additional runway is needed for additional slots in FRA.
FLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 5019 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3344 times:
"It's a difficult situation for Munich. Like I had heard, there where some difficulties in the LH-company, to inaugerate the MUC-YUL flight, because somebodies in the compony don't want, that this flight will be served first from MUC."