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Lufthansa "strongly" Interested In Expanding DEN  
User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4161 times:

At last week's industry conference, Lufthansa German Airlines expressed the strongest interest in expanding operations at DIA, he said.

"I'm pretty excited with the Lufthansa talks," Melfi said. "It's the most exciting of all."

Lufthansa offers one daily flight from Denver to Frankfurt.

Melfi said Lufthansa is looking at either increasing its aircraft size or flight frequency. A Lufthansa spokeswoman declined to comment.


SOURCE: http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E33%257E1229061%257E,00.html

Regards


"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
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User currently offlineN737MC From Canada, joined Oct 2000, 678 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4142 times:

As Lufthansa is making great progress here in Denver, I could see them adding a second flight to Frankfurt or adding a flight to Munich. I hear there loads are quite high. Adding a morning arrival would be great, on top of there afternoon arrival.

Of course, I would stick with the A340-313's for the route, as the aircraft proves to be economical for these flights.



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User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4142 times:

DenverMunich seems like one of those routes that each STAR hub will have...

Every Star hub now has service to Munich except for Vancouver. YUL/YYZ/ORD/IAD/SFO/LAX have service to MUC..

Mark


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4125 times:

It was reported by a German Airliners.net member late last year that Lufthansa is interested in starting MUC-DEN service. I then contacted airport officials and they told me they are in talks with Lufthansa about starting the route and are researching demographics.

Before anyone says that Lufthansa must be on drugs, keep in mind that Colorado's 2nd largest minority are Germans after Hispanics. Primarily from the Bavarian region of Germany which is where Munich is located.

I guess we'll find out. I assume we'll hear an announcement for increased DEN service sometime this summer.

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4114 times:

I thought YUL-MUC was only just announced & has not yet begun? Isn't it also only summer-only? I'm also not sure I would call YUL a hub.....YUL is really just a large O+D market for the YUL area.

...seems like one of those routes that each STAR hub will have...

I don't think there are any must-have routes anywhere. Star Alliance carriers can ill-afford to have non-performing routes just because they link far-flung hubs.







Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4112 times:

Well Neil,

With new routes to Rome/Vienna/Munich and Beyrut in the last two years, I would call Montreal a secondary STAR hub... Air Canada says the in the press release the key for these routes are connections....

As for STAR, I think its within LH's plans to promote MUC as the viable alternative to Frankfurt... and as such, I think itll link its STAR hub routes to MUC at one point or another.

Mark


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4101 times:

Ya, I don't disagree Mark.

keep in mind that Colorado's 2nd largest minority are Germans

Most German-Americans (and there are over 50M) have no family ties to Germany anymore since German immigration to the US peaked from 1850 to 1920. I doubt ethnic ties drive any LH US routes. A DEN-MUC route will likely focus on non-VFR (ie, business).

Similarly, over 100M Americans have British background....only a small minority have any family ties to the UK anymore.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4081 times:

Most German-Americans (and there are over 50M) have no family ties to Germany anymore since German immigration to the US peaked from 1850 to 1920.

I wasn't talking about the German-Americans that emigrated here in the 1800's and early 1900's. I'm talking about pure German immigrants who are living in Colorado.



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4067 times:

Whatever it is.... 60-70% of all traffic through MUC or FRA will be connex in nature..

Mark


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 9, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4057 times:

This is very exciting news for Denver.

Possibly also a way to feed more into UA's strongest domestic hub.

I can't help that believe after the 16k ft runway is finished, DEN is going to become a force not only for European connections, but Asian as well.

N


User currently offlineAn-225 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 3950 posts, RR: 41
Reply 10, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4042 times:

I've heard this rumor too. I hope it comes through. 2 A-340's to photograph is better than just one!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Alex



Money does not bring you happiness. But it's better to cry in your own private limo than on a cold bus stop.
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3974 times:

Are they still flying the B 747-200?

User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 31
Reply 12, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3938 times:

Currently 2 B 742 are still in the air (beside LH Cargo, of course!)


I know it's only VfB but I like it!
User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 28
Reply 13, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3823 times:

Sometimes I just don't get it. From the "numbers" Lufthansa looks very successful on the Denver operation; but why do I keep seeing them use A342s on the route!? Tell me it's just due to a smaller load every now and then. (I just saw another about three or four weeks ago)
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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 14, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3754 times:

Isn't the A342 only in very infrequently?

N


User currently offline9V-SPF From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1375 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3718 times:

Last month the FRA-DEN route was operated by A342´s five or six times. While this is quite often for a route where a daily 343 is scheduled, I wouldn´t go so far to say it has to be caused by low bookings on the DEN flight. It also might depend on unexpected higher loads on other A342 routes (for example FRA-ATL is occasionally served by an A343), late aircraft arrivals at FRA, maintenance reasons etc.

MUC-DEN is a route that I had expected to be introduced before MUC-YUL (which I thought would rather be operated by Air Canada) as demand to Colorado indeed seems to be high here in Germany at the moment and that´s not only low yield tourism.
A 744 from FRA could also be an option but it would then have to be replaced by smaller aircraft on one of the other routes.

Daniel


User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3647 times:

Who cares about the size of the German population? Airlines don't make money off of Kinder taking leisure trips home to visit Eltern und Grosseltern or other Verwandten visiting on excursion fares to Denver and the west. They make it off a good percentage of business travelers and cargo in the bellies of the passenger planes.

User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3635 times:

Will the new Montreal-Munich route be served with A340-200 or A340-300?

Mark


User currently offlineFlumuc From Germany, joined Oct 1999, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3621 times:

A340-300, LHs long hauls from MUC are all served with A340-300

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32603 posts, RR: 72
Reply 19, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3475 times:

MIA is a star hub not served from MUC. We had MIA-MUC on Austrian before 9.11, though it has not come back. It has been on LH/OS "future routes" list for a long time coming, but has yet to surface. Though I think we will see MIA-MUC back in the near future.


a.
User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 20, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3466 times:

I think with the demise of Varig, the Miami Star Hub is in question.

I wonder if TAM will join Star post absorbing Varig.

N


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3414 times:

The Mayor's top officials are on a trading mission in Asia touring China and Japan. Part of there reason for going there is to lure non-stop cargo and passenger flights.

They're trying to get Air China Cargo to start service from HKG and either ANA or JAL to start passenger service from NRT.

I guess we'll see what happens.....

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineMunich From Germany, joined Mar 2002, 155 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3314 times:

I don't believe in a MUC-DEN service. I think it will be a 2nd flight from FRA or, in my oppinion is more probable, a larger aircraft like B744 or A346.

It's a difficult situation for Munich. Like I had heard, there where some difficulties in the LH-company, to inaugerate the MUC-YUL flight, because somebodies in the compony don't want, that this flight will be served first from MUC.

Otherwise there is hardly a possibility for LH to expand in FRA, because a additional runway is needed for additional slots in FRA.

Let us see.



Regards! Robert alias munich
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3213 times:

"It's a difficult situation for Munich. Like I had heard, there where some difficulties in the LH-company, to inaugerate the MUC-YUL flight, because somebodies in the compony don't want, that this flight will be served first from MUC."

-What does this mean?

Mark


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3172 times:

LOL Mark!

N



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
25 FLYYUL : Its just weird.. Montreal-Munich is programmed in the reservation system, but no connections available.... its like LH is offering YULMUC, and nothing
26 MAH4546 : I think with the demise of Varig, the Miami Star Hub is in question Ummm...not really. Especially considering Varig is not the only Star carrier at MI
27 Gigneil : But really, what's the point of having a Star Hub at Miami without Varig there too? Granted, I guess you could make some Mexicana connections there...
28 MAH4546 : But really, what's the point of having a Star Hub at Miami without Varig there too? Granted, I guess you could make some Mexicana connections there...
29 Blink182 : I'd say Lufthansa is better off having a second A340 from Frankfurt by making the current one leave either earlier and having the second flight leave
30 Munich : Hi Marc (FLYYUL), don't worry! Now the MUC-YUL flight is safe. But last week till Friday it was not sure, that this flight will be served from MUC. As
31 FLYYUL : Munich, Lufthansa would not be interested in operating this flight year-round? Mark
32 FLYYUL : Ok Robert..let me see if I got you here. a.) LH wanted to serve YULFRA before YULMUC, because all the MUC links from North America now, have FRA links
33 Munich : Hi Mark, of course, LH is interested. But it seems, there are rumours that LH has not enough aircrafts and than this routing will be taken over by AC.
34 Trvlr : Any more news on whether LH will further expand to new cities in North America? Aaron G.
35 Post contains images FLYYUL : Munich.. Thank you very much for your info.. and my german isnt so great either (i failed that class) Mark
36 Munich : I forgot, additional there is possibly a reason in the aircrafts. LH has for longhaulflights only B747, A340 and now also A330. The B767 from AC possi
37 Johnnybgoode : i really have no clue if YUL is intended to be seasonal only (this would have been indicated in the press releases, wouldn´t it?) or if it´s to be t
38 HlywdCatft : **Before anyone says that Lufthansa must be on drugs, keep in mind that Colorado's 2nd largest minority are Germans after Hispanics. Primarily from th
39 Klwright69 : An ethnic population centers is generally not the driving force behind route decisions. If that were the case Denver would have multiple daily frequen
40 MAH4546 : A long time ago UA had daily 757 service from IAD to SAL. I nearly laughed out loud when someone wrote a post that said that the route would probably
41 Gigneil : DC, and that route in specific, is a poor example to compare to Denver. But its a poor example in favor of the argument, not against it. The foreign c
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