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Turboprops...here To Stay?  
User currently offlineDeltaASA16 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2722 times:

Hey guys (and gals)

My airport is served entirely by turboprops. I continue to hear rumors that the feeder airlines are phasing them out! However, as some of you may know, ASA (DeltaConnection) is in the process of refurbishing their fleet of EMB-120 Brazilia turboprops... given them a new interior and Delta's New New paint job. Are the feeders really pushing toward all jet fleets?


Really Appreciate any info Big grin
DeltaASA16

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User currently offlineSpyderz From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 651 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2705 times:

Look at Air Canada Jazz. They have to be one of the largest turboprop operators, and their percentage of nonjet to jet aircraft is quite impressive, albiet they do have some 146's and CRJ's.

User currently offlineMitchell Gant From Montserrat, joined Aug 2000, 253 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2687 times:

Interesting topic. What do the major carriers have planned for their turboprop affiliates? Continental Express is now all jet, but will all of the other majors turn their backs on props as well? Any truth to the rumor that American Eagle is getting rid of all of their props? What about ASA, Skywest, Mesaba, etc?

I can't help but think there are many markets that simply cannot be profitably served with an RJ....for example, CO announced they are dropping VCT and ILE, which had been props then became RJs.


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5948 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2685 times:

I heard recently on this forum that Chicago Express is looking to upgrade to jets... when times get better.

I agree with Gant- there has to be somewhere that you can profitably serve with a prop, but not a jet. Especially when you take into account the inherent fuel INefficiency of the jet engine... Sure, they're better now-a-days, but not like props.

R


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11154 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2675 times:

Not all regional carriers are going to become all jet. However some are.

Air Wisconsin is going to phase out all of it's Dornier 328s. Skywest intends to do the same with it's EMB-120s.

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2660 times:

There are some smaller markets, especially in the Rockies, that demand turboprop service as jet aircraft (except maybe the BAe-146/Avro RJ), hence you will see some props still around. Props are also more better suited on lighter-capacity routes where even a 35 seat RJ might not be able to make money.

Jeff


User currently offlineDoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3443 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2634 times:

I wouldn't be surpised to see the brand name regionals go all jet (as CoEx did), with more making agreements with Bigsky type airlines for smaller communities


When in doubt, one B pump off
User currently offlineScootertrash From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 569 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2631 times:

I think Turboprops will see greater use in Europe, where there appears to be a little less of a stigma attached to them. Here in the United States, customers want a jet (preferably a 777 with all first class config.) on all of there flights. In fact, I have seen cases where people will actually drive two (or more) hours just to avoid flying on a turboprop.

T-prop service will continue, but it will be fairly limited in the future unless the public's perception can be changed.


User currently offlineWilliam From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2629 times:

I think the rush to be all "jet" regionals have subsided. Regionals,such as AE are finding out those paid for Saabs are cash cows,and are much more efficient in the 150nm range than any RJ. Thats the reason COEX had to drop some cities,were not profitable for them to fly them at such ranges.......Economy is not helping either.

User currently offlinePositive rate From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 2143 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2588 times:

Here in Australia the turboprop is very dominant with the regional airlines. In fact the only regional jet that we have is the BA-146, Kendell used to operate the CRJ for a very short period of time but unfortunately when Ansett collapsed the CRJ's went with it. The Saab 340, Dash 8, EMB-110/120, J32, Metro 23 are the dominant types over here. I'd like to see more regional jets over here- CRJ's,EMB-145 etc. I wish.

User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5604 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2518 times:

Sunday, Continental Connection (Commutair) will restart Beech 1900D flights from CLE. 42 dailies to eleven cities by August. Turboprops are perfect (i.e. profitable) for some routes where even rj's are too big.


I love long German words like 'Freundschaftsbezeigungen'.
User currently offlineOversoldRJ From United States of America, joined Oct 2002, 2 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2512 times:

Well, in reference to ASA, we have been told that the EMB-120's will be retired by the end of this year. In fact, they will be out of the Atlanta system possibly as early as the end of April. They may hang on a little longer in the Dallas system however. Now the ATR's, those probably won't be going anywhere anytime soon, unfortunately.

User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2452 times:

BTW how many manufacturer make Turboprops nowadays? Maybe this is the answer to your question.....


User currently offlineAirbus Lover From Malaysia, joined Apr 2000, 3248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2433 times:

I can think of-

-Saab (still producing?)
-ATR
-Bombardier (Dash Q series)

There are many advantages of turboprops over RJs on short hops. Maybe someone can list them out?


User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2437 times:

Nope, SAAB isn´t producing anymore the 340 was profitable but the 2000 was a disaster money wise, but a good plane.....


User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 34
Reply 15, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2382 times:

KLM Cityhopper/UK are going all jet soon... most likely...

User currently offlineCloudy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2355 times:

I think Turboprops will see greater use in Europe, where there appears to be a little less of a stigma attached to them
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Yes, but I don't believe Europe has the same kind of scope clauses that restrict the growth of RJ operations here in the states.

Another thing about turboprops - they can use shorter runways. That is an advantage in many places. This may be why Miami still has many prop operations - prop planes find it easier to get into Carribean island airports.

Another place turboprops may have less stigma is in developing markets like China, India, Latin America, and Indochina. Here is where the larger turboprops may still find a market.


User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4031 posts, RR: 27
Reply 17, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2291 times:

There are many markets that will survice only with the use of turboprops. Which at any rate, have jet engines attatched ot those wings. They just turn props instead of fans. Mesaba is not going to be all jet - we are retiring saabs but have the last 340s off the assembly line and it has been said that we'll operate 45 saabs in the future. Cities like Thief River Falls, Bemidgi, Brainerd, St. Cloud in MN, Pierre and Watertown in, SD and all kinds of other small towns in that neck of the woods survive on air service. Should an RJ not be able to profitable serve those towns - an all jet airline would have to suspend service there, thus leaving the city without a vital link for goods and other services.

Yes, there will be a need for turboprops in the future of American aviation.


AZJ


User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2273 times:

Antonov is developing some nice, modern turboprops on proven technology.
Continental Connection (Gulfstream, CommutAir) both operate BE1s for Continental, but are partners, not wholly owned subsidiary like COEX.
-Transaero Boeing 737-200
PS: The Be1 continues to be the aircraft of choice for CommutAir, from CommutAir's site.



What now?
User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2255 times:

ASA has some new ATR-72 Aircraft. The N5__AS series aircraft are only a few years old.

User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2183 times:

ASA did recieve some newer ATR-72s a few years back that were ex-Mt. Cook Air aircraft, and were built in the mid-90s. I had read that ASA was going to keep the Brasilia around because some smaller cities they fly to are too small for an CRJ or an ATR-72; but with the 40 seat variants of the CRJ, that looks like the capacity problem is taken care of. I am honestly surprised that ASA has not gotten additional ATR-72s, since with them seating 66 pax, they don't run afoul of the Delta scope clause.

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