DeltaASA16 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2358 times:
Hey guys (and gals)
My airport is served entirely by turboprops. I continue to hear rumors that the feeder airlines are phasing them out! However, as some of you may know, ASA (DeltaConnection) is in the process of refurbishing their fleet of EMB-120 Brazilia turboprops... given them a new interior and Delta's New New paint job. Are the feeders really pushing toward all jet fleets?
Mitchell Gant From Montserrat, joined Aug 2000, 253 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2323 times:
Interesting topic. What do the major carriers have planned for their turboprop affiliates? Continental Express is now all jet, but will all of the other majors turn their backs on props as well? Any truth to the rumor that American Eagle is getting rid of all of their props? What about ASA, Skywest, Mesaba, etc?
I can't help but think there are many markets that simply cannot be profitably served with an RJ....for example, CO announced they are dropping VCT and ILE, which had been props then became RJs.
AA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5547 posts, RR: 11 Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2321 times:
I heard recently on this forum that Chicago Express is looking to upgrade to jets... when times get better.
I agree with Gant- there has to be somewhere that you can profitably serve with a prop, but not a jet. Especially when you take into account the inherent fuel INefficiency of the jet engine... Sure, they're better now-a-days, but not like props.
DeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8825 posts, RR: 12 Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2296 times:
There are some smaller markets, especially in the Rockies, that demand turboprop service as jet aircraft (except maybe the BAe-146/Avro RJ), hence you will see some props still around. Props are also more better suited on lighter-capacity routes where even a 35 seat RJ might not be able to make money.
Scootertrash From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 569 posts, RR: 9 Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2267 times:
I think Turboprops will see greater use in Europe, where there appears to be a little less of a stigma attached to them. Here in the United States, customers want a jet (preferably a 777 with all first class config.) on all of there flights. In fact, I have seen cases where people will actually drive two (or more) hours just to avoid flying on a turboprop.
T-prop service will continue, but it will be fairly limited in the future unless the public's perception can be changed.
William From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1207 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2265 times:
I think the rush to be all "jet" regionals have subsided. Regionals,such as AE are finding out those paid for Saabs are cash cows,and are much more efficient in the 150nm range than any RJ. Thats the reason COEX had to drop some cities,were not profitable for them to fly them at such ranges.......Economy is not helping either.
Positive rate From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 2143 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2224 times:
Here in Australia the turboprop is very dominant with the regional airlines. In fact the only regional jet that we have is the BA-146, Kendell used to operate the CRJ for a very short period of time but unfortunately when Ansett collapsed the CRJ's went with it. The Saab 340, Dash 8, EMB-110/120, J32, Metro 23 are the dominant types over here. I'd like to see more regional jets over here- CRJ's,EMB-145 etc. I wish.
MasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 4989 posts, RR: 7 Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2154 times:
Sunday, Continental Connection (Commutair) will restart Beech 1900D flights from CLE. 42 dailies to eleven cities by August. Turboprops are perfect (i.e. profitable) for some routes where even rj's are too big.
OversoldRJ From United States of America, joined Oct 2002, 2 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2148 times:
Well, in reference to ASA, we have been told that the EMB-120's will be retired by the end of this year. In fact, they will be out of the Atlanta system possibly as early as the end of April. They may hang on a little longer in the Dallas system however. Now the ATR's, those probably won't be going anywhere anytime soon, unfortunately.
Cloudy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1991 times:
I think Turboprops will see greater use in Europe, where there appears to be a little less of a stigma attached to them
Yes, but I don't believe Europe has the same kind of scope clauses that restrict the growth of RJ operations here in the states.
Another thing about turboprops - they can use shorter runways. That is an advantage in many places. This may be why Miami still has many prop operations - prop planes find it easier to get into Carribean island airports.
Another place turboprops may have less stigma is in developing markets like China, India, Latin America, and Indochina. Here is where the larger turboprops may still find a market.
Azjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3656 posts, RR: 29 Reply 17, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1927 times:
There are many markets that will survice only with the use of turboprops. Which at any rate, have jet engines attatched ot those wings. They just turn props instead of fans. Mesaba is not going to be all jet - we are retiring saabs but have the last 340s off the assembly line and it has been said that we'll operate 45 saabs in the future. Cities like Thief River Falls, Bemidgi, Brainerd, St. Cloud in MN, Pierre and Watertown in, SD and all kinds of other small towns in that neck of the woods survive on air service. Should an RJ not be able to profitable serve those towns - an all jet airline would have to suspend service there, thus leaving the city without a vital link for goods and other services.
Yes, there will be a need for turboprops in the future of American aviation.
UN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4288 posts, RR: 4 Reply 18, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1909 times:
Antonov is developing some nice, modern turboprops on proven technology.
Continental Connection (Gulfstream, CommutAir) both operate BE1s for Continental, but are partners, not wholly owned subsidiary like COEX.
-Transaero Boeing 737-200
PS: The Be1 continues to be the aircraft of choice for CommutAir, from CommutAir's site.
Srbmod From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 17298 posts, RR: 51 Reply 20, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1819 times:
ASA did recieve some newer ATR-72s a few years back that were ex-Mt. Cook Air aircraft, and were built in the mid-90s. I had read that ASA was going to keep the Brasilia around because some smaller cities they fly to are too small for an CRJ or an ATR-72; but with the 40 seat variants of the CRJ, that looks like the capacity problem is taken care of. I am honestly surprised that ASA has not gotten additional ATR-72s, since with them seating 66 pax, they don't run afoul of the Delta scope clause.