FlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6858 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4346 times:
764ERs aren't quite as big. Either 777, or increase in frequencies on smaller aircraft.
DL's 764ER's are actually bigger than the 777 because of the way DL configures them. 764's have a relatively small domestic F cabin and very large coach cabin and seat a total of 287 passengers. The 777's have a larger BE cabin and smaller coach cabin and they seat 277.
If DL configured the 777 the same way the 764 is configured, then indeed it would carry more passengers (300+). However, the 764's and 777's have different missions.
Srbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4156 times:
Delta brought the 767-400 into service as a replacement for the L-1011s, which once the 777s came in, were put onto domestic service until their retirement. With the 777 being Delta's primary international service a/c (along with the 767-300), once the MD-11s are retired, you may see 777s on the ATL-LAX route, at least until Delta TechOps has 777 trained MX staff in LAX. For the most part, ATL-LAX will be with 767-400s. You will not see the 767-400 on any flights longer than East Coast-West Coast, because the airline and their pilots cannot agree on crew rest areas on the a/c. I think that if Continental can do flights to Europe using the 767-400, why can't Delta get their act together with their pilots and start using them on Transatlantic flights as well?
Panamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5045 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4076 times:
You're not likely to see 777s on ATL-LAX for the forseeable future unless all international travel collapses due to the war or other reasons. DL only has 8 777s around and will not get any new ones until well into 2004. With the retirement of most of the MD11s, the 777s are needed for international flights and a few ATL-MCO runs. In addition, with the planned retirement of the last 3 MD11s in early 2004, ATL-NRT will have to be flown with the 777s (it will take up 3 of the 8 aircraft). Right now, for the summer schedule, ATL-LAX will have a combination of 767-300ERs, 767-300s, 767-400s, and a 757 or so. Some of the 763s will be the internationally-BizElite-configured a/c (these are the ones with flight numbers between 1 and 179 or between 1960 and 1999) while others will be domestic 763s (with F and Y cabins).
ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3904 times:
I think that if Continental can do flights to Europe using the 767-400, why can't Delta get their act together with their pilots and start using them on Transatlantic flights as well?
probably because DL never wanted to do that with them in the first place. The whole row between DL & DALPA was primarily because the latter would accept no less than BusinessElite seats for rest areas on flights longer than 7hr59min. Since DL had no intention of putting BizE seats in the 764ER, they chose to restrict the plane to flights shorter than that duration. The only route which suffered as a result was ATL-HNL, which had to be transferred to SLC
IndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3821 times:
DFW-HNL was another casualty.
IMO, I don't believe DL wished to fly ATL/DFW-HNL anymore. ATL-HNL is about the same distance as ATL-LAX-HNL and according to DL's internal research, many (most?) passengers felt the ATL-HNL flight was too long and preferred a stop at LAX/SFO anyway. It probably makes more sense to DL (including economically) to launch their Hawaii flights from the West.
Interestingly, DL’s presence in Hawaii continues to shrink while the other majors continue to grow. DL now operates only two LAX-HNL, one LAX-OGG, one SFO-HNL and one SLC-HNL flights.
HlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3815 times:
What about Delta's 764s and MD-11s on the MCO-ATL routes? What is the difference in configuration?
Last summer I was supposed to fly an MD-11 from ATL-MCO, but it was replaced by a 764. When I booked the flight there were only 3-4 seats left on the MD-11 a month ahead so it was probably full by the time I was to fly. There didn't seem to be any problems at the gate.