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User currently offlineWhalepilot From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 91 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 3299 times:

Rumor has it that on March 25, Boeing will announce that UPS will be the launch customer for the 777F. Has anyone else heard anything like this? The rumor does not specify which 777 variant, but supposedly UPS is to also announce a new paint scheme with a revised logo.

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User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 3259 times:

A few weeks ago their was some talk about this. Do a search, I recall it was a pretty big thread.

User currently offlineBlatantEcho From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1916 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 3252 times:

wasn't the 777F to be based on the 772LR?

I think that is what I had read and heard rumored.

George



They're not handing trophies out today
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 3206 times:

well, the current buzz from be bees is that the 777F will be a 90T+ freighter based on the 772LR airframe and engines.

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 4, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3144 times:

I guess UPS has been unable to acquire enough M11Fs.

Talk about a hodgepodge fleet... if it carries cargo, UPS flies it.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

This really baffles me... as has been mentioned before, 772LRs and 773ERs are the most expensive airframes Boeing sells. UPS must be doing very well if they're gonna shell out the money for this aircraft.

On the other hand, its very exciting for the next generation 777 program...

Airbus needs to come forward with an alternative - they've been biding their time riding on the sucess of the A300F4-600R. Either the A340-500 or A340-600 will make a fine freighter.

N


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3108 times:

Airbus is supposedly concentrating on an 330-based freighter.... no mention of a A340F. One thing's for sure... certainly wouldnt be based on an A343 should they do so :p

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3104 times:

There is much talk of a completely ready for launch A330-200F.

Problem is - it'd be limited to a payload of about 65-70t. Hardly an effective competitor, but more than a match for the poor 767-300F


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3097 times:

exactly.

Problem with an A345F as opposed to a 772LRF is that the carrier would be paying a lot more just for the weight of the airframe, as opposed to addtional cargo weight.... remains to be seen whether the A345's higher interior volume could compensate.

Add to that less capable performance than the 777, and you dont have much of a winning situation  Sad


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 8, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3094 times:

Hah the fractionally less capable performance...

...and as we know, cargo haulers don't worry so much about individual airframe performance due to the high dollar density of their cargo.

N


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3085 times:

I wouldnt call 500mi range and 18ton cargo capability "fractional".... that's basically the difference between the 744AF and 744ERF as well!!!

User currently offlineJvW From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (11 years 7 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2850 times:

Well, the B747s and DC8s are about to be phased out over the long term future; a replacement is needed in order to fill the gaps. UPS did a great job in getting both the B767F and B757F programs started why not do the same with the B777-ERF, which would be perfect. I heard the same rumors about the new aircraft here in Louisville, a good friend of mine will actually be at the ceremony @ SDF and and more rumors call for one of UPS aircraft flying into SDF @ 9am (25th) with their new colors. Not quite sure how much weight this has. Same with the logo and the uniforms, all will be updated. I will be @ SDF next Tuesday morning for sure.

JvW


User currently offlineUnited777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (11 years 7 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2833 times:

I've heard EK is also in serious talks with Boeing to convert there 772 aircraft to 772F aircraft.

User currently offline777d From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 300 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (11 years 7 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2817 times:

As mentioned above with the phasing out of the 727 and 747, is UPS planning on running a 2 engine fleet with a few MD11s interspersed?

I assume the DC-8s are gone or leaving soon?







User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3427 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (11 years 7 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2809 times:

I dont think the 727's are leaving soon, didn't they just fit them with new cockpits so they should be good for a while. Anyway they need a good plane like that to carry smaller loads rather than using 757's and 767's on those routes.

User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 7 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2777 times:

UPS wasn't the major parcel carrier buying up the MD-11s. FedEx was buying (or had agreed to buy a large number of MD-11s from passenger airlines); UPS was buying them as well, but just not in the numbers FedEx was. This decision may be a long-term financial decision, because it may be cheaper for them to get new-build a/c than to get older a/c that are passenger versions, and then pay to have the conversions done.

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 15, posted (11 years 7 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2663 times:

I think no matter how you slice it, buying a used frame and converting it will be much cheaper than any derivative freighter based on one of Boeing's most expensive aircraft.

N


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 7 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2653 times:

no doubt they'd get rather spectacular pricing for launching the model... assuming they do.

EK and LH-Cargo (yep, you heard me right-- LH!) have also expressed high interest in a 777LRF


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 17, posted (11 years 7 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2659 times:

I wonder what it will do to Boeing's ability to place new aircraft if EK starts selling off all their Trent 892 powered planes so that they can pursue a GE-powered strategy?

N


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 7 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2649 times:

well, for one thing, EK's 772ERs are powered by the Trent890 (as opposed to what the incredibly incorrect 777 census depicts) and there are a number of carriers with Trent892-powered 773As that might like some.

Either that, or EK might keep the 773As as GE does not currently offer an engine for the 773A.... not to say that they wont put one on the table [again] though.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 19, posted (11 years 7 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2647 times:

There's no technical reason the GE90-94B can't power a 773A very capably. It would merely need certification.

If they start packing on 773ERs, I could see them discarding the 773As.

N


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 7 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2639 times:

of course there's no reason... GE did in the past offer the GE90-90B/92B for 773As, but no customer chose them and the offer was later withdrawn.

I could see EK operating 773As even after purchasing 773NGs as the former could most likely operate to central and Asia (in particular, India) and Europe more efficiently than its more powerful sister. That, and they could retain their sardine-can configuration while the 773ERs are configured in a more ergonomically pleasing manner.


User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 7 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2641 times:

This is the first I've heard of a UPS 777F launch order. However I know that Emirates has put some pressure on Boeing to develop a 777F. Maybe these two carriers together can generate enough of a business case for Boeing to do just that.

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 22, posted (11 years 7 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2615 times:

Concordeboy-

Or, they could use the increased MTOW of the 773ER to pack absolutely as many pax as the certification authority will allow AND carry even more cargo in the hold.

Hmm?  Big grin

N


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (11 years 7 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2602 times:

Touche'!  Laugh out loud:D

~*filler*~


User currently offlineLanPeru From Peru, joined Jun 2001, 645 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (11 years 7 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2580 times:

I would still like to see a 777M (combi) it can be based on the 772LR frame but with the whole combi config. It would be cool, maybe more airlines would see it attractive.

25 ConcordeBoy : doubt it... Combi's are difficult to successfully operate as a carrier has to carefully balance the economics and operating factors of Cargo and Pax o
26 Yyz717 : doubt it... Combi's are difficult to successfully operate as a carrier has to carefully balance the economics and operating factors of Cargo and Pax o
27 Gigneil : Hmmm.... isn't the FAA violently opposed to cargo and pax on the same deck these days? N
28 Sllevin : The trouble with UPS acquiring used 90 ton freighters is that the availability of MD-11's simply isn't there. In addition, right now, when one can get
29 Whalepilot : Sllevin, this whole topic is about UPS purchasing NEW 777 freighters, not more USED MD-11s.
30 Gigneil : Hmm... no I said that I thought it was stupid that they were buying new planes not used planes, and I think he was responding to me. They could get 74
31 Yyz717 : UPS has a very strong balance sheet.....they can easily afford new cargo aircraft. Also, with their increased focus on time delivery commitments (a la
32 Spacepope : What is the status of the UPS 741 fleet? It was reported on here that 2 were to be permanantly parked at ROW, unless they were to be called up for CRA
33 ConcordeBoy : One thing about the 772LR program is that Boeing has repeatedly offered to speed it up should a carrier desire. UPS could actually launch the airframe
34 Browntailwhale : To answer an above question, the current lineup of UPS 747-100s are as follows: N672UP, N673UP, N675UP, N676UP, N677UP, N680UP, N681UP, N682UP, N683UP
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