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How Come EK Isn't In US Yet?  
User currently offlineUnited777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3151 times:

Emirates was founded in 1985 and the airline is the no doubt the fastest growing airline in the world and has one of the best and youngest fleets in the world. They have a very good route network to Europe and South Asia and is expanding quickly the Far East and Australia.

I just was just wondering how come EK has not yet start flights to US or Canada yet? I know they are going to start non-stop flights to San Francisco and other US cities non-stop from DXB with Airbus A345's. How come EK has not yet start flights to North America via Europe or Asia with there Boeing 772. I think EK should have started routes to North America a long time ago until they start non-stop flights.

Malaysia Airlines flew non-stop from DXB to EWR with 772ER so there is a market now and a plane capable of flying the route to US.

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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3129 times:

Because got real problems with EK with the delayed nonstop from DXB-JFK few months ago and it's won't not flying out there for while and will be used fly out on 2004 and not for this year. Please be patient until to hear from Emirates777 into the posted. Thanks!!!

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3105 times:

EK's 772ERs are too weak to make it to the USA nonstop with any decent load. MH's birds pack 4,000lbs more thrust and also accept a payload penalty that EK will not tolerate.

Why they never chose to route via Europe in the meantime is beyond me as well. They basically could get an opening at all the superhubs except LHR/LGW


User currently offlineAirbus Lover From Malaysia, joined Apr 2000, 3248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3098 times:

EK was reluctant to allow weight restrictions on their flights to JFK/EWR nonstop like that of MH if to be operated by the B772ER.

MH still flies this route uptil now 3x weekly and is upgrading it to 6x. But the looming crisis in the ME, they said they could well be changing the stopover city to a european one.


User currently offlineOdiE From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3074 times:

Seriously, with the tension between the Middle East and America, are there any passengers on the EWR-DXB v.v. run? One might argue that there are passengers traveling from South Asia (e.g. India, Pakistan etc.), but if they route it via Europe, they will get passengers from Europe as well as from South Asia as well, with the latter being routed via Malaysia instead of Dubai. How about routing it with other Asian cities such as ICN/NRT/TPE (provided they have fifth freedom rights at these cities). Heard from another member that there are talks between Swiss Airport operator and MAS to fly KUL-ZRH/GVA-EWR/JFK. How are they progressing on that one?

User currently offlineFly_emirates From United Arab Emirates, joined Oct 2000, 1046 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3062 times:

well, we where supposed to operate to JFK and ORD, however bush's administration insisting on the war, made the airline postpond the whole USA thing, and put the new airplanes on Australian and other destinations routes


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16307 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3050 times:

Aren't the coming 345's sked for JFK service sometime in the next 12 mos?




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 7, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3028 times:

Yyz717 - In a nutshell, yes. JFK first, then San Francisco of all places.

The A345s have been delayed, but honestly, I bet Emirates is happy that they are. The situation is hardly conducive to launching bicoastal US-Middle East services.

N


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16307 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3011 times:

SFO for EK? That makes no commercial sense.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 9, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3001 times:

No, but its the plan. They're delaying ORD and one other I forget which and going with SFO.

N


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16307 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2996 times:

Perhaps its DTW, due to the large Arab population there.

Neil.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineUnited777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2997 times:

I think SFO is the biggest surprise for EK to fly to first. But I think DXB-SFO-DXB is mainly for passengers flying to South Asian countries such as Pakistan and India. Emirates serves all major international airports in Pakistan and India except Bangalore which I am sure will change soon. It would be great to fly EK to fly non-stop from SFO and DXB take a transit and DXB and fly anywhere in South Asia.

Right now people going to India from the west coast US usually fly though Asia and DXB will be a whole new option with one-stop service to Lahore, Karachi, Penshwar, Delhi, Mumbai, Chennai, Hyderabad, Dhaka, Colombo and even Male.

It will be intresting to see when SQ starts non-stop flights to US west coast from SIN. Two airline will offer one-stop flights to India and Pakistan.

Whenever I fly to India from Seattle I always have to fly to YVR, SFO or LAX or even fly non-stop to NRT from SEA then take at least two more stops in NRT, ICN, SIN, KUL than in India have to transit in DEL, BOM or MAA.

I think SQ does have an advantage over EK for a while as it is starting flights to Bangalore with 7772s in May. Most people who live in San Francisco for IT work are from Bangalore.


User currently offlineAirzim From Zimbabwe, joined Jun 2001, 1215 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2982 times:

EK also was delayed because of security clerance to the US.

In addition, the Airbus delivery was delayed, not sure why.

SFO is mostly going for the Indian/Pakistani Bay Area traffic.

The large Arab population in DTW is Lebanese so it doesn't make much sense to fly down to DXB then backtrack to BEY.

Keep in mind EK is a for profit operation, if it doesn't make commercial sense they will postpone it.



User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3015 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2978 times:

A fully loaded Emirates 772ER can't make 5951nm? That's the great circle distance DXB-JFK. Doesn't really seem that long.

Although, as others have pointed out, now is not really a good time to start such service.



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 14, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2946 times:

Its not that it can't... its that it can't year round without huge payload restrictions.

MH has taught EK a lesson on this one... since EK does the ground handling for MH at DXB they're aware of the restrictions on each flight.

N


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2937 times:

EK does not fly to the US as their regulatory authority has not been assesed as Category 1 oversight by the FAA yet. Until that time, they will not be permitted to commence US operations.

User currently offlineLucifer From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2837 times:

Plus hot and heavy conditions in Dubai make it impossible to get thzt stated range year round.

User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2796 times:

I had read that Toronto was on the list to be started between 2004-2006...anyone know anything about that?? I would think that JFK, YYZ, YUL, and ORD would come before SFO of all places...


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User currently onlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19236 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2789 times:

On a different note, GF used to operate (roughly around 1995) a couple flights per week from AUH and BAH to JFK via LCA using their A340s. At least one flight per week continued onto IAH from JFK.


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User currently offlineDC-10 Levo From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 3432 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2785 times:

EK should fly DXB-LHR-JFK. Or DXB-MAN-JFK. That way they could use the A330 and do a refueling stop at MAN then fly to JFK.

DC-10


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2701 times:

EK should fly DXB-LHR-JFK

Yeah, why let a little thing like Bermuda-2 stop them?!  Insane


User currently offlineUnited777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2655 times:

Does EK have a code-share partner or alliance with any airline in the US?

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33038 posts, RR: 71
Reply 22, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2646 times:

EK should fly DXB-LHR-JFK

Yeah, why let a little thing like Bermuda-2 stop them?!


Because it wouldn't. Bermuda 2 only applies to US/UK carriers. Kuwait Airlines, Air India, and Air New Zealand all offer US-LHR services. Of course, it would still be hard, in fact, damn near impossible, for them to secure US-LHR rights, but BII wouldn't stop them, AFAIK.



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2641 times:

They'd have to put up a d@mn good arguement and devote much of their slots to doing it if granted, and the USA airlines would raise hell. Seriously doubt it'd happen.

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