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User currently offlineDanialanwar From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 421 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 4045 times:

From SQ's website:

· All services to Brussels and Madrid will be suspended from 30 March to 31 May 2003.
· Frankfurt will be reduced from 14 per week to 12 per week between 6 April and 31 May 2003.
· Manchester will be reduced from seven to six per week from 7 April to 31 May 2003.
· Amsterdam will be reduced from seven to five per week from 9 April to 31 May 2003.
· All services to Las Vegas and Chicago will be suspended from 7 April to 31 May 2003.
· San Francisco will be reduced from 14 to ten per week from 9 April to 31 May 2003.
· Los Angeles will be reduced from 14 to 12 per week from 7 April to 31 May 2003.
· New York will be reduced from 11 to nine per week from 6 April to 31 May 2003.
· Seoul will be reduced from 22 to 20 per week from 9 April to 31 May 2003.
· Hong Kong will be reduced from 41 to 33 per week from 9 April to 31 May 2003.
· Nagoya will be reduced from seven to five per week from 8 April to 31 May 2003.
· Fukuoka will be reduced from seven to five per week from 1 April to 31 May 2003.
· Hiroshima will be reduced from four to two per week from 1 April to 31 May 2003.
· Taipei will be reduced from 20 to 16 per week from 1 April to 31 May 2003.
· Kaohsiung will be reduced from three to two per week from 1 April to 31 May 2003.
· Jakarta will be reduced from 49 to 42 per week from 1 April to 31 May 2003.
· Denpasar-Bali will be reduced from 28 to 21 per week from 1 April to 31 May 2003.
· Surabaya will be reduced from nine to seven per week from 1 April to 31 May 2003.
· Kuala Lumpur will be reduced from 49 to 42 per week with the withdrawal of one daily flight from 24 March.
· All services to Mauritius will be suspended from 15 April until 31 May 2003.
· Dhaka will be reduced from seven to five per week from 7 April until 31 May 2003.

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User currently offlineDocpepz From Singapore, joined May 2001, 1971 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 3989 times:

Why such drastic measures? surely it's not just SOLELY cos of the Iraq war! Especially the Japan flights.

User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13744 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week ago) and read 3878 times:

This is very serious.

Mr. Koh Boon Hwee said of SIA's reaction to 11 September 2001, that SIA looked "like the boy who cried wolf", referring to the service cuts and aircraft deferrments.

As shocking as it seems, I comment, is SIA doing the same again?

I think we all hope not.

"They are managing capacity down so that the load factors remain fairly profitable. This is a similar sort of strategy to what they did in the post 9-11 environment and it accommodated an anticipated drop in traffic," said John Casey, airline analyst at DBS Vickers Securities

This is about 8% of total capacity and would be 9% of revenue lost in FY0304.

"The implementation of a war surcharge on cargo will enhance revenues," said Casey.



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User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13744 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week ago) and read 3865 times:

What did surprise me was the Las Vegas flights being cut.

"Singapore Airlines, which introduced nonstop service between Hong Kong and Las Vegas last summer, has no plans for service reductions, but spokesman James Boyd said the situation is being closely monitored.

James Boyd said the airline already has begun attempting to form new alliances with Strip properties for package deals that would encourage tourism from Southeast Asia. He said the pre-emptive move is not an indication that demand is weak, although Asian tourists traditionally have shown the most caution about traveling in times of turmoil."

Las Vegas Sun .com



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User currently offlineEx_SQer From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1436 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (11 years 7 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3804 times:

And is this the same James Boyd who told the press soon after the SQ6 incident that there were no reports of casualties....?

Pretty drastic measures, and I certainly hope they'er not crying wolf, but most of them don't come as a surprise. They are either (1) tourist/leisure-reliant routes (2) routes that are stuggling with loads (3) unprofitable routes or (4) routes to cities vulnerable to lower traffic in the event of war. In any case, April and May are generally very weak months for passenger traffic.



User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13744 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (11 years 7 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3794 times:

Yes, this is the same James Boyd who soon after the tragic accident in question said there were no fatalities. However, he was being informed via the Taiwanese authorities on the ground at Chiang Kai Shek International Airport.

Anyway, I wonder if there are also aircraft changes. Maybe the A340-300s will be used more.



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User currently offlineEx_SQer From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1436 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (11 years 7 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3781 times:

Sorry, but I wouldn't give too much credence to this guy's statements. He shouldn't have said what he said re: SQ6.

SQ is pretty short of 777 pilots, so this should give them some temporary breathing space.


User currently offlineApuneger From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 3032 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (11 years 7 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3767 times:

All services to Brussels and Madrid will be suspended from 30 March to 31 May 2003.

Damn...Let's hope it's not true

Ivan



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User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13744 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (11 years 7 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3748 times:

What can I say? It's true.  Sad


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User currently offlineUnited777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3738 times:

Suspending and reducing flights all over the world except India. Could we say India is SQ's biggest market now?

User currently offlineBIK From New Zealand, joined Mar 2003, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (11 years 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3727 times:

SQ is also not reducing or cutting services to Aus/NZ.



User currently offlineUnited777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (11 years 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3720 times:

Yea India, Australia and New Zealand. Are there any flight changes expected there soon?

User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13744 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (11 years 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3722 times:

Well no.

SIA is not cutting France, the UK, among others.

India is a fantastic market for Singapore Airlines as they can charge overly-high fares out of India because of what I presume is a non-official SIA/Air India cartel running.

Marvellous.



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User currently offlineEx_SQer From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1436 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (11 years 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3712 times:

India is a fantastic market for Singapore Airlines as they can charge overly-high fares out of India because of what I presume is a non-official SIA/Air India cartel running.

Oh dear. Please refrain from making such irresponsible speculative statements. Price fixing and cartel pricing - even "non-offical" - is illegal.

FYI, India is a high volume market and SIA enjoys good yields there. SIA has a solid brand name and they are in a position to charge premium fares in India in accordance to market demand. It is not unusual for SQ to have full P/J classes to/from BOM and DEL. The fares are market-driven.


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13744 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (11 years 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3705 times:

Well yes but there have been numerous reports about how a duopoly obviously benefits both SIA and Air India.


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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 7 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3667 times:

Nooo!!!!!!! Not HKG-LAS  Sad  Sad

User currently offlineAirzim From Zimbabwe, joined Jun 2001, 1215 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (11 years 7 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3666 times:

They got a double whammy this week. The more immediate problem is not the war, it is the Asian flu. Traffic has plummented to HKG, BKK, TPE, and SGN. I would guess that the Asian services are mostly affected by that, including LAS services.

TG, CX, CI and others are seeing the same traffic problems.


User currently offlineEx_SQer From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1436 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (11 years 7 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3638 times:

S_Air: Duopoly does not equate cartel. There is no collaborative price fixing going on. Rather, SQ is capturing consumer surplus (ie what people are really willing to pay for SQ's premium service) and they'd be foolish not to in this situation. Obviously, having few competitors does help. In any case, SIN-India is strictly not an SQ-AI duopoly because IC also offers significant capacity to both MAA and DEL.

User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13744 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (11 years 7 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3626 times:

Ex_SQer: That's what I meant but officially it isn't a cartel. But really, Air India has more or less the same fares as Singapore Airlines doesn't it?

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Singapore Airlines, which inaugurated nonstop service between Las Vegas and Hong Kong last summer, will suspend its twice-a-week flights for two months beginning in April because of low demand anticipated with the outbreak of war in Iraq.

In the meantime, Singapore's move suspending Las Vegas flights caught tourism officials and executives at McCarran International Airport by surprise.

"We're disappointed," said Rob Powers, a spokesman for LVCVA. "This pretty much caught us by surprise. We're confident it will be a temporary situation because the partnership between Las Vegas and Singapore Airlines is a good one and will continue to work."

"It came as a complete surprise to us," added Grey.

Representatives of Singapore Airlines said today that it is suspending 65 weekly flights, including all of its service to Las Vegas and Chicago, due to "softening demand" from the war.

Singapore spokesman James Boyd said the airline's current plan is to suspend the flights from April 7 through May 31. That means the last nonstop flight from Hong Kong would arrive in Las Vegas April 7 because of the schedule.

Boyd said that plan could change, depending on what occurs in Iraq.

Singapore began Boeing 777 service from Hong Kong in August, bringing an average 285 seats per flight to the Las Vegas market. While Singapore officials said they were working to increase demand in the market, especially for Nevadans traveling to Southeast Asia, they have been satisfied with the number of seats sold on the route.
----

Las Vegas Sun .com



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User currently offlineEx_SQer From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1436 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (11 years 7 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3608 times:

S_Air: We are splitting hairs over the same issue.

It is not uncommon for dominant carriers on any route to match each other's fares. For the most part this type of pricing is legal, market driven, and economically rational (even if the fares are high). A cartel - "official" or "unofficial" - usually implies illegal, non-market driven and economically irrational pricing, because the players involved collaborate to keep prices artificially high. There is a difference.

If SQ and AI's fares were really priced beyond the market, then people will either not fly (travel is almost always a discretionary purchase) or they would defect en masse to IC or fly indirect with MH or TG, but that hasn't happened.

The bottom line is that SQ and AI's fares may be high, but this is not cartel pricing in any recognizable way, shape, or form.


User currently offlineRupertvander82 From France, joined Dec 2002, 411 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (11 years 7 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3601 times:

They are reducing so many destinations?

This is rather insane. They are just overly obessed with profits!


User currently offlineBusinessflyer From Singapore, joined Aug 2001, 288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (11 years 7 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3563 times:

Ex-SQer....

Don't forget that in Singapore there is no general competition law. Therefore, a cartel involving one or more Singapore company would not technically be illegal.

Admittedly SQ does charge very high fares in and out of India, but this is a function of high demand between SG and India and relatively constrained demand. In particular, Singaporeans just will not fly Air India... so it remains a captive market. But you are right... I don't think this is a deliberate policy. It is the same around the world where there is limited competition between cities.


User currently offlineEx_SQer From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1436 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (11 years 7 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3545 times:

Businessflyer:

Ah, I forget about Singapore's laws on competition/antitrust. In any case, Indians themselves prefer to fly SQ for various reasons (perceived better service, class consciousness, etc). I remember when I was at SIN I had to deal with long waitlists for P/J, and people whining about having to sit with "poor people" (I kid you not) in Y.

So, with less SQ flights to KUL will you be less likely to mistake SQ B777s for MH A330s?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


Rupertvander82:
I'm not saying that SIA isn't overreacting, but this situation is nothing short of a crisis. SIA no longer has a ridiculous cash buffer, and it makes sense to conserve cash rather than bleed red ink during the traditionally weak months of April/May. In any case, they are short of mechanics and 777 pilots, and aircraft utilization is very high at the moment. This should give them some operational breathing space.


User currently offline9V-SVA From Singapore, joined Aug 2001, 1860 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (11 years 7 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3521 times:

Not surprised. Tourist destinations in Europe such as Athens, Copenhagen and Rome are not suspended while Brussels is suspended? Rather wierd if you ask me as Brussels is served by B744s and the former three are done by B777 aircraft. Since they are short of B777 crew, first priority would be to suspend the leisure routes although they do earn money, no one from Asia would want to travel now due to the war and that stupid flu bug.

Rupertvander82, SIA is not that obsessed with profits, just that their reserves weren't the amount it used to be before 9-11. It also does have passenger safety at hand. What if an SIA B744 was forced to land in Iraq? Would you want that?

9V-SVA



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User currently offlineOdiE From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (11 years 7 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3518 times:

MAS is also reducing its flight into Singapore, but all of its flight is going to be operated by the brand new A332s. MAS will fly 7 times a day using A332s where as SIA will fly 6 times a day using B772s (after July). However, there are no flights out from Singapore to Kuala Lumpur after 9 p.m. How are passengers from Australia/New Zealand/Asian cities going to connect to KUL when their flight arrives after 8:15 p.m. (45 minutes for the minimum transfer) and not to mention the long transfer for passengers en-route to cities with early morning departure e.g. to Seoul, Nagoya, Fukuoka, South Africa, Shanghai etc.

This might be off-topic, but MAS seems to be reducing a small fraction of their capacity. Only two flights will be canceled and that is only for the forthcoming week. Are they really doing that well?


25 Post contains images Businessflyer : Ex-SQer... Maybe... but when you are tired on a Friday night, it is amazing how one airline pretty much starts to look like another ! Expecially when
26 Post contains images Ex_SQer : Limited financial disclosure is right on, BusinessFlyer. Every time I scan through the financial statements there will be at least one item that'll su
27 Rupertvander82 : I am just shocked that SIA will drop destinations like Chicago, Las Vegas, Madrid and Brussels so quickly, it seems rather insane to me! But I had no
28 Shortfinals : Odie, The problem you mention about not being able to connect to KUL after arriving from Australia always causes me grief. The solution is MH645 depar
29 9V-SPK : Aussie and Kiwi routes are always high-demand. Not suspending these routes are not really uncommon. What makes me feel strange is that all suspensions
30 Singapore_Air : It should be noted that a lot of airlines have not cut capacity as much as Singapore Airlines have. I concurr with 9V-SPK's reasoning. Also, Singapore
31 Singapore_Air : Singapore Air Says Fuel Bill Will Rise Because Of War SINGAPORE (Dow Jones)--Singapore Airlines Ltd. (P.SAL) said Thursday longer flight routes to Eur
32 Post contains images Flying Belgian : I was very shocked when I read that on another website !!! I thought they were laughing ! I'm very sad to see that BRU is dropped. Our only 744 pax Is
33 Airbus Lover : Was at KUL today and according to the flight info TV, MH flight to PEK was cancelled and the flight to ICN was too. Strange.
34 Post contains images Apuneger : Better start taking a lot of SQ pics I guess... Ivan
35 Hkg82 : I did not expect SQ to cut THAT many flights, but they are necessary in order to maintain profitability (SQ relies heavily on fifth freedom traffic) &
36 An882 : I was booked to fly BNE SIN MRU early may. SQ are accommodating us on MK from SIN to MRU so all is not lost. The flight times are actually better than
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